The 2009 Shallow/Weak Draft.

[richskee]

Reading on the Drafts & Trading board, thats what seems to be the word.

Are we un lucky to have this year with the pp, or is this draft like any other?

A few people that seem to know what they are on about re: draft etc seem to think that this is one of the weakest in years.

Anyone else heard this? Thoughts?

And if Sculy was in last years draft, where would he of gone?

 

[Demon 86]

Shallow draft- in that after the first round the talent pool is thin.

First 15 picks are as good as ever.

Pick 1 (Scull Dog) up there with the best of the best.

 

[The Dr]

I think the general consensus is it is a shallow draft. ie: some great talent in maybe the first 20 or 30 picks, but it drops off quite dramatically after that.

I guess you could label the draft a bit weaker, especially in comparison to last year's freak class of kids.

I think Scully is tipped to be as good as any young kid coming through in past years, which means we'll have done very well in that regard, while tip 2 should bring us another very high quality kid.

 

[Dez!]

Shallow draft- in that after the first round the talent pool is thin.

First 15 picks are as good as ever.

Pick 1 (Scull Dog) up there with the best of the best.

This.

People seem to be confusing weak with shallow (or have I got it the wrong way round?), the first round and a fair chunk of the second round has a lot of talented kids but it's just that at about pick#30 and after a team's chances of unearthing a hidden gem are minimal.

Make no mistake about it, this is far from a weak draft.

 

[RandB]

Make no mistake about it, this is far from a weak draft.

Correct.

Given it is a shallow draft as others have clarified, it actually makes our PP more critical than ever. We are getting 2 bites at the cherry before the quality tapers off around the 2nd round. A PP this year (in principle) is way more valuable than in past drafts and on top of that we have robbed some poor bastard club of a good kid by bumping every one down a notch - I am not celebrating this fact merely pointing it out. With GC about to come in our timing is grand - despite the cringe factor of our player experimentation against the Tiges.

 

[WattsGoodForYou]

A ridiculous suggestion, to quantify talent before they have even played. The true value of this draft will not be known untill 2013.
However with the restricted age (see GFC picks), this make the draft have less talent overall. But any attempt to guess the quality is stupid.

 

[RandB]

A ridiculous suggestion, to quantify talent before they have even played. The true value of this draft will not be known untill 2013.

That is true and there will always be successful players that came late in any draft but the popular opinion (by people in the know at least) seems to be based on comparing the talent from 1 year to the next.

However with the restricted age (see GFC picks), this make the draft have less talent overall. But any attempt to guess the quality is stupid.

It isn't about guessing the quality, you are getting too carried away. It is a simple concept of having 2 picks at the cream of the draft instead of 1 where it has been widely accepted that there is not as much obvious talent as previous years. This doesn't mean that some late picks won't blossom.

 

[Andy_Mac]

A ridiculous suggestion, to quantify talent before they have even played. The true value of this draft will not be known untill 2013.
However with the restricted age (see GFC picks), this make the draft have less talent overall. But any attempt to guess the quality is stupid.

spot on. This year has only got 8 months worth of kids in it, but clubs have the same number of picks.

 

[The Crow Show]

I think generally this draft is regarded as both shallow and weak.

Shallow - in that once past the first round there is little in the way of obvious talent.

Weak - although there are some good midfield types on offer, there is not much in the way of quality rucks and kpp's. So if you are looking to plug a hole in those areas this is not the draft for you.

At the end of the day only time will tell!

 

[whelan=legend]

Given it is a shallow draft as others have clarified, it actually makes our PP more critical than ever. We are getting 2 bites at the cherry before the quality tapers off around the 2nd round. A PP this year (in principle) is way more valuable than in past drafts and on top of that we have robbed some poor bastard club of a good kid by bumping every one down a notch

Very interesting way to put it, and I like it.

 

[WattsGoodForYou]

At the end of the day only time will tell!

Hurrah more logic to back my post.

Also R&B, how was i getting carried away my post was 4 lines? Not really a rant. My key point was you don't know the flavor of something until you taste it. People can try to explain the flavor but until its in your mouth you don't know.

 

[richskee]

I think generally this draft is regarded as both shallow and weak.

Shallow - in that once past the first round there is little in the way of obvious talent.

Weak - although there are some good midfield types on offer, there is not much in the way of quality rucks and kpp's. So if you are looking to plug a hole in those areas this is not the draft for you.

At the end of the day only time will tell!

If this is the case should we really look at trading pick 18 and 34 for a player? Say Danyle Pearce.

 

[Andy_Mac]

If this is the case should we really look at trading pick 18 and 34 for a player? Say Danyle Pearce.

Maybe 34, but 18 will be important.

 

[RandB]

Hurrah more logic to back my post.

Also R&B, how was i getting carried away my post was 4 lines? Not really a rant. My key point was you don't know the flavor of something until you taste it. People can try to explain the flavor but until its in your mouth you don't know.

Ok I may have been a bit strong there but this thread is in context of our PP - i.e. having picks 1 and 2. I think you are missing the significance a little on the difference between shallow and weak and how it pertains to our situation. I don't know if it is a weak draft and this is where your point comes in. To brand the draft as weak before these kids have even played is futile as you said but that is not really the issue here.

The issue is that the draft has been widely touted as being shallow as there is clearly a quality drop off by all reports by pure observation of comparing the respective draftees to each other. This makes our situation quite important. It is all about relativity and if there is a core group of youngsters that stand out as better players compared to the rest then that constitutes a shallow draft. Many posters have highlighted the difference. This is why our PP is critical.

 

[WattsGoodForYou]

The issue is that the draft has been widely touted as being shallow as there is clearly a quality drop off by all reports by pure observation of comparing the respective draftees to each other. This makes our situation quite important. It is all about relativity and if there is a core group of youngsters that stand out as better players compared to the rest then that constitutes a shallow draft. Many posters have highlighted the difference. This is why our PP is critical.

I thoroughly understand all this ^... its just whether a play is pick 2 or pick 62 , you still don't know their worth until they play.
So while it is believed that the talent is not there, i liken assumptions made upon the players to those made by WCE spuds on bay 13 about Watts.

 

[FOOOOTY]

player deevelopment once they arrive is more important then a draft number

 

[Fairtex09]

Dont worry we'll get all the quality before it runs out.