Game Day The 2025 Draft Day Thread

[UseR2006]

And a song to sing as we watch,

Hey Matty Clarke by Kevin (Random260) Wilson :

Hey Matty Clarke you campaigner, where the **** is Sharp
I’ve looked at all these other spuds and there’s no one that I like
I wrote you a ****ing letter and posted about it twice
You dopey ****ing Richmond fart, you forgot my ****ing Sharp

If I wanted a stupid ruckman type, I would’ve bloody asked
And this half back flank and temu mid, you can shove right up your arse
You’ve stuffed the bloody order up, it’s enough to make you spew
But it’s not just me who’s snakey, SGIO is dirty too

Next time I come to see ya, I’m going to punch you in the guts
And I’ll sack the other recruiting knobs and kick Toddy in the nuts
You just wait 'til next year when you go back to the draft
And me and me little GIO come stomping through the door
And we'll say, yeah, you wait for it

Hey Pyke and Woosh you smell his breath
And check his bloodshot eyes
And don't listen to him eagles fans 'cause he tells ****ing lies
He's just a ****ing useless campaigner and he's not even very bright
'Cause the stupid ****in' w***er, forgot me ****in' Sharp

Hey Matty Clarke you campaigner, where the **** is Sharp
I’ve looked at all these other spuds and there’s no one that I like
I wrote you a ****ing letter and posted about it twice
You dopey ****ing Richmond fart, you forgot my ****ing Sharp

A Quick Ai rendition: https://suno.com/s/blQP3cSnulhqYb5g
It's funny how it interrupted the lyrics XD

 

[larrikin]

Yeah I dont think we were blind sided or mis managed the situation, we simply didn't rate them that high

Which, given the reigning premiers did (rate one of them at least), its pretty fair to question whether our recruiting staff have made the right call

We'll find out in 5 years or so

I’d suggest Brisbane’s risk profile on drafting is currently vastly different to ours.

 

[stallon]

He should be, because that's not the equation.

Banfield was a F/S and got bid on at pick 40+ he would have cost us nothing.

So the true comparison here was
Banfield + whatever we could trade pick 29 for, vs Allen.

I would be very surprised if we couldn't have got a F2 for 29.

That is the question that was I was responding to though??

 

[Forward Press]

They both have looked good enough to get on the list. Especially at the expense of guys on our list who clearly won’t make it.

Banfield won Claremont a flag with one of the most dominant finals campaigns you’ll see and Evans was being talked about as a first round talent who had injury problems. Both more than worth the gamble on.

Sure, but again it's entirely due to their last names.

I mean I know very little about Sam Allen, but from the basic reading I've done so far he seems more worthy of a punt than Charlie Banfield and Koby Evans.

I think they should have been added anyway, don't get me wrong, and Cripps/Barnett being moved to the rookie list has been done ad nauseum...but in the end it's much of a meh-ness if they aren't on our list.

At the top end we did the right thing with Duursma, CDT and Lindsay, all three should be contributors within a couple of seasons, and by god I hope we don't stuff up their development...

 

[Shueygod]

Yeah I dont think we were blind sided or mis managed the situation, we simply didn't rate them that high

Which, given the reigning premiers did (rate one of them at least), its pretty fair to question whether our recruiting staff have made the right call

We'll find out in 5 years or so

Is the reigning premiers talent ID all that good? 80% of their key players have come from Academy/FS/FA/Trade.

 

[bzparkes]

Sure, but again it's entirely due to their last names.

I mean I know very little about Sam Allen, but from the basic reading I've done so far he seems more worthy of a punt than Charlie Banfield and Koby Evans.

I think they should have been added anyway, don't get me wrong, and Cripps/Barnett being moved to the rookie list has been done ad nauseum...but in the end it's much of a meh-ness if they aren't on our list.

At the top end we did the right thing with Duursma, CDT and Lindsay, all three should be contributors within a couple of seasons, and by god I hope we don't stuff up their development...

Jamie Maddocks seems incredibly switched on, so I have faith that our development may finally be under control.

 

[Coasters7]

Sure, but again it's entirely due to their last names.

I mean I know very little about Sam Allen, but from the basic reading I've done so far he seems more worthy of a punt than Charlie Banfield and Koby Evans.

I think they should have been added anyway, don't get me wrong, and Cripps/Barnett being moved to the rookie list has been done ad nauseum...but in the end it's much of a meh-ness if they aren't on our list.

At the top end we did the right thing with Duursma, CDT and Lindsay, all three should be contributors within a couple of seasons, and by god I hope we don't stuff up their development...

By the same token though. There’s still some quality left on the board aside from these two and we can only take one of them.

 

[The Gtrain]

Just checking...is there any chance we take ah chee, come and play with his good mates Dev and head knock?

 

[mitchzz]

Finally caught up skimming through page after page

Hard not to be a bit pissed off after that

Can't fault the guys we got, but wish we'd handled our list better to start with. Cripps, Cole or ****ing Harry Barnett all could have made way for one more list spot - and either one of Banfield or Evans.

I hope we can make up for things a bit tomorrow and select NHH or Greeves - but you get the feeling if they haven't been picked up now then it just ain't happening

Must be tough for them. Greeves especially. Sure he's not quick and apparently needs to work on his defensive game, but you can't deny he has ability, great size and incredible production this year

Excited by Wes Walley though. Hoping he can put it together

 

[Forward Press]

Evans was an NGA, nothing to do with his father

Banfield was rated because alot watched the Colts finals and he dominated it. And yes, the romance of father-son but so what. There's still room for it

Still a similar principle, if he was Koby Smith from some random Vic Metro club we wouldn't rage as much.

Again, still think both were worth a punt, but the club thought they weren't worthy of a main list spot. As some have said, only time will tell if it was the right decision. I think it was the wrong decision, but not paid the big bucks here.

 

[squashface]

Just checking...is there any chance we take ah chee, come and play with his good mates Dev and head knock?

We don't have a pick in the PSD because we don't have any list spots

 

[bzparkes]

The interview for anyone else wondering

Think you might be right about tomorrow

For those who fly into a fury at the sight/sound of Clarke and reach for their nearest voodoo doll, let me sum up a few key points(paraphrasing):

When asked on missing out on Banfield:
We went into the draft with 5 list spots as that was our 'allotment' of 18yos. We rated Allen and Williams higher.

About our list:
We're looking to 'get more athletic'. Williams and Allen are very athletic, agile and fast.

Rookie draft tomorrow
Noncommittal. Will discuss overnight. May look to bring in an SSP instead and mentioned Sandy Brock. Said most clubs will probably look to do this with rookie spots.

On the 3 SSPs we're signing next week:
We have a plan to raise our age profile as we are very young. This will help development and basically steady the list profile.


I was listening at the gym so I forget the rest but this is what stood out to me. My assumption is that they are looking for players who are fast and agile, as those players are far better on transition and defence. For years, we've carried slower plodders who looked good due to an accurate kicking game plan but you need a lot more than that these days. The kids we've picked up all seem to have good disposal though and, more importantly, appear to be able to us the ball damagingly and aren't afraid to bite off difficult kicks that open the game up.

 

[donpyke92]

We'll use all levers to improve...oh, except the one to get Crippa onto the rookie list and get free hit Banfield
Noone wants an angry Cripps
Jump up one spot just to show Liam Ryan

1

Liam Ryan

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

what he's really worth...
Wes W had a great underage year...yeh baby
I'm excited

 

[bzparkes]

Just checking...is there any chance we take ah chee, come and play with his good mates Dev and head knock?

Nah, we don't have a list spot. He's going in the PSD, which is main list I believe.

 

[chaddy22]

People are critical of our handling of our academy/father son should look that we were not the only one's to not commit to their players.

The Bombers traded up to get Sharp which meant they couldn't match for Sweid who Fremantle picked up.
They were able to get El Achkar with pick 53

Sydney didn't match a bid for Carmichael at 21 who went to the doggies.
They went 42 for Cootee and 49 for King one of their academy kids.

Brisbane didn't match Prindable at 32 but instead went Evans at 38 and Hayes at 44.

Also Magpies didn't pick Mcguane. Richmond didn't pick Kellaway (maybe they get rookied)

We are not the only ones to make seemingly harsh calls.

 

[bzparkes]

Must be tough for them. Greeves especially. Sure he's not quick and apparently needs to work on his defensive game, but you can't deny he has ability, great size and incredible production this year

If you can't defend on turnover, or be an outlet in transition, you're basically dead in the water in the current meta.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Banfield and Evans are only talked about because of their fathers.

There's a reason why they were amongst the last picked in the draft. Of course they could turn out to be 200 game guns, but the chances are low and I can understand why the club prefers mature age SSP selections this year. If it was Charlie Smith and Koby Smith with no ties to the club being taken, we wouldn't really care anywhere near as much.

Still, not exactly the best draft with losing an F2 for a one pick upgrade, and a huge punt taking a player with an ACL, but again I can see the rationale. I'm not getting paid the big bucks though, so I sure hope they know what they're doing.

Don't see the point of undervaluing them just because we chose not to pick them.
Just as fans have their own reasoning or bias for preferring one player over another, so does the club.
If they weren't good prospects they wouldn't have been poached by other teams.

 

[bzparkes]

People are critical of our handling of our academy/father son should look that we were not the only one's to not commit to their players.

The Bombers traded up to get Sharp which meant they couldn't match for Sweid who Fremantle picked up.
They were able to get El Achkar with pick 53

Sydney didn't match a bid for Carmichael at 21 who went to the doggies.
They went 42 for Cootee and 49 for King one of their academy kids.

Brisbane didn't match Prindable at 32 but instead went Evans at 38 and Hayes at 44.

Also Magpies didn't pick Mcguane. Richmond didn't pick Kellaway (maybe they get rookied)

We are not the only ones to make seemingly harsh calls.

I reckon Richmond rookie Kellaway, as they nominated him but Collingwood didn't even nominate McGuane to begin with.

 

[amazingjoshy]

For those who fly into a fury at the sight/sound of Clarke and reach for their nearest voodoo doll, let me sum up a few key points(paraphrasing):

When asked on missing out on Banfield:
We went into the draft with 5 list spots as that was our 'allotment' of 18yos. We rated Allen and Williams higher.

About our list:
We're looking to 'get more athletic'. Williams and Allen are very athletic, agile and fast.

Rookie draft tomorrow
Noncommittal. Will discuss overnight. May look to bring in an SSP instead and mentioned Sandy Brock. Said most clubs will probably look to do this with rookie spots.

On the 3 SSPs we're signing next week:
We have a plan to raise our age profile as we are very young. This will help development and basically steady the list profile.


I was listening at the gym so I forget the rest but this is what stood out to me. My assumption is that they are looking for players who are fast and agile, as those players are far better on transition and defence. For years, we've carried slower plodders who looked good due to an accurate kicking game plan but you need a lot more than that these days. The kids we've picked up all seem to have good disposal though and, more importantly, appear to be able to us the ball damagingly and aren't afraid to bite off difficult kicks that open the game up.

Given the allotment of 18 year olds comment you would think its another mature ager either tomorrow or as a train on (Blamires?)

Unless ive read that completely wrong

 

[rebel23]

Surely we don't need three elder list cloggers in the rookie draft.

Commit to Dev...flip the script and tell mcrae and Schoenberg to take a hike... And then get titchell to come down.. or just pick ahchee

At least we may be able to rookie a couple of mids that have missed out on the ND

 

[bzparkes]

Given the allotment of 18 year olds comment you would think its another mature ager either tomorrow or as a train on (Blamires?)

Unless ive read that completely wrong

My presumption would be we're probably looking at another mature player, yes.

 

[EagleMan87]

honestly im a bit scared to start venturing back into the depths of this thread i was just hoping someone would give me a light overview

 

[bzparkes]

Surely we don't need three elder list cloggers in the rookie draft.

Commit to Dev...flip the script and tell mcrae and Schoenberg to take a hike... And then get titchell to come down.. or just pick ahchee

At least we may be able to rookie a couple of mids that have missed out on the ND

You don't want 3 list cloggers yet you suggest Mitchell, who'd spend his entire season running laps on Jamieson oval and Ah Chee, who we don't have a main list spot for?

 

[amazingjoshy]

Surely we don't need three elder list cloggers in the rookie draft.

Commit to Dev...flip the script and tell mcrae and Schoenberg to take a hike... And then get titchell to come down.. or just pick ahchee

At least we may be able to rookie a couple of mids that have missed out on the ND

We've committed to those 3. They're as good as already on the list

Might be the only one but dont mind them at all given the extra spots and the list profile. They can all play and will be pushing our best 22. Reminder, we won 1 game

 

[beatlesmith]

Would prefer Blamires, or a flyer on someone like NHH, BOB or Greeves, rather than having an SSP train-on. Macrae and Schoenberg really should have been train-on candidates anyway.

The only train-on players that interest me are Elijah Hollands and Gabriel Strumpf, unless anyone has any better ideas?

 

[Farang83150]

If there a better player available you take them, couldn't care less that we don't end up with a FS or an academy player, harsh but that's the way it goes.