Society/Culture The Abortion Thread

[ShanDog]

This is an issue I’ve gone 180 degrees on. I can’t get past the question I heard Steven crowder ask (on his I’m pro life, change my mind videos) in When is it okay to end a life?
I once had an opinion that within the first trimester it is okay to abort under the right circumstances but after listening to many varied opinions on the topic that’s the question I can’t answer. Therefore I don’t think it is ok at any stage to abort. I’m just yet to be convinced any other thing matters more than the value of a human life. DNA is a life and from the moment of conception the the cells have their own individual DNA independent of their parents. It is a life however small it may be.

Saw those vids and thought the idea of the videos were very good. I tend to agree with that line of thinking but then pragmatically, if abortion isn't available, then there's all sorts of horrible consequences for both the woman involved and the future baby. Not in all circumstances - but definitely enough to be a problem that needs addressing before any argument that abortion should be illegal can be made IMO.

 

[Longjohnmire]

Saw those vids and thought the idea of the videos were very good. I tend to agree with that line of thinking but then pragmatically, of abortion isn't available, then there's all sorts of horrible consequences for both the woman involved and the future baby. Not in all circumstances - but definitely enough to be a problem that needs addressing before any argument that abortion should be illegal can be made IMO.

Maybe under extremely exceptional duress an abortion can take place but I still don’t think it is ethically right to terminate another human life. I suppose that is where the discussion lies.
Even through growing up under fostering/orphanage/adoptions many human beings make an extremely successful life and who knows what your terminating when you do. Could be the next Einstein, could be a total no hoper but isn’t that the beauty of life? Struggle is often the making of the very best. What’s the saying? The hardest steel has to go through the hottest fire or something like that..

 

[ShanDog]

Maybe under extremely exceptional duress an abortion can take place but I still don’t think it is ethically right to terminate another human life. I suppose that is where the discussion lies.
Even through growing up under fostering/orphanage/adoptions many human beings make an extremely successful life and who knows what your terminating when you do. Could be the next Einstein, could be a total no hoper but isn’t that the beauty of life? Struggle is often the making of the very best. What’s the saying? The hardest steel has to go through the hottest fire or something like that..

All true and well, but those quips don't mean much to the unwanted child being shuffled around through underfunded and poorly managed government care facilities for the most critical stages of their development. That's the situation right now. Generally speaking, nothing good comes of those places.

 

[demondavey]

I definitely approve. I believe that people have a choice to be parents and not carers given the circumstances. We need to understand that the implications for aborting an unhealthy fetus are made with intentions in the best interest of many people involved. Also aborting a fetus that is conceived due to crime is something I firmly believe in.

Anti abortion activists are mostly brainwashed conservative Christian’s with no understanding of the realities of society or how society works. As a parent already, I would not want to have another child bought into the world if he/she had complications that would impact my ability to parent my current child adequately or compromise my life to a point where I am simply caring for a mentally or physically impaired shell that will be starting off disadvantaged.

When woman are r*ped and become pregnant, I wholeheartedly agree that the implications socially are horrific for that woman and her family. How can anyone deem it fair? You are essentially forcing something on that victim again. You are raping her again.

 

[ShanDog]

When woman are r*ped and become pregnant, I wholeheartedly agree that the implications socially are horrific for that woman and her family. How can anyone deem it fair? You are essentially forcing something on that victim again. You are raping her again.

It's a shitty situation to put it mildly. For those who take the stance that a fetus is a life though, the circumstance often doesn't matter to them. The child had no less say in how they were conceived than the woman r*ped. From the position of 'life begins at conception', the logic stands up. Doesn't make it any nicer though, of course.

 

[Pie eyed]

I doubt it would, since pregnancy isn't known at that time.

My error I think I have confused RU486, which I was referring too

 

[Toump Ass]

This is an issue I’ve gone 180 degrees on. I can’t get past the question I heard Steven crowder ask (on his I’m pro life, change my mind videos) in When is it okay to end a life?

What do you consider life?

Personally I don't think a bunch of cells constitutes life. Consciousness is life. Not sure when the consensus is on this- 5 months?

 

[Toump Ass]

Being aborted still doesn't cut it as a better outcome than being unloved IMO though. If you see an unborn, developing fetus as a life that is.

There's enough rancid humans born from shitty people already infecting the planet.

What does Unloved Child #10 born to Mr & Mrs Unemployable-Bonghead have to offer society? Nothing.

Abortion's are great, under the right circumstances they should be encouraged.

 

[ShanDog]

There's enough rancid humans born from shitty people already infecting the planet.

What does Unloved Child #10 born to Mr & Mrs Unemployable-Bonghead have to offer society? Nothing.

Abortion's are great, under the right circumstances they should be encouraged.

Do you justify your existence?

 

[ChampRevesby]

What do you consider life?

Personally I don't think a bunch of cells constitutes life. Consciousness is life. Not sure when the consensus is on this- 5 months?

When you are asleep you are unconscious, when you are "knocked out" or in a coma, you are unconscious, does that mean you are no longer worthy of life when you are in this state?

 

[Lethality]

What does Unloved Child #10 born to Mr & Mrs Unemployable-Bonghead have to offer society? Nothing.

You could make that point about most of the population. Now what?

 

[King Brown]

There's enough rancid humans born from shitty people already infecting the planet.

What does Unloved Child #10 born to Mr & Mrs Unemployable-Bonghead have to offer society? Nothing.

Abortion's are great, under the right circumstances they should be encouraged.

People forget that abortion was pioneered by eugenicists. Thanks for reminding everyone.

 

[cartwright]

All true and well, but those quips don't mean much to the unwanted child being shuffled around through underfunded and poorly managed government care facilities for the most critical stages of their development. That's the situation right now. Generally speaking, nothing good comes of those places.

And then, they can fend for themselves once they turn 18

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...s/news-story/b621aa27c9213181a581ade391c714da

 

[ShanDog]

And then, they can fend for themselves once they turn 18

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...s/news-story/b621aa27c9213181a581ade391c714da

Yep. Wife and I have fostered a teen girl under guardianship of the minister. After 18 years of age, the support just disappears and they move into regular Joe status like everyone else. From what I've seen, that's just not enough for kids who have been removed from families due to neglect and abuse.

 

[cartwright]

Yep. Wife and I have fostered a teen girl under guardianship of the minister. After 18 years of age, the support just disappears and they move into regular Joe status like everyone else. From what I've seen, that's just not enough for kids who have been removed from families due to neglect and abuse.

Yep. They are not equipped to look after themselves. They have to find accomodation, let alone worry about higher education/ trades.
They’re on their own and many drift into homelessness.

 

[Boston tiger]

There's enough rancid humans born from shitty people already infecting the planet.

What does Unloved Child #10 born to Mr & Mrs Unemployable-Bonghead have to offer society? Nothing.

Abortion's are great, under the right circumstances they should be encouraged.

Don’t forget Mr and Mrs professional that chuck unloved bub into child care at 6 months.

 

[MWPP]

An old article , but one which made me think, despite being pro-choice
https://www.nationalreview.com/2016...de-unborn-children-women-feminism-march-life/

 

[MWPP]

Don’t forget Mr and Mrs professional that chuck unloved bub into child care at 6 months.

I hope you aren’t implying that parents who put their infants in childcare don’t love their kids :/

 

[Boston tiger]

I hope you aren’t implying that parents who put their infants in childcare don’t love their kids :/

Just implying that it’s not just the unemployed druggies that are doing the half arsed parenting.

 

[MWPP]

Just implying that it’s not just the unemployed druggies that are doing the half arsed parenting.

Assuming you’re trolling because they aren’t even remotely comparable
(And nor is putting a child into childcare “half arsed” parenting)
For the record I don’t have kids
But I do work with kids of all ages on a daily basis

 

[Boston tiger]

Assuming you’re trolling because they aren’t even remotely comparable
(And nor is putting a child into childcare “half arsed” parenting)
For the record I don’t have kids
But I do work with kids of all ages on a daily basis

Well I have kids and I also work with kids at different ages and the ones that have been institutionalised as infants have missed out..

That’s just a fact I know it’s the elephant in the room... but if f me it’s pretty basic stuff.

 

[ShanDog]

Well I have kids and I also work with kids at different ages and the ones that have been institutionalised as infants have missed out..

That’s just a fact I know it’s the elephant in the room... but if f me it’s pretty basic stuff.

There are positives and negatives with childcare. You can't put a blanket "It's bad" over it. People use it at different rates and not all childcare facilities are equal.

 

[Toump Ass]

Well I have kids and I also work with kids at different ages and the ones that have been institutionalised as infants have missed out..

Total bullshit. You could just as easily say children who didn't attend childcare "missed out" on regular interaction & activities with their social group while being forced to sit at home unattended in the corner of the house while their mother shagged the postman.

Do you justify your existence?

I don't need to buddy, I'm already here!

You could make that point about most of the population. Now what?

Breeding licenses? Compulsory and permanent sterilisation of people who I deem unfit for parenting?

Really though, some people just aren't capable of being parents. If they choose to abort, it's for the benefit of all society. So we should encourage this.

When you are asleep you are unconscious, when you are "knocked out" or in a coma, you are unconscious, does that mean you are no longer worthy of life when you are in this state?

Assuming it's not a permanent state, of course not.

You need to draw a line somewhere. At 3 months a foetus is nothing more than the stain on my sheets.

 

[Lethality]

Really though, some people just aren't capable of being parents. If they choose to abort, it's for the benefit of all society. So we should encourage this.

Sounds like something Hitler would say.

 

[Boston tiger]

Total bullshit. You could just as easily say children who didn't attend childcare "missed out" on regular interaction & activities with their social group while being forced to sit at home unattended in the corner of the house while their mother shagged the postman.

I don't need to buddy, I'm already here!

Breeding licenses? Compulsory and permanent sterilisation of people who I deem unfit for parenting?

Really though, some people just aren't capable of being parents. If they choose to abort, it's for the benefit of all society. So we should encourage this.

Assuming it's not a permanent state, of course not.

You need to draw a line somewhere. At 3 months a foetus is nothing more than the stain on my sheets.

And here you are.