Swans 2017 , Longmire and their playing list.

[Kummerspeck]

Efa

Well, I wouldn't call it accurate when only two of those players came from an academy but you've never seemed particularly bright.

 

[DrEvil_]

Well, I wouldn't call it accurate when only two of those players came from an academy but you've never seemed particularly bright.

Well you wouldn't have those two without the academy, wouldn't want to be ungrateful if I were you.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Well you wouldn't have those two without the academy, wouldn't want to be ungrateful if I were you.

Yes, just ignore the fact that your post was almost entirely wrong, why don't you.

 

[RUNVS]

Longmire can't cope with the keepings off style of football. The one commonality of the Hawthorn games and the Geelong game was the marks. in those 3 games the opposition got at least twice as many marks as the Swans, and the Swans couldn't cope. Longmire has no idea how to stop it. I have no doubt almost every team will try that tactic in 2018, though I think only the top 4 or 5 clubs could pull it off. Either way though, if Longmire can't learn to counter it, our finals in 2018 are going to be very short.

 

[Kummerspeck]

Well you wouldn't have those two without the academy, wouldn't want to be ungrateful if I were you.

Why would I thank the academy for the five players that didn't come through it though?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Longmire can't cope with the keepings off style of football. The one commonality of the Hawthorn games and the Geelong game was the marks. in those 3 games the opposition got at least twice as many marks as the Swans, and the Swans couldn't cope. Longmire has no idea how to stop it. I have no doubt almost every team will try that tactic in 2018, though I think only the top 4 or 5 clubs could pull it off. Either way though, if Longmire can't learn to counter it, our finals in 2018 are going to be very short.

I hadnt realised how stark the posession and marks differential was. The Hawk plan copied by Cats of denying them the ball and spreading wide worked a treat. The concern for Swans was that Longmire didnt seem to change anything to counter

 

[PCCCP]

Yes, just ignore the fact that your post was almost entirely wrong, why don't you.

Wat a flog lol dishes names out without knowing a single thing


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[PCCCP]

Since they play like 9? Games a year at the scg which is the size of a netball court, they'll probably keep being in finals with a contested 2005 roos game plan.

Bahahaha maybe you should get your dimensions of the scg vs the mcg before you blurt udder rubbish

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[mtooler]

Longmire consistently outcoached. Our list is goin ok. We'l just load up and go again and try to make the top 4 next year instead. Top 2 ideally.

 

[yeee_haaaa!!!!!]

Franklin masks what is really a run of the mill team during the h&a season, and the rest go along for the ride. A shame for the swans he can't get a kick when it counts in sept tho

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Sydney are completely mentally broken after 2014 and 2016.

Horse is beaten too many times in the coaches box. He's not an elite coach. He's a one trick pony with the privilege of coaching an elite list who has coughed up two golden opportunities.

Parker, Rohan, Jack etc. go missing far too often in big games.

The advantages they have continue to be underplayed. Yeah they built a great culture and have some great home grown players and those they traded in for unders (eg Kennedy).

But they've had the luxury of the Tippett trade being a bust and it not affecting them due to COLA (yes I know that's wound down/gone now but was a factor at the time) which allowed them to pinch Buddy as well as taking 2 top 3 picks in Heeney and Mills for way unders due to the academy zones. There was also some trickery around Jack being drafted which the AFL looked the other way on.

For mine Longmire has underachieved considering the advantages he's got although to be fair they were crucified by the umps in last year's GF. The 0-6 start this year seems unforgiveable from the outside and has cost them a golden opportunity at redemption for last year's loss.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Longmire can't cope with the keepings off style of football. The one commonality of the Hawthorn games and the Geelong game was the marks. in those 3 games the opposition got at least twice as many marks as the Swans, and the Swans couldn't cope. Longmire has no idea how to stop it. I have no doubt almost every team will try that tactic in 2018, though I think only the top 4 or 5 clubs could pull it off. Either way though, if Longmire can't learn to counter it, our finals in 2018 are going to be very short.

You do realise that the best way to stop it is to deny them the ball, you got killed at stopages.

 

[bungwahl]

The advantages they have continue to be underplayed. Yeah they built a great culture and have some great home grown players and those they traded in for unders (eg Kennedy).

But they've had the luxury of the Tippett trade being a bust and it not affecting them due to COLA (yes I know that's wound down/gone now but was a factor at the time) which allowed them to pinch Buddy as well as taking 2 top 3 picks in Heeney and Mills for way unders due to the academy zones. There was also some trickery around Jack being drafted which the AFL looked the other way on.

For mine Longmire has underachieved considering the advantages he's got although to be fair they were crucified by the umps in last year's GF. The 0-6 start this year seems unforgiveable from the outside and has cost them a golden opportunity at redemption for last year's loss.

Trickery around Jack being taken in the 50's of the rookie draft?

 

[Superstar swan]

Meh im pretty happy with the spot we are in, terrible start to the year going 0-6, even if we had halved that and went 3-3, pretty safe to assume we would have made top 4 and would be coming second in a grand final again

 

[bungwahl]

Swans have spent the past 2 seasons rebuilding their list. Hardly terrible results in that time.


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[LukeParkerno1]

After taking a bit of time over the weekend, I actually a little more forgiving.

The 0-6 start was always going to come back and bite us, especially with our gameplan more than most. If you told us we'd come 6th after starting 0-6 I would have taken it. We got some games into our kids as well. tThe signs are positive for 2018.

My biggest issue is the coach and his lack of a plan B, C, etc. Our best is up there, but if that is stopped, Longmire has donuts.

A few good trades, and all of a sudden we are a lot better in 2018.

 

[ashep]

I hadnt realised how stark the posession and marks differential was. The Hawk plan copied by Cats of denying them the ball and spreading wide worked a treat. The concern for Swans was that Longmire didnt seem to change anything to counter

How DO you counter it?

Asking for a friend...

 

[Gavin Excell]

How DO you counter it?

Asking for a friend...

1 on 1

 

[Judd2Sewell]

2014?

Hawks 2014 team would completely ream the Doggies of 2016. That is the one that got away for Sydney.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Trickery around Jack being taken in the 50's of the rookie draft?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/doubts-raised-over-jacks-draft-20111210-1ool4.html

Jack jnr was allowed to enter the rookie draft after claiming his registration papers for the preceding national draft had been lost in the mail. It is a condition of entry for the rookie draft that a player must have registered for a previous draft. A statutory declaration to this effect was signed.

Both Kieren and Garry Jack have subsequently - and independently - told journalists that, in fact, no such registration was ever submitted because the family was ignorant of the AFL draft protocol. Garry Jack told the Herald's Roy Masters in September that it was only in the days before the rookie draft that Sydney informed the family Kieren was ineligible and would be forced to sit out 12 months.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Hawks 2014 team would completely ream the Doggies of 2016. That is the one that got away for Sydney.

Yep agree

2016 was swans for the taking

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yep agree

2016 was swans for the taking

2014 we were just outplayed. Last year was a shocker. Didn't help with the umpires, but we didn't help ourselves. We carried at least 5-6 half fit players in a GF. It's a bad strategy.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

With McVeigh the only one retiring (I think?) and blooding a lot of youth the last two years and still making a GF and a semi in that time - I think they're well placed.

A decent second forward would really take them places.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

With McVeigh the only one retiring (I think?) and blooding a lot of youth the last two years and still making a GF and a semi in that time - I think they're well placed.

A decent second forward would really take them places.

McVeigh has signed on for 2018. Personally I don't agree with it, but his last half a season was extremely good.

The 2nd forward is an issue or a ruck/FWD. It's why I'm disappointed we aren't in Casboult's ear. Sure he's not elite but he's that sort of player. I'd also entertain trading for Jack Watts.

 

[Arc1]

Longmuire would make a great assistant under Buckley.

So you'd have one guy taking the club backwards, and another guy reknowned for never having a Plan B?