Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[Maggie5]

Who knows what to make of Buckley. I believe the players effort is pretty solid and the response last night shows the "care" for him. But we are just so inconsistent for so long.

Actually watching the replay last night, the real ''care'' I saw was for each other, especially after Sidebottom's goal and at the end of the game.
Relief and reward for effort.
Have they turned the corner? I really don't know but am hoping.

 

[No SPIN]

So the players have to do Buckley's coaching for him? Actually that sounds about right.

Very naive post - as if a player is actually going to divulge what truly happened.

Sadly this weeks turnaround, must have had you crawling up in your bed in the foetal position.

 

[Run n Spread]

So the players have to do Buckley's coaching for him? Actually that sounds about right.

No. Part of the problem has been thou we keep having to wait until Q time/Half time to reset and by that stage the game is gone.

Actually better players take ownership themselves and make adjustments when things go South. (Actually happened in the 2 Q once hawks got 43 up).

 

[MyManLynch]

As 4 time Premiership coach Leigh Mathews once said...once the game commences it's pretty much up to the 18 (22) on the ground...the coach has limited impact game day (a few positional changes etc).
The preparation, training, game plan, tactics all mean nothing if the players can't execute on the day...

 

[Spatfers]

Buckley vindicated? Look back at the putrid performances against Richmond/Essendon/Carlton.

A comeback against a bunch of depleted front-runners doesn't erase the previous garbage.

 

[peter9789]

Buckley vindicated? Look back at the putrid performances against Richmond/Essendon/Carlton.

A comeback against a bunch of depleted front-runners doesn't erase the previous garbage.

Hmmm.... Hawthorn 43 points up with the 4 time premiership winning coach in charge and they still couldn't conjure a win. Credit where credit is due to Buckley.

If he coached 'putridly' against Richmond, Essendon and Carlton, then sure if you have a balanced view then you applaud his coaching against one of the all time great coaches who had a 43 points head start?

 

[Spatfers]

Hmmm.... Hawthorn 43 points up with the 4 time premiership winning coach in charge and they still couldn't conjure a win. Credit where credit is due to Buckley.

If he coached 'putridly' against Richmond, Essendon and Carlton, then sure if you have a balanced view then you applaud his coaching against one of the all time great coaches who had a 43 points head start?

Yeah great win, but it doesn't cancel out previous garbage performances. And it wasn't a 43 point head start, it was an abysmal first 1.5 quarter performance from the same coach.

BTW, that premiership coach took over the 15th placed club and won a flag in his 4th season. I wish Buckley was half the coach Clarkson is.

 

[Markfs]

a lot of positives to be drawn from the win.... plenty of booing in the first half... lots of criticism from the channel 7 commentators although Lingy did squib out in the second half and say that mitchell needed to do more...

the general feeling that, while it was a win, it wasnt an earth-shattering turning the corner sort of win, so we're still on plan with getting rid of buckley..

while next week could shore up buckley's position even more, it's a fantastic opportunity to get a real body blow to the buckley cause if the Lions get their act together...

we just need to keep the faith and take one game at a time and we'll have a new coach next year and a new range of opportunities for all, with new stories to tell and new analysis to tell the world about. i'm feeling positive about the next 12 months

 

[sideswipe]

a lot of positives to be drawn from the win.... plenty of booing in the first half... lots of criticism from the channel 7 commentators although Lingy did squib out in the second half and say that mitchell needed to do more...

the general feeling that, while it was a win, it wasnt an earth-shattering turning the corner sort of win, so we're still on plan with getting rid of buckley..

while next week could shore up buckley's position even more, it's a fantastic opportunity to get a real body blow to the buckley cause if the Lions get their act together...

we just need to keep the faith and take one game at a time and we'll have a new coach next year and a new range of opportunities for all, with new stories to tell and new analysis to tell the world about. i'm feeling positive about the next 12 months

Kind of amusing - but at the end of the day you are joking about barracking against your own team which is disturbing.

Pies will keep on improving. Footy at Collingwood is fun again. Still a chance to get to 12+ wins for the year. Bucks stays.

 

[peter9789]

Yeah great win, but it doesn't cancel out previous garbage performances. And it wasn't a 43 point head start, it was an abysmal first 1.5 quarter performance from the same coach.

BTW, that premiership coach took over the 15th placed club and won a flag in his 4th season. I wish Buckley was half the coach Clarkson is.

Show me a great coach and I'll show you an even better list.

Each to their own. I'm not in the conga line of Buckley hater or lovers. I'm kinda in the middle.

Not all the coaches fault but he cops the blame - fair enough I say.

Players took some responsibility on the weekend and turned things around. Young teams take time to get the maturity and footballing nous to do it.

Bucks most probably wont be coaching next year, but not much changes I think if we change the coach, except the majority of the team will be a little older and wiser.

Go PIES

 

[Spatfers]

Show me a great coach and I'll show you an even better list.

Each to their own. I'm not in the conga line of Buckley hater or lovers. I'm kinda in the middle.

Not all the coaches fault but he cops the blame - fair enough I say.

Players took some responsibility on the weekend and turned things around. Young teams take time to get the maturity and footballing nous to do it.

Bucks most probably wont be coaching next year, but not much changes I think if we change the coach, except the majority of the team will be a little older and wiser.

Go PIES

I agree mate, I don't hate Bucks either and I really wanted him to succeed, but he was set up to fail. Clarkson had so much experience before he started as senior coach and it obviously held him in great stead.

 

[Maggie5]

Kind of amusing - but at the end of the day you are joking about barracking against your own team which is disturbing.

Pies will keep on improving. Footy at Collingwood is fun again. Still a chance to get to 12+ wins for the year. Bucks stays.

You need to give Markfs a break, hasn't been in this thread consistently for a while as been busy with his media and administration threads.

He does get better with his jokes but do agree he needs some new ones.

 

[loki04]

You need to give Markfs a break, hasn't been in this thread consistently for a while as been busy with his media and administration threads.

He does get better with his jokes but do agree he needs some new ones.

Bout 8 years of him doing that "running joke" with me like this for last 8 years:

 

[Rohan25]

BTW, that premiership coach took over the 15th placed club and won a flag in his 4th season. I wish Buckley was half the coach Clarkson is.

Yes he did, and Clarkson will rightly go down as an AFL legend, but there were other factors at play as well.

For starters, Clarkson's recruiters obliged by handing Franklin, Roughead and Lewis to him 5 minutes after he got there. Picking three Hall of Famers in a fairly ordinary draft (J.Russell taken at pick 9) was a step in the right direction.

Clarkson was gutsy enough to go in and immediately move on club stalwarts and fan favourites ie (Graham, Barlow, Tallis and more), some of whom clearly had years of good football in front of them (ie Thompson). He backed it up the following year by retiring a bunch more faded veterans like Lekkas and Holland.

Does it sound familiar? I would contend that Buckley attempted to follow this blueprint almost to the letter. He got into the first round of the draft as soon as he could (5 first rounders in 2012-13)but his recruiters didn't give him the same quality. Only Grundy was a success, jury out on Scharenberg but TB, BK and NF were abject failures.

Now I hear people saying "That's all well and good, but what about match day???"
In 2005 and 2006 - even well into 2007 when they made finals again, Clarkson introduced a game plan that even his most ardent supporters would not have been able to describe to you. Hawks fans were bewildered at why his players were positioning themselves the way they did, standing 10 metres adjacent to their teammates with arms in the air etc, etc. 2 low scoring games early in 2007 spring to mind. It looks like genius now, but it was not seen that way early and nearly cost him his job.

At that point, having been fortunate to be kept on after the first two years, Clarkson seemed on his last legs. The fans and the president were less than impressed. All this is forgotten about however because they managed to scrape some wins together in 2007, Franklin began to put the pieces together, they went and got the 125 kg Stewart Dew, (which seemed like an absolute farce at the time) and come 2008 the rest was history.

The team still fell away after the first flag though, missing the finals altogether in 2009. I would contend that bringing in young talent like Gunston and experienced soldiers like Burgoyne, Hale, Lake, Gibson etc., was the key to the 3-peat.

I understand that I'm simplifying things here, but if there was a blueprint or roadmap to success, I would argue that Buckley tried to follow a very similar path to what Clarkson walked.

Yes, Clarkson was the architect of it all, I'm not saying he fluked it, he will rightly go down as an AFL legend. I'm saying that just like Buckley he made some risky calls on veterans, attempted to mine the draft early on and steadfastly persisted with a bewildering and confusing game plan that had many calling for his head.

It could have been altogether different for both coaches.

 

[Darkyprotector]

Y

Buckley vindicated? Look back at the putrid performances against Richmond/Essendon/Carlton.

A comeback against a bunch of depleted front-runners doesn't erase the previous garbage.[/QUOTE

You didn't watch
The second half of footy was and is the best you would see so far this year IMO
Total turn around , we're able to assert themselves from the pits to domination of a team we haven't beaten in 9 goes ,
You don't want much

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Jeckle - Buckley's game plan for a 1-2 goal avg per qrt.
Hyde - Players rejecting Buckley's game plan for a 5-6 goal avg per qrt.

Great eg of this v Hawthorn.

 

[Go Woods]

Yeah great win, but it doesn't cancel out previous garbage performances. And it wasn't a 43 point head start, it was an abysmal first 1.5 quarter performance from the same coach.

BTW, that premiership coach took over the 15th placed club and won a flag in his 4th season. I wish Buckley was half the coach Clarkson is.

After the weekends result I am gravely concerned Ed's putting the finishing touches to a 5 year extension

 

[Markfs]

Kind of amusing - but at the end of the day you are joking about barracking against your own team which is disturbing.

Pies will keep on improving. Footy at Collingwood is fun again. Still a chance to get to 12+ wins for the year. Bucks stays.

you are easily disturbed.... btw is that last paragraph a hari krishna chant?

 

[jmac70]

After the weekends result I am gravely concerned Ed's putting the finishing touches to a 5 year extension

I think the extension needs to be at least five years to give us the best chance of back to back flags.

 

[Markfs]

You need to give Markfs a break, hasn't been in this thread consistently for a while as been busy with his media and administration threads.

He does get better with his jokes but do agree he needs some new ones.

i didnt know i was joking... have i entered a parallel universe where there's a BF forum where people dont say the same old stuff week after week? Then i'll endeavour to improve myself.

Thanks for running protection against the big bad bully but we need to treat him with care because he has delusions of being right all the time..

 

[BringouttheGimp]

After the weekends result I am gravely concerned Ed's putting the finishing touches to a 5 year extension

If that's the case.. Imma have an ambulance on standby..

 

[left at home]

Bucks and this team are not out of the woods yet, the next few games leading into the bye will give us an idea if we have turned the corner or not.
For the team and bucks l hope so, but l am not sure yet.

 

[si tacuisses]

I still think he's gone... Which makes me sad, although if it's going to happen it's best if it happens soon.

But also can only happen when we're in a real hole, otherwise will leave half the fan-base asking what-if.

But I think we tend to scapegoat coaches and to imagine they have some magical ability to change the course of games. Very few do. Many coaches with no great gameday nous won multiple premierships (e.g. Bomber, Malthouse). Like an abrasive loser might break a team, but once you've got an average coach, the next step up usually comes from somewhere else.

We just like to blame the coach cos they're front and centre and because unlike the players we can just hire and fire when we feel like.

 

[Adz]

Ralph confirms: GIVE HIM THE EXTENSION

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/05/22/ralph-says-sign-bucks-long-term/

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Ralph confirms: GIVE HIM THE EXTENSION

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/05/22/ralph-says-sign-bucks-long-term/

If Bucks can win a final this season, then I'm fine with a 2 year extension. If he can't, then see you later.