Test cricket is dying, let's help save it

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Why the fu** would Australia and India give up all their revenue to countries who don't give a fu** about playing test cricket. If you take the money from India all there players will just hit the T20 circuit, same with our players.
Because it’s not our revenue all our domestic revenue we keep the ICC hands out money to all the nations on top of that and the three biggest recipients are India England and Australia. That is what makes no sense and who decided that countries like Pakistan don’t care about playing test cricket? You?
 

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Why the fu** would Australia and India give up all their revenue to countries who don't give a fu** about playing test cricket. If you take the money from India all there players will just hit the T20 circuit, same with our players.
Um, because they don’t want to end up just playing each other and England full time maybe?

The reason a lot of countries don’t give a shit about test cricket is because they aren’t good at it. Make them better, support will follow
 

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Um, because they don’t want to end up just playing each other and England full time maybe?

The reason a lot of countries don’t give a shit about test cricket is because they aren’t good at it. Make them better, support will follow
Also no consideration is given to the fact that maybe a country like Pakistan actually does care about cricket but the recent instability in the nation has diminished their ability to make money off the game and reduced the amount that they can spend developing players. Maybe now the country seems to becoming more settled domestic cricket has returned and we recently had the return of international cricket we will see them rebound.
 

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Or we could play games overseas and just dig the grave

Who would watch NZ v South Africa in India? Nobody shit timezones just wouldn’t work

We need to break the hold that the big three nations have in the game have a more equitable way of the ICC dividing revenue. No reason Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh can’t be consistently strong nations except for the lack of money and development pathways.

Countries like Australia India and England need to realise that we need to start putting the game first.
Why should those nations give money away to places that don't invest in or have a strong market for test cricket? Socialism at its worst. NFI
 

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Why should those nations give money away to places that don't invest in or have a strong market for test cricket? Socialism at its worst. NFI
How do they invest with nothing to invest?
Yes absolutely in a lot of cases - and yes the West Indies is an obvious one - previous generations of administration had nothing by way of succession plans and development pathways. That doesn’t mean the current generation of fans and players should suffer the consequences.

And most of all, why should those boards help, and why should all countries be given a bigger chunk of the enormous ICC pie?

Because they can afford it.
 

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Think of it like this, to use an onfield analogy.

If an under 10s match features one team who have a full team or even surplus players, and the other side has 6, would you be of the attitude of ‘why should we send a few of our kids out to field for them, we’ve got our full team, it’s not our fault they don’t.’ Or would you see it as being for the betterment of the contest and the development of the kids playing, to send a few kids out rotating each over to equalise the contest a bit?
 
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Why the fu** would Australia and India give up all their revenue to countries who don't give a fu** about playing test cricket. If you take the money from India all there players will just hit the T20 circuit, same with our players.
Are you aware of how the current system works re: revenues?
 

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I know without England Australia and India there would be no revenue to speak of
And without the other countries the sport would have the same international status as rugby league.

What would you prefer, 3 nations to let the IcC divide revenue equally among all nations, not really hurting those 3 nations hip pocket in the process, or those 3 countries keeping the current massive slice of the pie and having no opponents
 
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I know without England Australia and India there would be no revenue to speak of
That's a no, then. Most money each board makes is made through bilaterals - they get the money by selling the rights to series they host, along with their own domestic competitions. No surprise, then, that the BCCI makes far more money than any other board, well over a billion dollars a year. In fact, they could receive nothing from the ICC and still be comfortably the richest cricket board in the world, by a considerable distance.

Yet they also receive the biggest chunk of ICC revenues (which the ICC only makes on their own tournaments, thereby being quite a bit smaller than bilateral incomes) each year, while smaller boards - particularly in countries who don't yet have the capacity to play Tests - get next to nothing. Does that seem like an intelligent way to help grow the game?
 

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Why should those nations give money away to places that don't invest in or have a strong market for test cricket? Socialism at its worst. NFI
It’s not about giving money away it’s about taking less money out of the game. We keep all our domestic revenue but when the ICC splits up their revenue and gives funding to cricket boards why do the 3 biggest get the most.

If we want what is best for the game we should look to invest more in the other cricket boards and help them improve the standard of their sides.

Test cricket can’t survive as the big three ultimately seeing the ICC give the poorer nations more funding will lead to an increase in competition more people watching and more money flowing into the game
 

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That's a no, then. Most money each board makes is made through bilaterals - they get the money by selling the rights to series they host, along with their own domestic competitions. No surprise, then, that the BCCI makes far more money than any other board, well over a billion dollars a year. In fact, they could receive nothing from the ICC and still be comfortably the richest cricket board in the world, by a considerable distance.

Yet they also receive the biggest chunk of ICC revenues (which the ICC only makes on their own tournaments, thereby being quite a bit smaller than bilateral incomes) each year, while smaller boards - particularly in countries who don't yet have the capacity to play Tests - get next to nothing. Does that seem like an intelligent way to help grow the game?
Finally someone making sense
 

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It’s not about giving money away it’s about taking less money out of the game. We keep all our domestic revenue but when the ICC splits up their revenue and gives funding to cricket boards why do the 3 biggest get the most.

If we want what is best for the game we should look to invest more in the other cricket boards and help them improve the standard of their sides.

Test cricket can’t survive as the big three ultimately seeing the ICC give the poorer nations more funding will lead to an increase in competition more people watching and more money flowing into the game
Most countries outside the big three don't put the required resources in towards growing the game locally so why should the ICC invest? Socialist BS
 

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Outside of football, and my guess is that has something to do with the astronomical amount of money it gets for broadcast rights, a lot of sporting bodies are by necessity fairly socialist because a strong competition benefits all teams.
 

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Outside of football, and my guess is that has something to do with the astronomical amount of money it gets for broadcast rights, a lot of sporting bodies are by necessity fairly socialist because a strong competition benefits all teams.
The key word there is strong competition. Which is something cricket has lacked globally forever
 

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The key word there is strong competition. Which is something cricket has lacked globally forever
I think Test cricket has been more competitive in the last ten years than it's been for a long time for the simple reason that for the first time since the 1980s you haven't had one team that's been all dominating. It's led to a bit of a win at home, lose away scenario for a lot of teams but for that reason alone, and that the big three are rolling in money for the future of Test cricket continued investment in countries like Bangladesh and Pakistan and South Africa is worthwhile.
 

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I think Test cricket has been more competitive in the last ten years than it's been for a long time for the simple reason that for the first time since the 1980s you haven't had one team that's been all dominating. It's led to a bit of a win at home, lose away scenario for a lot of teams but for that reason alone, and that the big three are rolling in money for the future of Test cricket continued investment in countries like Bangladesh and Pakistan and South Africa is worthwhile.
If those countries weren't historically corrupt I wouldn't have an issue with it but what's the real ROI for chucking money down those paths? India is even worse I know but perhaps boards could start using broadcast cash for growing the game in their own countries and show clean ledgers before getting extras?
 

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Also no consideration is given to the fact that maybe a country like Pakistan actually does care about cricket but the recent instability in the nation has diminished their ability to make money off the game and reduced the amount that they can spend developing players. Maybe now the country seems to becoming more settled domestic cricket has returned and we recently had the return of international cricket we will see them rebound.
The recent instability? Do you mean the fact that they are a religious fundamentalist country with bronze age views on how society should act??? Highly corrupt on and off the field to boot.No sympathy whatsoever
 

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The recent instability? Do you mean the fact that they are a religious fundamentalist country with bronze age views on how society should act??? Highly corrupt on and off the field to boot.No sympathy whatsoever
That’s got little to do with the kids coming through who want to play cricket though
 

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Most countries outside the big three don't put the required resources in towards growing the game locally so why should the ICC invest? Socialist BS
Because we need to expand the markets for test cricket, if the current trend continues how long will test cricket survive? Because it will get boring really fast if we play India and England every second year
 

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Because we need to expand the markets for test cricket, if the current trend continues how long will test cricket survive? Because it will get boring really fast if we play India and England every second year
I have already raised concerns for the future of test cricket and you chose to ridicule any suggestions I or others here put forth. Why are you suddenly so worried about it now? And why would Pakistan ever get an invite back here after their performance last year? We'd get more competition from a local pub side
 

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