News Suns to ask for Pick 1 as a priority pick

[Blackas87]

I just don’t see the value in it if they aren’t still playing AFL standard football. It works fine for Hodge because that loose man role that doesn’t demand at lot of running still exists.

It worked for GWS with a Mcdonald, Cornes, and Power.

It worked for Melbourne with Cross

If you don’t see the value in it, you don’t see the value in leadership which is why you believe nothing is wrong with the Gold Coast leadership group. There is more to winning games of AFL than just talent.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

It worked for GWS with a Mcdonald, Cornes, and Power.

It worked for Melbourne with Cross

If you don’t see the value in it, you don’t see the value in leadership which is why you believe nothing is wrong with the Gold Coast leadership group. There is more to winning games of AFL than just talent.

The same leadership group that took you to finals last year has taken you to bottom four. Leadership is only as good as the execution of the team. What dictates the success of the team? Enough players who can run out games and execute skills within a framework. Brisbane aren't succeeding because of Hodge, they are succeeding because they brought in McCarthy, Cameron, Neale, Lyon, Witherden, McCluggage, Berry, Andrews, Hipwood in a four year period.

A Hodge would nice but without the others Brisbane would still be in bottom four even with Hodge.

 

[Blackas87]

And who's to say who "the right leadership" is? The Suns started with Fraser, Brennan, Bock, Campbell Brown, Rischitelli, Harbrow and Ablett. Didn't do them a lot of good, even with Harbrow and Rischitelli sticking around to this day. Not all veterans are capable leaders.

I didn’t say all veterans are, I said they need to get leaders in.

What are you talking about, that's precisely how the draft works! The poorest performing teams get the highest picks. Those who have been losing for years can get priority picks, most recently Brisbane in 2016. Victorian teams benefited immensely from beginning of first round priority picks, yet their fans all raise hell when a non-Victorian team wants one, even if they need it more.

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thats why they will already get pick one this year and have had a large range of top picks over the last 5 years. Why would an extra one change things when the last 5 years of top picks haven’t.

My club got priority picks, they did nothing for us as we got rid of our leaders, McDonald, Bruce, Robertson Yze ect...

Because those talented players leave. Interstate teams, chiefly Victorian ones, keep pinching their players. Leadership isn't a cure for all problems if the talent isn't there to begin with. And this year in particular, since the top two prospects are best friends, getting both of them will assist in retaining them.

Why do they leave? Why won’t the priority pick leave in a few years time? Because they’re are friends? I’m sure they’ll make plenty of friends at whatever clubs they end up at.

Melbourne have the advantage of being located in Melbourne and playing at the MCG. Easier to attract players with those advantages, particularly Victorian players.

GWS got 4 leaders when that club is located in Western Sydney and doesn’t play on MCG.
Why would players not want to live on the Gold Coast, I lived near Coolangatta for a year, who the hell wouldn’t want to live there extending their careers.

 

[Blackas87]

The same leadership group that took you to finals last year has taken you to bottom four. Leadership is only as good as the execution of the team. What dictates the success of the team? Enough players who can run out games and execute skills within a framework. Brisbane aren't succeeding because of Hodge, they are succeeding because they brought in McCarthy, Cameron, Neale, Lyon, McCluggage, Berry, Andrews, Hipwood in a four year period.

as I’ve stated Melbourne’s leadership has been terrible this year. There will be a leadership overhaul at Melbourne this year.


And the Suns have Swallow, Martin, Day, Miller, Weller, King, Ainsworth, Hanley, Wright, Sexton, Brodie, Lukosius. Plenty of talent already on their list.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

as I’ve stated Melbourne’s leadership has been terrible this year. There will be a leadership overhaul at Melbourne this year.


And the Suns have Swallow, Martin, Day, Miller, Weller, King, Ainsworth, Hanley, Wright, Sexton, Brodie, Lukosius. Plenty of talent already on their list.

But they are the same leaders that took you to top 4 last year. Obviously it's more complex than just get old mature heads...

 

[Blackas87]

But they are the same leaders that took you to top 4 last year. Obviously it's more complex than just get old mature heads...

Of course. But Melbourne wouldn’t of made the finals in the first place without them.

Same with GC

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Of course. But Melbourne wouldn’t of made the finals in the first place without them.

Same with GC

Doubt it, Richmond managed to win finals without external leadership after 12 years without finals experience and then parlayed that into a flag a few years later.

 

[Blackas87]

Doubt it, Richmond managed to win finals without external leadership after 12 years without finals experience and then parlayed that into a flag a few years later.

Daniel Cross set the standards at Melbourne for the team to teach Oliver, Brayshaw, Viney, Jones what they need to do to reach finals. Melbourne players still know what they need to do to get back up there. Cross didn’t play finals for Melbourne but he is the guy we brought in to teach the standards.

Richmond had Ben Cousins which taught a young Cotchin, Martin, Rance, Riewoldt the training standards that were needed to succeed. Regardless of his off field stuff you ask anyone at Richmond how professional he was at teaching them the standards that they’ve held through their entire careers.

Brisbane have Hodge and after Hodge leaves, the Brisbane players will always know what standards they need to rise to to stay competitive.

GWS has McDonald, Cornes and Power that taught many of their current players what they need to do. Those 3 didn’t play finals for GWS, they set the standards for that club from day 1.

Gold Coast have no one that’s had a long career playing finals teaching them the standards, plenty of talent on that list, no where near playing finals footy, they don’t know how to get there.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Daniel Cross set the standards at Melbourne for the team to teach Oliver, Brayshaw, Viney, Jones what they need to do to reach finals. Melbourne players still know what they need to do to get back up there. Cross didn’t play finals for Melbourne but he is the guy we brought in to teach the standards.

Richmond had Ben Cousins which taught a young Cotchin, Martin, Rance, Riewoldt the training standards that were needed to succeed. Regardless of his off field stuff you ask anyone at Richmond how professional he was at teaching them the standards that they’ve held through their entire careers.

Brisbane have Hodge and after Hodge leaves, the Brisbane players will always know what standards they need to rise to to stay competitive.

GWS has McDonald, Cornes and Power that taught many of their current players what they need to do. Those 3 didn’t play finals for GWS, they set the standards for that club from day 1.

Gold Coast have no one that’s had a long career playing finals teaching them the standards, plenty of talent on that list, no where near playing finals footy, they don’t know to get there.

Ben Cousins taught them to snort lines. Not a leader. If training standards is all that matters than Rowell and Anderson are better leaders than anyone else in the competition.

 

[Blackas87]

Ben Cousins taught them to snort lines. Not a leader.

You have no idea.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

You have no idea.

You think a junkie that rewarded himself for training hard with smoking bowls and punched teammates in the head is a good leader. They didn't even play finals until three years after he left. Then Gold Coast don't need leaders they had Ablett two years ago. Beyond absurd, your opinion is null and void after that.

 

[Peel67skin]

Daniel Cross set the standards at Melbourne for the team to teach Oliver, Brayshaw, Viney, Jones what they need to do to reach finals. Melbourne players still know what they need to do to get back up there. Cross didn’t play finals for Melbourne but he is the guy we brought in to teach the standards.

Richmond had Ben Cousins which taught a young Cotchin, Martin, Rance, Riewoldt the training standards that were needed to succeed. Regardless of his off field stuff you ask anyone at Richmond how professional he was at teaching them the standards that they’ve held through their entire careers.

Brisbane have Hodge and after Hodge leaves, the Brisbane players will always know what standards they need to rise to to stay competitive.

GWS has McDonald, Cornes and Power that taught many of their current players what they need to do. Those 3 didn’t play finals for GWS, they set the standards for that club from day 1.

Gold Coast have no one that’s had a long career playing finals teaching them the standards, plenty of talent on that list, no where near playing finals footy, they don’t know how to get there.

Melbourne after AFL assistance still bottom 3 after last year final appearance, not a very good example. GCS also help Melbourne by trading out pick for you to get Oliver.

 

[Blackas87]

You think a junkie that rewarded himself for training hard with smoking bowls and punched teammates in the head is a good leader. Beyond absurd, your opinion is null and void after that.

He was a professional at West Coast and became captain, they took the captaincy off him because they found out about his drug habit which he started at 19. He was always a professional though within the club.

Ask anyone at Richmond, Cousins was a complete professional that taught the standards, go ask them.

He taught them to sniff lines you say? Are you saying Riewoldt, Rance, Martin and Cotchin are all snorting lines because of Cousins? You opinion is null and void after that.

 

[Blackas87]

Melbourne after AFL assistance still bottom 3 after last year final appearance, not a very good example. GCS also help Melbourne by trading out pick for you to get Oliver.

Melbourne made a prelim, you can’t make that with having good training standards in the first place.

Yeah Melbourne GCS had a trade like all teams do, what the hell has that got to do with this?

 

[Peel67skin]

Melbourne made a prelim, you can’t make that with having good training standards in the first place.

Yeah Melbourne GCS had a trade like all teams do, what the hell has that got to do with this?

Nothing wrong in suggesting trading your pick out to GCS if you don't want GCS to get priority pick 1. Old fart players GCS can always swap lower end pick for them like Briabane - hawthorn Hodge trade.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

He was a professional at West Coast and became captain, they took the captaincy off him because they found out about his drug habit which he started at 19. He was always a professional though within the club.

Ask anyone at Richmond, Cousins was a complete professional that taught the standards, go ask them.

He taught them to sniff lines you say? Are you saying Riewoldt, Rance, Martin and Cotchin are all snorting lines because of Cousins? You opinion is null and void after that.

No I'm saying that was his example. They didn't learn off him otherwise they would have been messes like Daniel Connors was under Cousins leadership.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...68844cb84?sv=e35cc5fed6d8f8a3eead823747051099

What a leader.

 

[Blackas87]

Nothing wrong in suggesting trading your pick out to GCS if you don't want GCS to get priority pick 1. Old fart players GCS can always swap lower end pick for them like Briabane - hawthorn Hodge trade.

I’m not sure what you just said then.

I’ve never said I don’t want GCS having a priority pick. I just don’t think they should without the right leadership to teach these high draft picks the standards. GCS have had plenty of top picks throughout their history, why aren’t they succeeding?

 

[Blackas87]

No I'm saying that was his example. They didn't learn off him otherwise they would have been messes like Daniel Connors was under Cousins leadership.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...68844cb84?sv=e35cc5fed6d8f8a3eead823747051099

What a leader.

As I said on the training track, taught them the standards. From the Richmond board the impact Cousins had.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

As I said on the training track, taught them the standards. From the Richmond board the impact Cousins had.View attachment 720505View attachment 720506

The question remains is why is he retroactively a sufficient leader but Ablett wasn’t. Both exceptional preparation and training standards, both from successful systems, only one of them isnt a drug addict.

The answer is the cattle. Rance and Martin are generational talents, Gold Coast don’t have them. If you’re leadership gets passed through the ages sentiment is real then Swallow, Fiorini and Miller can pass it onto the next kids.

 

[Blackas87]

The question remains is why is he retroactively a sufficient leader but Ablett wasn’t. Both exceptional preparation and training standards, both from successful systems, only one of them isnt a drug addict.

The answer is the cattle. Rance and Martin are generational talents, Gold Coast don’t have them. If you’re leadership gets passed through the ages sentiment is real then Swallow, Fiorini and Miller can pass it onto the next kids.

How many top draft picks have Gold Coast had? Yet they have not quality cattle?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Melbourne after AFL assistance still bottom 3 after last year final appearance, not a very good example. GCS also help Melbourne by trading out pick for you to get Oliver.

Melbourne also got farcical FA compo for James Frawley, a decision that still annoys me to this deny. The sheer gall of that mob not wanting Gold Coast to get a much needed and warrantes PP is laughable in its pitiful hypocrisy.

They can whinge all they want, it's pretty much certain Gold Coast will get picks 1 and 2. Dees get pushed down 1 spot in the draft, big deal they will probably waste the pick anyway (haven't had a rising star nomination in more than 4 years)

 

[Blackas87]

Melbourne also got farcical FA compo for James Frawley, a decision that still annoys me to this deny. The sheer gall of that mob not wanting Gold Coast to get a much needed and warrantes PP is laughable in its pitiful hypocrisy.

They can whinge all they want, it's pretty much certain Gold Coast will get picks 1 and 2. Dees get pushed down 1 spot in the draft, big deal they will probably waste the pick anyway (haven't had a rising star nomination in more than 4 years)

No one at Melbourne wants picks 2. We need outside players and plenty in the top 10, Ash Young, Serong or Flanders would be perfect for us. We don’t need pick 2.

Giving GC another talented kid will just be another waste. Give them 9 of the top 15 for all Melbourne, they won’t amount to anything without the right leadership.

Great to know Melbourne under your skin though and it still annoying you

You’d think a Carlton supporter would understand top picks get you no where without the right leadership

 

[Stroppy]

Ummmm...

Last off-season we deliberately went and recruited a couple of off-field leaders and desperate players from successful clubs.

GHS won the best clubman award at the Cats so many times they should name the award after him. He is slow as a wet week and a good 2nds player, but gives everything he has got on and off the field. Miles was not quite a best 22 player in the best team in the comp, so he is best 22 for us. By all reports, both have been outstanding leaders on and off the field. Especially in terms of training and preparation.

But obviously they are not good enough leaders given how much of a rabble we are during their 1st season with a list many analysts thought would struggle to win a game. Especially looking at our midfield options. I mean, the fact that we are struggling to win a game is an indictment on the off-field leaders we do have given the age profile and quality of our midfield.

 

[Peel67skin]

No one at Melbourne wants picks 2. We need outside players and plenty in the top 10, Ash Young, Serong or Flanders would be perfect for us. We don’t need pick 2.

Giving GC another talented kid will just be another waste. Give them 9 of the top 15 for all Melbourne, they won’t amount to anything without the right leadership.

Great to know Melbourne under your skin though and it still annoying you

You’d think a Carlton supporter would understand top picks get you no where without the right leadership

eg Like Melbourne getting Lever and May just to finish bottom 3.

 

[Blackas87]

eg Like Melbourne getting Lever and May just to finish bottom 3.

What the hell are you on about?