Suicide

[vealesy]

and im done here, finally on a laptop.

Unsubscribing.

Got something to say to me? PM.

 

[vealesy]

Drugs are for the weak of mind and character

So, basically, every single person on this planet is weak of mind?

I actually agree with that.

Choose Life.

 

[mellowyellow]

So, basically, every single person on this planet is weak of mind?

I actually agree with that.

Choose Life.

I'm just engaging in the same blinkered thinking that you are fond of adopting

Liberating

 

[Hand]

its pointless

When you sit down all day and think about it thoroughly, yes it may feel that way, but you've been put on this earth for a reason, and therefore should embrace life. It gets ****ing tough at times, I understand, but if you learn to escape from that 'depressing comfort zone' and gradually train yourself back into that positive mindframe, you'll start to feel a lot better with time. Making good lifestyle choices will speed up the process.

Keep yourself busy and distracted, you won't have time to think in such a negative way. Trust me.

 

[Brad Goodman]

In the end I think life ultimately is pointless, but you can do some awesome stuff while you're alive so might as well make the most of it.

 

[Tex_21]

In the end I think life ultimately is pointless

This x a million. There is no meaning to life people. You live, you die. Fill the in between in with whatever.

I've thought about doing myself in a few times, tried it once while pissed, to no great success. Preferred to cause large amounts of physical pain to myself, it's probably the best emotional release there is - run til you spew, crack a whip across yourself, punch yourself in the face* etc. Feelsgoodman.jpg




*don't do this, because you get a black eye then people ask questions.

 

[campbell]

That's true of a lot of stuff. Most of the time you can't get a doctor's certificate for a cold without them throwing antibiotics at you. It's unfortunately the nature of modern medicine and malpractice that overdiagnosis is preferable to underdiagnosis.

People who are misdiagnosed as depressed tend not to kill themselves though.

Is that right? Where do you glean that bit of information from?

 

[Caesar]

Is that right? Where do you glean that bit of information from?

You usually need to be depressed in order to have the required mindset to want to kill yourself, do you not?

 

[campbell]

You usually need to be depressed in order to have the required mindset to want to kill yourself, do you not?

I beg to differ.

Alcohol and a reaction to something at the time does cause suicide.Sad but true.

 

[mellowyellow]

You usually need to be depressed in order to have the required mindset to want to kill yourself, do you not?

People with an incurable and intolerable illness and who have no current history of depression fall into this category

 

[Ed_Gein]

Thisssssss, might have been worth a thread on its on. But i'll post it in here instead....... The effects of bullying.



Although she did kind of sleep with a guy when she knew he had a gf already. I guess in some ways she should take responsibility for that.....

 

[Deddy]

This is like the story you posted Ed_Gein, but this was the first and original and has had lots similar made to it. Sad story.

 

[brett15]

People who commit suicide have zero sympathy from me, can't handle their problems so they throw all their burden on the loved ones left behind. Rot.

That just shows you don't understand depression or anxiety and the devastating effects it has on the individual. Until you go through it yourself you will never know what it's like and your passing judgment based on rational thinking, and that's the key problem, depression sufferers aren't rational, it's an emotional and soul destroying experience.

Try walking in the shoes of someone whose spent every day for many years feeling gut wrenching emotional pain, and to sum it up in way you may understand, think of how you would feel just after Carlton lost a grand final to Collingwood or Hawthorn, and now imagine that's how you are going to feel every single day for years to come.

I have nothing but respect for people who suicide, it's said it's the most selfish act one can do, but it's a catch 22, those around them are being just as selfish by wanting them to live a life they hate by asking them to endure an emotional jail cell they can't escape.

By the way, my girlfriend who suffered from manic depression died a few weeks ago by an accidental (but possibly deliberate) overdose of alcohol. I don't begrudge or hold any ill feelings towards her, just sadness she couldn't hold on any longer and that she had long been past her breaking point.

 

[bunsen burner]

Right, who's missing from the thread? Who has gone and topped themselves?

 

[brett15]

You usually need to be depressed in order to have the required mindset to want to kill yourself, do you not?

not necessarily, but depression and anxiety do go hand in hand with suicide, particularly for those who never develop the coping skills to learn how to manage it.

The loss of a loved one ie.. Romeo & Juliet, wouldn't fall under the category of depression, and likewise for a crime lord shooting himself in the head before the cops bust the door down and send him to prison for life.

And as already mentioned above by Campbell, drugs, alcohol and other illicit stuff can put people in an unstable mindset that wouldn't be related to suicidal depression, but it should be noted at the same time that the misuse of drugs/alcohol can lead to an onset of depression. Marijuana in particular can cause schizophrenia.

 

[campbell]

not necessarily, but depression and anxiety do go hand in hand with suicide, particularly for those who never develop the coping skills to learn how to manage it.

The loss of a loved one ie.. Romeo & Juliet, wouldn't fall under the category of depression, and likewise for a crime lord shooting himself in the head before the cops bust the door down and send him to prison for life.

And as already mentioned above by Campbell, drugs, alcohol and other illicit stuff can put people in an unstable mindset that wouldn't be related to suicidal depression, but it should be noted at the same time that the misuse of drugs/alcohol can lead to an onset of depression. Marijuana in particular can cause schizophrenia.

exactly.

also alcohol, fight with gf or something can often lead to suicide. ie reacting in the heat of the moment.
have been in investigations after suicides, and so often its drug or alcohol and a reactionary thing. sad sad to see.

 

[Ghostwriter]

Another video
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/93036/The_suicide_forest_of_Japan/

 

[brett15]

When you sit down all day and think about it thoroughly, yes it may feel that way, but you've been put on this earth for a reason, and therefore should embrace life. It gets ******* tough at times, I understand, but if you learn to escape from that 'depressing comfort zone' and gradually train yourself back into that positive mindframe, you'll start to feel a lot better with time. Making good lifestyle choices will speed up the process.

Keep yourself busy and distracted, you won't have time to think in such a negative way. Trust me.

I thought like you did once, used hypnotherapy, imbedded positive thoughts and brought my self-esteem and confidence up to levels I never experienced before.

Then this year I was hit hard with severe major depression and anxiety, and was on the knifes edge of suicide. The positive thinking didn't work, the hypnotherapy relaxation cds I had in plethora didn't work, I played music and listened to music, that didn't work, I played team sports like basketball, that didn't work, I hit the gym pumped weights, changed my diet and could run 10kms losing 13kgs in the process and guess what, that didn't work either.

What most people don't realise is when certain types of depression hit you, it can be because your brain stops producing the required amount of serotonin that would normally make you feel happy and content.

You are partially correct, positive thinking, changing your attitude and perception is an important step forward, but if you have a chemical imbalance and your body stops producing the right serotonin levels then your going to fall into deep depression. This is why anti-depressants are prescribed, they hit the serotonin inhibitors, ie SSRI, SNRI, MAOI or TCAs; and help bring the levels back to normal.

So, medication (psychiatry) + positive thinking (psychology) can be used to overcome most types of depression, but there are some extreme manic cases like Borderline Personality Disorder, Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia which are on whole different level of complexity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin

 

[Hand]

What most people don't realise is when certain types of depression hit you, it can be because your brain stops producing the required amount of serotonin that would normally make you feel happy and content.

You are partially correct, positive thinking, changing your attitude and perception is an important step forward, but if you have a chemical imbalance and your body stops producing the right serotonin levels then your going to fall into deep depression. This is why anti-depressants are prescribed, they hit the serotonin inhibitors, ie SSRI, SNRI, MAOI or TCAs; and help bring the levels back to normal.

So, medication (psychiatry) + positive thinking (psychology) can be used to overcome most types of depression, but there are some extreme manic cases like Borderline Personality Disorder, Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia which are on whole different level of complexity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin

Great post.

I was desperate for help in February, and was prescribed Fluvoxamine, an anti-depressant. Been taking a fairly large dose on a daily basis ever since. Being depressed was such a hard thing to accept for me, but once I did, I got into the strategies I talked about in my last post. Along with those and taking Fluvoxamine, I've been seeing gradual results, and on this day feel content. Sure, it's not an immediate recovery. I have days occasionally where I feel like giving up on life, and find it tough to get out of my bed. But those days are becoming much less common, and I'm going to make sure I fix up my mental health, as I have a life to live.

 

[Catfish Alley]

That Amanda Todd video is very sad. That's a top story in the news here. She lived just a couple of suburbs away from me.

I'm very lucky that I've never really suffered from depression. It seems that it happens to a lot of people at high school age. I can understand how your world can seem so insular at that stage. If you can get through tough times, life moves on and evolves. Things that seemed so important to you can change into things that have no influence.

 

[Ed_Gein]

Another video
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/93036/The_suicide_forest_of_Japan/

I seen a documentry on that a while ago. IIRC, they tie rope to the entrance of the forest before they wander in so that if they change their mind they know how to get back. Terrible.

 

[brett15]

Great post.

I was desperate for help in February, and was prescribed Fluvoxamine, an anti-depressant. Been taking a fairly large dose on a daily basis ever since. Being depressed was such a hard thing to accept for me, but once I did, I got into the strategies I talked about in my last post. Along with those and taking Fluvoxamine, I've been seeing gradual results, and on this day feel content. Sure, it's not an immediate recovery. I have days occasionally where I feel like giving up on life, and find it tough to get out of my bed. But those days are becoming much less common, and I'm going to make sure I fix up my mental health, as I have a life to live.

Yep, I hear you, it's a journey of self-improvement and developing your coping skill set so you can manage it and intervene before an onset occurs. The bolded part is particularly important because only you can take the steps required to get better and 'wanting' to get better is critical, no one else can do it for you, your friends, family, professionals can only help as guides and support pillars.

I'm currently on Effexor 225mg (Venlafaxine) an SNRI and Seroquel 50mg for nights with a stash of diaz to help with any during the day anxiety. Fluvoxamine is an SSRI and in the same class as Zoloft which I was originally on and it was working really well. Unfortunately I ruined it's efficacy earlier this year by intoxicating myself with alcohol too many times, something I wasn't aware alcohol could do at that point, so I had to change over to a different med.

 

[vealesy]

Yep, I hear you, it's a journey of self-improvement and developing your coping skill set so you can manage it and intervene before an onset occurs. The bolded part is particularly important because only you can take the steps required to get better and 'wanting' to get better is critical, no one else can do it for you, your friends, family, professionals can only help as guides and support pillars.

I'm currently on Effexor 225mg (Venlafaxine) an SNRI and Seroquel 50mg for nights with a stash of diaz to help with any during the day anxiety. Fluvoxamine is an SSRI and in the same class as Zoloft which I was originally on and it was working really well. Unfortunately I ruined it's efficacy earlier this year by intoxicating myself with alcohol too many times, something I wasn't aware alcohol could do at that point, so I had to change over to a different med.

I think id rather be dead than have your mindset.

Your first paragraph was great talking about improving yourself. Then you throw all that out by admitting you are a drug addict.

Those pills may appear to make you feel better but they will never fix your problems mate. Youve been sucked in to the "mental health industry".

Good luck with that.

 

[Hand]

I think id rather be dead than have your mindset.

Your first paragraph was great talking about improving yourself. Then you throw all that out by admitting you are a drug addict.

Those pills may appear to make you feel better but they will never fix your problems mate. Youve been sucked in to the "mental health industry".

Good luck with that.

Of course it will fix his problems.

The last thing people need is advice from potheads like you.

 

[vealesy]

Of course it will fix his problems.

The last thing people need is advice from potheads like you.

Hahahaha.

Yeh like i said, good luck with that.