List Mgmt. The 5 Rebuilding Clubs - Who Has The Most Talent?

[Themanbun]

Is there a reason Sydney have been excluded?

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Is there a reason Sydney have been excluded?

Raised earlier. We are really at ground zero.

 

[Old Stuckup]

Is there a reason Sydney have been excluded?

They’re contending for finals so although they are still ‘rebuilding’ they are a lot further ahead in their development than these 5.

 

[Themanbun]

Raised earlier. We are really at ground zero.

Sorry, must have missed the discussion. IMO Sydney are at the same stage and shouldn't be excluded. Just because they don't suck on field doesn't mean they're not rebuilding their list through youth.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Saad got you Cox not Reid.

Saad got them Reid. Cox was their original first round pick.

Quite amazing how fixated Carlton supporters are about this

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Quite amazing how fixated Carlton supporters are about this

I would hate to think we gave up Cox. It is fair enough.

 

[hawkman]

This shows the all needs to be stricter with the rule regarding using first round picks. Maybe clubs shouldn't be allowed to trade future firsts.

We traded a better draft pick once in the previous decade. The rest of the draft picks were worse due to being in the top 5 between 2011 and 2016

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Interested how you could possibly have Collingwood ahead of North.

Simpkin V Daicos: https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...d2=5&type=A&pid1=6340&pid2=6319&fid1=S&fid2=S

Your thread didn’t turn out how you wanted it to eh?

 

[Cotchins Hair Piece]

How bad is your memory SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay if you don't remember 2004?

To be fair, he’s 16 so I doubt he can remember swimming around in his old man’s gonads.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I would hate to think we gave up Cox. It is fair enough.

You may have. We had three straight picks, we called them out in any order knowing that. If we only had one or two, not sure who we would’ve taken. Fair chance it could’ve been Reid first given a KPP was a big priority.

It’s the same as when we got Parish and Francis in successive picks... I remember Dodoro saying at the time that the only possible difference was perhaps slightly more public pressure with a higher draft number... he rated Francis a better player but called Parish out first for that reason, he seemed a a type to handle that better.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I'm probably not as bullish on Essendon's youth as others.

I think there's a fair bit of mayo being put on some of the kids performances to date, impressive, but they aren't the ones driving them atm. They are also still sitting 15th. The media comparing it to Port Adelaide a few years ago are absolutely taking the piss....

Merrett, Parish, McGrath and Heppell are the ones driving Essendon at the moment. The usual suspects.


They obviously have a good batch of talls for the future, but nothing absolutely earth shattering imo.


They are in danger of what they (and North) have done in the last 2 decades - Moving up the ladder too quickly, to their own lists detriment.

They still need another KPF and plenty of other list gaps in the midfield and through the flanks.

We definitely still need more talent, but the senior players aren't driving the side right now. Finding the ball a lot yes, but absolutely butchering it. The reason we've lost so many close games is score against from turnover and those guys bar Parish are the main problem.

 

[Schauermann]

Weird Fremantle and Gold Coast were left out of the OP. Both have spent the past few years rebuilding and few expected them to contend this year.

Well, I sadly have to agree with OP. Freo played no finals since 2015, so we should be contending by now.

We have only 6 players left from that year with 4 being best 22.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Hawthorn not getting much love but it's not all doom and gloom. Lewis, Jiath, Kozi, Day, Brockman, Scrimshaw, Moore, Hanrahan, Worpel, DGB, Downie, mostly look minimum afl players for 100+ games. Need a little more top end talent, but Day could potentially be a genuine star should they move him up the ground. Add a Sonsie or Sinn this year and you've got a pretty well balanced selection moving forward.

 

[WillHayward]

Crows massively under rated.
I think they are going ok

 

[The Warlord]

To be fair, he’s 16 so I doubt he can remember swimming around in his old man’s gonads.

Lol, I remember 2004 and Essendon's last final win well.

A particular highlight was going to see Team America: World Police in Toronto the night before Bush won the election.

George W Bush was President last time they won a final. They were still winning in Iraq.

So long ago! Different world.

 

[HairyO]

Hawthorn not getting much love but it's not all doom and gloom. Lewis, Jiath, Kozi, Day, Brockman, Scrimshaw, Moore, Hanrahan, Worpel, DGB, Downie, mostly look minimum afl players for 100+ games. Need a little more top end talent, but Day could potentially be a genuine star should they move him up the ground. Add a Sonsie or Sinn this year and you've got a pretty well balanced selection moving forward.

Also have Jeka who is doing very well at VFL level but still a little green for AFL. Plus his style requires a functioning midfield which we dont have.

But we do have 3 picks under 25 if a draft stacked with midfielders.

In 2023 it will be a pretty different team. Burgoyne, McEvoy, Shiels, Breust, Ceglar could all be gone. And replaced with kids.

We are already fielding teams averaging under 25 years and with 7 or 8 kids with under 20 games. Something we havent done since 2005.

 

[Psicosis]

Your thread didn’t turn out how you wanted it to eh?

Based on this poll, it turned out exactly as I had expected.

 

[Ambrosia]

Based on this poll, it turned out exactly as I had expected.

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To be honest leading at this early stage doesn’t mean a lot. It’s all about drafting and develop over the next 2-3 years.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

You may have. We had three straight picks, we called them out in any order knowing that. If we only had one or two, not sure who we would’ve taken. Fair chance it could’ve been Reid first given a KPP was a big priority.

It’s the same as when we got Parish and Francis in successive picks... I remember Dodoro saying at the time that the only possible difference was perhaps slightly more public pressure with a higher draft number... he rated Francis a better player but called Parish out first for that reason, he seemed a a type to handle that better.

Reid would have to be a hell of a player to be a better prospect than Cox. I think we’re pretty safe.

 

[the big lebowski]

We definitely still need more talent, but the senior players aren't driving the side right now. Finding the ball a lot yes, but absolutely butchering it. The reason we've lost so many close games is score against from turnover and those guys bar Parish are the main problem.

Your coach and the opposition coaches seem to disagree

AFLCA votes: Merrett top of the class in game 150

The coaches deem 150-gamer Zach Merrett best on ground in Saturday's loss to GWS.

www.essendonfc.com.au

 

[Milanista28]

Reid would have to be a hell of a player to be a better prospect than Cox. I think we’re pretty safe.

I haven't heard any actual comments but apparently over the summer people at the club said Reid would be the best of the 3, I doubt it considering what we've seen from Cox and Archie but it was nice reading.

 

[WilloTree]

Essendon for mine. Imagine how far ahead they'd be if they didn't trade consecutive 1st rounders for Shiel.

I don't think Hawks are in as bad shape as people think.

North will look better with Horne, but can't help but think how much better they would look with Logan McDonald. Quality CHF are so hard to come by.

 

[Ambrosia]

Essendon for mine. Imagine how far ahead they'd be if they didn't trade consecutive 1st rounders for Shiel.

I don't think Hawks are in as bad shape as people think.

North will look better with Horne, but can't help but think how much better they would look with Logan McDonald. Quality CHF are so hard to come by.

I’m far more annoyed at the refusal to trade Daniher for two first rounders to Sydney then our trade for Shiel.

 

[CobberRodgers]

Don’t worry Essendon will probably be close mid table next year and take their eye off the ball and start chasing finals again to the detriment of the long term premiership chances.

This is a great point, humour aside. This is probably the part where you need to be the most patient and smart with your list and you evaluation.

The right and wrong moves at this critical point, lack of patience etc are normally the difference between the endless spiral of mid table finishes and taking that next step.

Excellent point and not limited to just Essendon.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Simpkin is averaging career highs lol

Yeah but Robbo...