Mega Thread The 2016 Buckley Coaching Discussion

[jmac70]

Some good and fair points.
But sometimes reading too much BigFooty brings too much negativity.
Sometime soon better to have a nice drink, or a walk, a bit of a relaxing time...
Then a good game or two by our boys and life is ok again.

Funny thing as bad as we have been (and it's bad) for all that we sit 1 - 2 so long long way from doom.
A few more games will tell more of the tale.

Sport in general is vicious...

My current view was formed whilst watching the game against St Kilda. It has nothing to do with Big Footy.

 

[Scodog10]

Well now you just sound like my wife, of course I can sustain it, I'm in great shape.

I must be you're wife given I susPECT you won't be able to!

 

[Bazzamatazz]

I must be you're wife given I susPECT you won't be able to!

I doubt it, there'd be so much more nagging.

 

[Scodog10]

I doubt it, there'd be so much more nagging.

If only the account you normally post under were this entertaining. Love it!

 

[jmac70]

The injury list aside which is longer than Dustin Martin's rap sheet, those 2 were out of form and there were precious few options to choose from.

And I'm sure other clubs were in the same position but I didn't see them 18th for age.

What will it take for you to even consider that there might be issues with the coach? I admire your loyalty but surely you must be at least a little worried, given the ease at which we are scored against.

 

[Bazzamatazz]

If only the account you normally post under were this entertaining. Love it!

Well that tells you I don't have another account, there is no off position on the genius switch.

But here's a clue

 

[Scodog10]

Well that tells you I don't have another account, there is no off position on the genius switch.

But here's a clue

Haha you just gave it away!

 

[Bazzamatazz]

Haha you just gave it away!

I know, I can never use that emoticon.

 

[jmac70]

I know, I can never use that emoticon.

Keep fighting the good fight mate.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Facts! Numbers are not open to interpretation, we were the youngest, not up for debate!

Never is is it. This is what the fans have come to see isn't it?

 

[jmac70]

I know, I can never use that emoticon.

That is my favourite avatar.

 

[Bazzamatazz]

Never is is it. This is what the fans have come to see isn't it?

I'd rather watch Buckley develop a list than be Melbourne or the Bulldogs and have never seen a flag, as good as the Doggies are who really believes they will win one? There's something magical and flawed about us but at least we see flags from time to time.

 

[HFF]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...urne-says-nathan-buckley-20160414-go67kw.html

Is anyone not alarmed reading this?

Here we all are for weeks now talking at how negative and boring our football and style of play has become and then the coach comes out with this?

This reeks of a guy desperate to save his job, rather than for the betterment of the club.

Play some entertaining football for crying out loud. We can then at least hang our hat on something.

If we go ultra defensive and still get pumped by Melbourne, that would just be an absolute train wreck.

 

[jmac70]

I'd rather watch Buckley develop a list than be Melbourne or the Bulldogs and have never seen a flag, as good as the Doggies are who really believes they will win one? There's something magical and flawed about us but at least we see flags from time to time.

I don't know what chance the Dogs have but I would love it if they win it.

 

[Bazzamatazz]

That is my favourite avatar.

And some people stare at the Mona Lisa for hours.. what a waste!

 

[Bazzamatazz]

I don't know what chance the Dogs have but I would love it if they win it.

It would be fantastic.. but they just feel like Willy Loman.

 

[spartan-magpie]

Nah man. We're done for the year.

After this weeks loss, the club's bottom line is going to take a MASSIVE hit as members and attendances drop off a cliff. Which is for the best. We as supporters need to send a message to the club because this is absolute bullshit currently.

For a massive club that likes to blow it's own horn when it comes to it's off field strength, we're a disgrace on field.

If we don't win this week, we are rooted. I think and hope it's not going to happen.

 

[Moose1414]

Opposition supporter still lurking. For the record I still think round 3 is too early to write off a season and don't believe in sacking coaches mid season either, so hope to see Bucks given the year before any decision is made.

I must admit, I do find the 2009 succession plan one of the AFL's most fascinating moments in history. What is amazing to me though is how the man who conceived and implemented it manages to escape any responsibility for the choices he made as President and the impact that has had on the footy club.

My mind boggles at Eddie saying, in round 3!, that he would have no problems sacking Bucks if he thought it was best for the club. Is there anyone on this earth who can sack Ed or is he essentially the boss of Collingwood for life? This is a man who thought sacking [or having a "succession plan"] MM at the hight of Premiership mode was the best decision for the club. What evidence is there other than Ed's opinion is there that this was the right call? He's made some huge calls, and yes that might be his job. But if footy clubs are all about accountability, why is it no-one gets to hold him accountable for how those calls turn out?

I think its very unfair that a decision made by Ed is always reduced to a trashing of the reputations of 2 great servants of the club who were both dealt a raw hand, by him.

Mick took the club to 4 Grand Finals and delivered a Premiership. His legacy speaks for itself, I don't begrudge him at all for being bitter or taking pot shots at the President of the club because in the history of the game no individual has been asked to swallow a more bitter pill than coaching his last game in a losing GF when you 100% want to keep coaching, are committed to coaching and have the players. To me its one of the most heartbreaking stories in footy.

Similarly, Bucks build a legacy as a player as an all time great. Its a shame for him that he probably won't go on to be a career coach or have the sort of impact as a coach that he would of wanted. The way I remember it, in 2009 he was hungry to be a Senior coach and there were opportunities at other clubs and was not seeking to usurp MM at all, but keen to pursue those other opportunities. He told Eddie as much and Eddie decided that Nathan Buckley being involved with a club other than Collingwood was unacceptable. In Ed's estimation Mick was done as a coach and the future of Collingwood was under Nathan Buckley.

Unfortunately for Ed, Mick proved he very much still had what it takes and promptly broke a 20 year Premiership drought, then immediately backed it up finishing top of the ladder and returning to the GF in 2012. I very much doubt that after that Nathan would of resisted if the succession plan was revisited in light of the extraordinary events that followed signing that deal. But Eddie had complete confidence the success was sustainable without Mick. Was it?

What would of happened at any other club is probably Bucks getting a senior job at another club and cutting his teeth for 2 or 3 years while Micks Premiership window closed and he was allowed to leave the game on his terms. Collingwood are then in the market for a senior coach and an uncontracted Bucks comes back to Collingwood to great fanfare and importantly, a more experienced and capable operator. Its actually quite extraordinary that that is not how it happened. The reason it didn't was because the risk of Bucks having huge success at another club and not wanting to come back [which i think history suggests wouldn't of happened] was judged more likely by Eddie than the 2012 team not performing to the same level in 2013 without the coach that built it. That to me was incredibly suspect judgement, the foolishness of which is supported by the 5 year slide since.

Now its 2016 and the members are getting impatient and Eddie says he'll not hesitate to sack Bucks if things don't improve. Did Nathan Buckley appoint himself? Did MM walk away from the game because he didn't want to coach anymore? Who is ultimately responsible for the performance of the team more than Eddie?

 

[sr36]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...urne-says-nathan-buckley-20160414-go67kw.html

Is anyone not alarmed reading this?

Here we all are for weeks now talking at how negative and boring our football and style of play has become and then the coach comes out with this?

This reeks of a guy desperate to save his job, rather than for the betterment of the club.

Play some entertaining football for crying out loud. We can then at least hang our hat on something.

If we go ultra defensive and still get pumped by Melbourne, that would just be an absolute train wreck.

Have you watched us this year? Suring up our defence has to be the highest priority.

 

[PieBeast]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...urne-says-nathan-buckley-20160414-go67kw.html

Is anyone not alarmed reading this?

Here we all are for weeks now talking at how negative and boring our football and style of play has become and then the coach comes out with this?

This reeks of a guy desperate to save his job, rather than for the betterment of the club.

Play some entertaining football for crying out loud. We can then at least hang our hat on something.

If we go ultra defensive and still get pumped by Melbourne, that would just be an absolute train wreck.

Basically more of the same just even more dour

 

[sr36]

Well now you just sound like my wife, of course I can sustain it, I'm in great shape.

Bloody hell. I thought that was a photo of yourself. I was about to PM you.

 

[Kappa]

Have you watched us this year? Suring up our defence has to be the highest priority.

The best defence is a good offence...

We simply don't have the personal in our defensive half for it to ever be "good", what we need is for our midfielders to start actually doing something and our forwards to lock the ball in our half more often. If anyone bothered to apply some pressure that would help everything too

 

[ksardog]

Have you watched us this year? Suring up our defence has to be the highest priority.

Cant be sure if our defence is as bad as scores against suggest. Dont get me wrong, its not great.
Think it has a lot more to do with our players guarding grass and not playing on an opponent.

 

[sr36]

The best defence is a good offence...

We simply don't have the personal in our defensive half for it to ever be "good", what we need is for our midfielders to start actually doing something and our forwards to lock the ball in our half more often. If anyone bothered to apply some pressure that would help everything too

I'd argue that regarding our defenders, we have the personnel to be defensively good, but we don't have the personnel to be offensively good. Brown, Toovey and Frost are very good defensively. Reid and Goldsack are pretty good. I'm not really sure about Sinclair and Langdon.

 

[sr36]

Cant be sure if our defence is as bad as scores against suggest. Dont get me wrong, its not great.
Think it has a lot more to do with our players guarding grass and not playing on an opponent.

I agree. I wasn't talking about the players. I was talking about our defensive system.