Swans List - Moving Forward

[EatBig Australia]

With the proposal for the Gold Coast and West Sydney teams to get massive access to the drafts in coming years where do you see the Swans list heading??

I only know a little about a few of the Tasmanians that are in contention to be drafted this year so am far from an expert but there is a fair bit of hype on other threads that suggests next years draft could be an absolute belter.

Do you see the Swans making a few changes at the end of the year to get some extra picks in the next draft? Maybe taking more players than expected to let them develop so we still have stocks when all the countrys best kids are heading to the new franchises in the next few years?

Who do you think could/will be delisted or traded and who do you think may retire?? Will Mathews retire? Would Brabazon cut it at the top level if given a chance? Will Faulks keep his spot on the list? Is Crouch still a benefit to us with the rise of Kieren Jack? Is Spida in his last season? Will Brennans kicking see him lose his spot?

I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this one as it seems young talent will be harder and harder to come by in the future and now may be the time we need to act.

 

[MF]

I never generally take much interest in the draft as I find it to be a lot of pointless speculation but from what I can gather when a draft is meant to be a strong one they are generally referring to the first 30 or so players. With that in mind we can assume we will have 2 picks in the top 30 at the draft and I would be very dissapointed if we traded either of those away.

I think we'll probably be able to free up a bit of room for some later picks as well.

Here are the players I think that could possible retire or be de-listed/traded (not that I believe any other clubs would be interested).

Everitt
Brennan
Crouch
Matthews

A big maybe on these ones:
Grundy
Fosdike
J. Bolton
Davis
O'Loughlin

 

[RUNVS]

I never generally take much interest in the draft as I find it to be a lot of pointless speculation but from what I can gather when a draft is meant to be a strong one they are generally referring to the first 30 or so players. With that in mind we can assume we will have 2 picks in the top 30 at the draft and I would be very dissapointed if we traded either of those away.

I think we'll probably be able to free up a bit of room for some later picks as well.

Here are the players I think that could possible retire or be de-listed/traded (not that I believe any other clubs would be interested).

Everitt
Brennan
Crouch
Matthews

A big maybe on these ones:
Grundy
Fosdike
J. Bolton
Davis
O'Loughlin

The guys on that list i see not being on the Swans list next year are Crouch, Mathews and probably Everitt. Previously ive thought that O'Loughlin might retire at the end of this year but the past few Rounds its becoming clear that O'Loughlin cant retire as we dont have a replacement for him and im sure Swans management will point that out to him when he is deciding to go on for another year.

 

[EatBig Australia]

Previously ive thought that O'Loughlin might retire at the end of this year but the past few Rounds its becoming clear that O'Loughlin cant retire as we dont have a replacement for him and im sure Swans management will point that out to him when he is deciding to go on for another year.

I think Magic will play next year and be the first Swan to play 300 games.

 

[ssfc0203]

The guys on that list i see not being on the Swans list next year are Crouch, Mathews and probably Everitt. Previously ive thought that O'Loughlin might retire at the end of this year but the past few Rounds its becoming clear that O'Loughlin cant retire as we dont have a replacement for him and im sure Swans management will point that out to him when he is deciding to go on for another year.

He says that he has no intention of reitiring at the end of this year, and will review it next year after he knows the toll it has on his body.

I like the way our list is moving forward, especially now that we're seeing players in the 22 who have earnt their spot there ..

 

[RUNVS]

He says that he has no intention of reitiring at the end of this year, and will review it next year after he knows the toll it has on his body.

I like the way our list is moving forward, especially now that we're seeing players in the 22 who have earnt their spot there ..

The Swans will need afew new Forwards very soon and i will be very worried if we dont draft them this year.

Very soon we will need replacements for

Barry Hall
Michael O'Loughin
Leo Barry
Peter Everitt

On that list is 70% of the Swans scoring potential, a skilled ruckman who can go forward and a defender who has been the backbone of the Swans defence for the last 10 years.

Daniel Currie might be able to replace Everitt and Peter Faulks might be able to replace Leo Barry (though they arnt exactly the same type player) but at the moment we dont even have short term replacements for Barry Hall and Michael O'Loughlin.

 

[ssfc0203]

We'll have to pinch off other clubs again, unless White turns out to be a super CHF after the 2 or so years of more development before Hall contemplates retirement.

We have two Ruck options after Everitt, Currie who I know is not ready yet, and Orreal who may turn out into a super prospect for us.

 

[Tuco]

I think we often underestimate the ability of a list to rejuvenate itself from within. And we often overestimate the importance of a few older names. A good example was how we went from hacks in 2002 to Prelim finalists in 2003 with the addition of just a couple of enthusiastic kids to the starting list, and the retirements of a few old stagers.

Many were dismayed with Dempster and Schneider leaving, and yet watching Moore, Jack, Birdy, Barlow and others has wiped most of those concerns away in my mind already. And there's always trade periods when a Marty, Teddy, Craig Bolton or the like can sometimes be found.

I think our future is bright. But the issue of a Hall replacement is pressing.

 

[EatBig Australia]

We'll have to pinch off other clubs again, unless White turns out to be a super CHF after the 2 or so years of more development before Hall contemplates retirement.

I would hate to trade our picks now with what will likely happen with the new frachises making it harder to get good youngsters.

 

[ssfc0203]

I would hate to trade our picks now with what will likely happen with the new frachises making it harder to get good youngsters.

Yep. The next couple of years make it very important for us to draft well in the trade. Next year is regarded as a very good draft, and I'd hate for us to lose those chances when the franchise clubs are obviously getting first dibs at the best talent out of NSW/AFL. For us, that'd be an equivalent of a Bird escaping from us.

 

[Hooley McBoob]

We need a 194cm+ forward who can mark and kick straight! Wtf is going on with Grundy, it would be great if he could pull his finger out. Otherwise - maybe Playfair can fill this role, again decent kicking is an issue.

A ruckman would be allright too

 

[ssfc0203]

We need a 194cm+ forward who can mark and kick straight! Wtf is going on with Grundy, it would be great if he could pull his finger out. Otherwise - maybe Playfair can fill this role, again decent kicking is an issue.

A ruckman would be allright too

Not Grundy's fault. He's been played in the backline regulary and has stress fractures in his foot that could take a long time to heal.

He could pull his finger out if he had it in there in the first place

 

[o54595]

With a new man in charge of Recruiting what's the general feeling as to whether the club will go for a different type of player than in the past?
On the subject of the List, what's the chance of young Brabazon getting a game in the forseeable future.

 

[Hooley McBoob]

Not Grundy's fault. He's been played in the backline regulary and has stress fractures in his foot that could take a long time to heal.

He could pull his finger out if he had it in there in the first place

Oh yeah I forgot he was injured, I thought he had been dropped. Well then, he shouldn't have any problems once he's back in the firsts

 

[Mick Oxlong]

With the proposal for the Gold Coast and West Sydney teams to get massive access to the drafts in coming years where do you see the Swans list heading??

I only know a little about a few of the Tasmanians that are in contention to be drafted this year so am far from an expert but there is a fair bit of hype on other threads that suggests next years draft could be an absolute belter.

Do you see the Swans making a few changes at the end of the year to get some extra picks in the next draft? Maybe taking more players than expected to let them develop so we still have stocks when all the countrys best kids are heading to the new franchises in the next few years?

Who do you think could/will be delisted or traded and who do you think may retire?? Will Mathews retire? Would Brabazon cut it at the top level if given a chance? Will Faulks keep his spot on the list? Is Crouch still a benefit to us with the rise of Kieren Jack? Is Spida in his last season? Will Brennans kicking see him lose his spot?

I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this one as it seems young talent will be harder and harder to come by in the future and now may be the time we need to act.

If he doesn't retire...he needs TO BE RETIRED! His game on the weekend was as ordinary as it has been over the last couple of seasons, too old now and definitely too slow!

 

[ssfc0203]

If he doesn't retire...he needs TO BE RETIRED! His game on the weekend was as ordinary as it has been over the last couple of seasons, too old now and definitely too slow!

I reckon Benny knows more than us when he wants to retire, and has that in mind. He won't be one to be told when to retire and we can all give him that respect; Roos certainly is.

 

[AlibiMonday]

I'd be incredibly surprised if Mathews doesn't retire at the end of the season on his own terms. Otherwise Roos will give him the message. I think Crouch is a different proposition and is incredibly willful. I suspect he may be delisted.

Retire:
Ben Mathews
Peter Everitt - his body is just not there for another season. He'd have to play injury free for the duration of '08. He's also not contracted beyond '08. Look for White or Murphy to be fast tracked. Currie is 2 years away.

Delist:
Jared Crouch
Luke Brennan - I think he falls into a similar category as D Spriggs. Foot skills are a real problem.

'09 Last Year Looming:
Michael O'Loughlin - still have good value and run in his legs. Will never be traded and is an icon to the club.
Leo Barry - the game's moving past him but has shown better durability than I expected. He'll want to go out gracefully.
Jude Bolton - Contracted to the end of '09. That'll be it. Delisted. No value on the market now.

Trade Bait:
Nic Fosdike - this is the last year he'll get any value as a top up midfielder. Relable but 2nd round at best.
Nick Davis - terrific talent, not suited to the Swans game plan. High risk trade. 2nd round at best
Amon Buchanan - hasn't come on as much as expected for a 100 game player, failed to replicate 05-06 form, plus foot skills are not consistent enough which Roos has already highlighted he wants to rectify within the team. Might get some value on the market. low 2nd round.
Heath Grundy - they haven't worked out his strengths yet, but could command some value on the market if Roos becomes disillusioned - this is a long shot because they do hold his potential in high esteem (see preseason last year). High 3rd round pick. Less than that, Sydney wouldn't let him go.

Trade Long Shot:
Luke Ablett - If he hadn't been promoted to the leadership group, I would throw him in the same class as Amon.

Others:
Brett Kirk: I can see him contributing until end of '10 maybe '11 if still winning the ball. Hard as nails.
Barry Hall: Same as Kirk, however not beyond '10. Will tire of the game and weekly attention before body fails.
Thornton: Will be kept after a very promising pre-season. Would most likely be a senior regular this year on Roos' current selection strategy. Almost a year younger than Brabazon.
Brabazon: Only going one way at the moment, up. I suspect he'll be given until next year to make his mark, but he'll need to consistently be in the best players on the park in Canberra for the rest of the year and demonstrate good defensive skills when he doesn't have the ball.
Laidlaw: Will be given next year to be a regular. If not for injury, I suspect he would have been played this year already.
Faulks: Too far away to read, I'd say it completely depends on his attitude and general improvement. My guess is he's on notice and knows it.
DOK: No chance of being delisted, they've too much invested in getting him going. They would have pencilled him at the draft to be debuting late this year, but he'd have to string some domination in Canberra for more than quarter. I'm sure there'll be some slight concerns on his progress.

 

[swans12]

If he doesn't retire...he needs TO BE RETIRED! His game on the weekend was as ordinary as it has been over the last couple of seasons, too old now and definitely too slow!

Couldnt believe it when I turned the game on and he was there. We should have played a kid.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Jude Bolton has value, doubt you would get rid of him though. A team like the Bulldogs could use him with Scott West retirement looming

 

[Tuco]

Jude Bolton has value, doubt you would get rid of him though. A team like the Bulldogs could use him with Scott West retirement looming

Jude has been working hard for the Swans this year, and I can't see why we'd move him on now - despite throwing his name out there last trade period. Jude's experience and in-and-under work will be vital in that 2yr period directly after Kirk retires.

We built a premiership side by backing our under-performing, mid-range players (23-25 year olds), introducing a few kids, and keeping the odd veteran in the middle to keep them in line (Cresswell). But the way the game is going you need more youth and speed not less, and I don't think we'll see too many more trades in the near future like your coup in sending Johnson to Freo.

 

[SouthSwans]

To Retire:

Ben Mathews (I think he'll go. One thing's for sure though, he wont be moved on, the club respects what he's done too much for that.)

Jared Crouch (Body's been too battered for him to continue. I think he knows that too.)

Peter Everitt (Has business interests elsewhere and shares the same sentiments as Crouch.)
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Delisted:

Luke Brennan (Absolutely gone. Too slow, no skills. The boy tries hard but just doesn't cut it as disposal efficiency is such a key to the modern defender.)
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Last Year in 09:

Michael O'Loughlin (He'll want to get to 300, I think he knows too that he's vital to the structure of the side. Can't see him retiring and definetly won't be shunted off.)

Leo Barry (Getting too slow for his run-and-carry we've become accustom to over the last few years. He's got another season of good games in him but I dont think he'll want to push his luck any further.)
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Trade Bait:

Jude Bolton (Has done nothing since 2004, but other clubs dont know what we do...)

Nick Davis (Ditto Jude Bolton, we know he's lazy and inconsistant but the rest of the competion - bar Collingwood - think he's still a matchwinner in almost every game he plays.)

Heath Grundy (Could be important down the track but hasn't shown me much, he's had too many chances and I would've prefered us to retain Vogels. Grundy's done nothing since his debut.)

Luke Ablett (Career has been in a downhill slide since he chipped across the backline to Cousins in the 2005 granny. Other posters may say I pick on him but he adds little to our game and skirts around packs, he's only averaging 2 contested possesions a game this year. He does what Dempster did and should be moved on like Sean was. Cats would want him.)
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Others:

Nic Fosdike (Give him another year, so many people underrate his importance to our midfield. Averages 17 touches a game over the last 2 years and only had one game last year that he didn't reach double figures - Round 7 vs. St Kilda. Was probably our BOG for both grand finals too.)

Amon Buchanan (Havent been a great fan of his so far this season but with Schneids gone, he and Moore working in tandem seems to be a pivotal part of future premiership assaults. IMO Schneider and Buchanan was the best small forward/mid combo in the AFL, now Bucky is needed to coach Moore into the same role.)

 

[Tuco]

Can't see Jude, Amon or Fosdike leaving the club now. All will be very handy players in the coming years as our new look midfield rebuilds.

I think Jack has probably put Crouch out of a job.

Everitt won't play too much longer. We might see him in 09, though. And I don't think it would hurt us if he did. Our ruck division has been under plenty of stress this year, and we shouldn't judge him on his comeback game last round. He will get better, but we won't see his best until the last third of the year, IMHO.

Mathews has played on some of the best midfielders in a very unrewarded negating role for many years. His open field skills might not match his physical endurance and heart, but I can't see why he couldn't contribute this year. But perhaps like Schauble, the game has left him behind a little bit and he will be the first to acknowledge that if a better young player was being held out, he'd step aside for the good of the team.

Davis is an interesting one. It will be fascinating to see if he can fight his way back into that starting position we all know he is capable of holding if he lifts his work ethic for the next 2 seasons. He'd be very handy to have around when our forward line drastically changes over the next 3 years. I'm beginning to wonder, though, if it will take having another coach in charge before we get the most out of him?

 

[bomba4eva]

Would Courtney Johns possibly be an option for a trade with Essendon?

Sydney are lacking young tall forwards and Johns will most likely be on the way out for the Bombers.

 

[ssfc0203]

Would Courtney Johns possibly be an option for a trade with Essendon?

Sydney are lacking young tall forwards and Johns will most likely be on the way out for the Bombers.

Don't know much about Essendon players .. mind giving a little rundown?

 

[bomba4eva]

Don't know much about Essendon players .. mind giving a little rundown?

No problem.
Quick lad with a big presence about him. Can take a good mark.
Mobility can be an issue namely when he needs to turn. Not the most agile footballer going around. Decision making isnt always great. Has to learn to lead to the right places.
Still young at the age of 23.