The Academies - 2016

[dlanod]

An extra 400k to pay your list is handy, when only two clubs get it. It helps them to retain players.

That's all I'm saying.

No, you were saying it's a salary cap increase which it isn't. It's a payment from the AFL only payable to players on a below average wage. Don't mischaracterise it.

 

[CallumMills2020]

An extra 400k to pay your list is handy, when only two clubs get it. It helps them to retain players.

That's all I'm saying.

How well has it worked keeping those elite Victorian players??

The main ideas of the Academies are to foster and develop local talent and also help address the go home factor.

GWS committed to the Academy so much to the extent they will take lower ranked players.

The other clubs are just angry because this year there is an inordinate amount of high end talent from there and next year's gun mid Spargo is from there.

They all want that kid.

 

[Suma Magic]

No, you were saying it's a salary cap increase which it isn't. It's a payment from the AFL only payable to players on a below average wage. Don't mischaracterise it.

I don't mind how it's characterised.

I claimed they are getting retention concessions. I was questioned on it. I responded to those questions explaining exactly what I was referring to.

 

[Suma Magic]

How well has it worked keeping those elite Victorian players??

The main ideas of the Academies are to foster and develop local talent and also help address the go home factor.

GWS committed to the Academy so much to the extent they will take lower ranked players.

The other clubs are just angry because this year there is an inordinate amount of high end talent from there and next year's gun mid Spargo is from there.

They all want that kid.

400k is 400k. Just be happy that you have it.

 

[go_the_dockers]

How well has it worked keeping those elite Victorian players??

The main ideas of the Academies are to foster and develop local talent and also help address the go home factor.

GWS committed to the Academy so much to the extent they will take lower ranked players.

The other clubs are just angry because this year there is an inordinate amount of high end talent from there and next year's gun mid Spargo is from there.

They all want that kid.

4 top 10 picks in 1 year. Freo have not had a top 10 pick in 5 years, and you get 4 in the 1 year.

Soon you will have 80% of your players from your home state, while Fremantle will have 40%.

For the evenness of the competition, something has to give.

 

[dlanod]

I don't mind how it's characterised.

I claimed they are getting retention concessions. I was questioned on it. I responded to those questions explaining exactly what I was referring to.

I do wish they'd strip the WA, SA and Victorian clubs of their recruitment and retention concessions, by which I mean the third-party payment system.

 

[Suma Magic]

I do wish they'd strip the WA, SA and Victorian clubs of their recruitment and retention concessions, by which I mean the third-party payment system.

I'm all for moves towards equality in recruitment and retention. I'd also support a removal of discounts for father/sons for example.

 

[dlanod]

4 top 10 picks in 1 year. Freo have not had a top 10 pick in 5 years, and you get 4 in the 1 year.

They won't be top 10 picks by the end of the year. Northern kids start the year rated highly and then slide significantly as other kids come through the Championships. Hell, they're not even top 10 picks now if you look at the phantom drafts board.

Soon you will have 80% of your players from your home state, while Fremantle will have 40%.

For the evenness of the competition, something has to give.

Once the northern clubs get to parity (40-60%) of homegrown talent with other clubs the academies will stop allowing players straight on to club lists. That's a given. Most of the clubs are currently below 25%, and were even lower before the academies. You're attacking a strawman with the 80% figure.

 

[Colonial]

It does, but still remains higher than 16 other clubs (as Giants and Swans get an ongoing rent subsidy).

Id reply but someone else has explained it allot better above.

 

[Suma Magic]

Id reply but someone else has explained it allot better above.

Agree. We got there in the end, so now it should be clear (in regards to your original question) that you do have retention concessions.

 

[RUNVS]

I would genuinely like to see a journalist research how many players have been drafted from the Riverina between 2000 and 2012, with particular emphasis on how many were first round draft picks.

 

[Balony_pony16]

An extra 400k to pay your list is handy, when only two clubs get it. It helps them to retain players.

That's all I'm saying.

An extra 400k... wow. I wonder how much extra the footy state clubs get extra for players with off field deals & endorsements etc... Often when footy state teams go poaching non-footy state club players they do so with little side deals worked out for then as a cherry on the top

 

[Balony_pony16]

On Academies, the GWS one is a farce. The Academies should be used to target non-footy areas to bring young talent into the game they would other wise not play. Heeney is a good example. The Riverina area is a AFL heavy area with kids playing the game. No Academy should have any access to it. Take Matt Kennedy, His whole family going back generations played the game. He has 2 brothers currently playing which he played with instead of doing the under u18's champs. You wont hear people say thank god for the Academy or Kennedy would not be playing the game. GWS should focus more on West Sydney and grow the game there.

 

[CallumMills2020]

On Academies, the GWS one is a farce. The Academies should be used to target non-footy areas to bring young talent into the game they would other wise not play. Heeney is a good example. The Riverina area is a AFL heavy area with kids playing the game. No Academy should have any access to it. Take Matt Kennedy, His whole family going back generations played the game. He has 2 brothers currently playing which he played with instead of doing the under u18's champs. You wont hear people say thank god for the Academy or Kennedy would not be playing the game. GWS should focus more on West Sydney and grow the game there.

That last comment is really ignorant. The GWS team was designed by the AFL with full support of all clubs to have a strong 2nd team in Sydney to take advantage of the fastest growing area in NSW.

That said, there were little or no established pathways for players into the AFL. These parts are rugby league strongholds and will take decades not years for the AFL to make a meaningful impression and create relevant junior leagues.

In the time it takes to do that GWS in particular needs help. Most clubs have at least a 20 year head start in terms of membership and sponsorship and the majority of clubs are located in states where AFL is the number 1 sport for participation and support.

GWS is in the most multicultural part of Australia where AFL is not number 1 or 2 but actually number 3 in terms of codes from an interest perspective.

With that in mind this franchise must be successful on the field for it to have any chance to compete with other codes for the hearts and minds of its constituents.

In the lead time it takes for GWS to capture those hearts and minds and for it to develop meaningful pathways to source local talent it simply must have sole access to the talent rich Riverina.

There is no point for GWS to be present to act solely as a feeder club for others in the competition (as much as morons such as Eddie Mcguire would like) it needs to be a strong team with strong foundation.

My belief is that they should have this region until they produce their first father-son candidate. Otherwise for parity the AFL will need to dispense with the Father - Son rule and any other rule that potentially creates an imbalance (notably the international rookie rule which I believe Mason Cox was drawn from).

The AFL and its participants need to decide if they want a national sport or if they want a domestic competition. If they want a national sport they must give full and ongoing support to developing areas or just forget the whole thing.

 

[Suma Magic]

An extra 400k... wow. I wonder how much extra the footy state clubs get extra for players with off field deals & endorsements etc... Often when footy state teams go poaching non-footy state club players they do so with little side deals worked out for then as a cherry on the top

400k is 400k. Its nothing to be sneezed at. Many swans players would still be getting decent endorsement deals.

But I agree that if northern clubs aren't getting any value out of regulated endorsement deals then the system needs to change. Not fair if no lions players can earn these deals and other clubs are maximizing their allowance.

 

[Balony_pony16]

400k is 400k. Its nothing to be sneezed at. Many swans players would still be getting decent endorsement deals.

But I agree that if northern clubs aren't getting any value out of regulated endorsement deals then the system needs to change. Not fair if no lions players can earn these deals and other clubs are maximizing their allowance.

I think all side deals/endorsements should be released publicly. Would be interesting reading

 

[isamedthegiants]

That last comment is really ignorant. The GWS team was designed by the AFL with full support of all clubs to have a strong 2nd team in Sydney to take advantage of the fastest growing area in NSW.

That said, there were little or no established pathways for players into the AFL. These parts are rugby league strongholds and will take decades not years for the AFL to make a meaningful impression and create relevant junior leagues.

In the time it takes to do that GWS in particular needs help. Most clubs have at least a 20 year head start in terms of membership and sponsorship and the majority of clubs are located in states where AFL is the number 1 sport for participation and support.

GWS is in the most multicultural part of Australia where AFL is not number 1 or 2 but actually number 3 in terms of codes from an interest perspective.

With that in mind this franchise must be successful on the field for it to have any chance to compete with other codes for the hearts and minds of its constituents.

In the lead time it takes for GWS to capture those hearts and minds and for it to develop meaningful pathways to source local talent it simply must have sole access to the talent rich Riverina.

There is no point for GWS to be present to act solely as a feeder club for others in the competition (as much as morons such as Eddie Mcguire would like) it needs to be a strong team with strong foundation.

My belief is that they should have this region until they produce their first father-son candidate. Otherwise for parity the AFL will need to dispense with the Father - Son rule and any other rule that potentially creates an imbalance (notably the international rookie rule which I believe Mason Cox was drawn from).

The AFL and its participants need to decide if they want a national sport or if they want a domestic competition. If they want a national sport they must give full and ongoing support to developing areas or just forget the whole thing.

I like you.

I really, really like you.

 

[Balony_pony16]

That last comment is really ignorant. The GWS team was designed by the AFL with full support of all clubs to have a strong 2nd team in Sydney to take advantage of the fastest growing area in NSW.

That said, there were little or no established pathways for players into the AFL. These parts are rugby league strongholds and will take decades not years for the AFL to make a meaningful impression and create relevant junior leagues.

In the time it takes to do that GWS in particular needs help. Most clubs have at least a 20 year head start in terms of membership and sponsorship and the majority of clubs are located in states where AFL is the number 1 sport for participation and support.

GWS is in the most multicultural part of Australia where AFL is not number 1 or 2 but actually number 3 in terms of codes from an interest perspective.

With that in mind this franchise must be successful on the field for it to have any chance to compete with other codes for the hearts and minds of its constituents.

In the lead time it takes for GWS to capture those hearts and minds and for it to develop meaningful pathways to source local talent it simply must have sole access to the talent rich Riverina.

There is no point for GWS to be present to act solely as a feeder club for others in the competition (as much as morons such as Eddie Mcguire would like) it needs to be a strong team with strong foundation.

My belief is that they should have this region until they produce their first father-son candidate. Otherwise for parity the AFL will need to dispense with the Father - Son rule and any other rule that potentially creates an imbalance (notably the international rookie rule which I believe Mason Cox was drawn from).

The AFL and its participants need to decide if they want a national sport or if they want a domestic competition. If they want a national sport they must give full and ongoing support to developing areas or just forget the whole thing.

My understanding is the Riverina area doesn't need development to get kids playing the game. I read a list of AFL players to come from the area and it was pretty impressive if I remember right. The SA country area I'm currently in could do with better "pathways" into AFL. Perhaps Port & Adelaide can set up some academies here? Blind Freddie can see the Riverina area is just a recruitment zone for GWS. They can still have there academies but should be better focused on areas that Australian Rules footy needs to grow

 

[Suma Magic]

I think all side deals/endorsements should be released publicly. Would be interesting reading

At least the totals per team should.

 

[RUNVS]

My understanding is the Riverina area doesn't need development to get kids playing the game. I read a list of AFL players to come from the area and it was pretty impressive if I remember right. The SA country area I'm currently in could do with better "pathways" into AFL. Perhaps Port & Adelaide can set up some academies here? Blind Freddie can see the Riverina area is just a recruitment zone for GWS. They can still have there academies but should be better focused on areas that Australian Rules footy needs to grow

It really does though. The Riverina was producing almost no first round talent between 2000 and 2012 and it is only because of the GWS academy that the area is finally producing top end talent.

 

[Balony_pony16]

It really does though. The Riverina was producing almost no first round talent between 2000 and 2012 and it is only because of the GWS academy that the area is finally producing top end talent.

I'm sure if port & Adelaide had academies in my region the 1st round picks would increase

 

[grouse mate]

Easiest solution- clubs pay proper compensation. If a club drafts a player with pick 10, then the club must pay pick 10 compensation. No discount.

Another idea is Vic/SA and WA clubs get to name 1 under 12 player each year. They can help develop this player until draft age. That will mean after 6 years they will have 1 academy player they can bid on each year if they are any good.

I'd support a scholarship type set-up for Vic clubs for kids from remote regional areas of Victoria. The travel involved for parents of kids from townships out past Omeo or areas of the Wimmera and Mallee is insane. Anybody that knows what farming families are like there comes a point where taking a kid to footy training or working on the farm isnt really a choice. There must be quite a few that never get the opportunity to test themselves at TAC level. If clubs can identify them pre 16 and invest in getting them a scholarship at a boarding school, at worst the kid still gets a good education if the club decides not to draft them.

 

[RUNVS]

I'd support a scholarship type set-up for Vic clubs for kids from remote regional areas of Victoria. The travel involved for parents of kids from townships out past Omeo or areas of the Wimmera and Mallee is insane. Anybody that knows what farming families are like there comes a point where taking a kid to footy training or working on the farm isnt really a choice. There must be quite a few that never get the opportunity to test themselves at TAC level. If clubs can identify them pre 16 and invest in getting them a scholarship at a boarding school, at worst the kid still gets a good education if the club decides not to draft them.

So would I. Setup proper academies in areas that are more than 100km from the city centre.

 

[Taylor]

An extra 400k... wow. I wonder how much extra the footy state clubs get extra for players with off field deals & endorsements etc... Often when footy state teams go poaching non-footy state club players they do so with little side deals worked out for then as a cherry on the top

Those off cap payments are called AFL Ambassador payments when you're in a non-footy state.

 

[CallumMills2020]

I like you.

I really, really like you.

Here is how this whole thing happens. Lets call it Riverinaism.

Recruitment Manager get a bollocking from the Club CEO who had previously got a bollocking from the Club President for his recruitment decisions and blames the expansion teams and their allowances for his failures.

Recruitment Manager approaches his media friend (for argument sake lets say Callum Twomey) and politely asks him to mention that club's are seething about allowances and specifically the Riverina.

Twomey then pens an article about the "...rich draft bounty in store for GWS from the Riverina" and mildly points out how some clubs feel this gives them an unfair advantage.

Twomey then continues to mention this angst in his weekly draft podcasts which he has curiously brought forward this year whilst also promoting the talent from these rich regions.

Recruitment Manager then approaches his other slightly less credible media friends (for argument sake lets say Sam Landsberger and Jay Clark) and asks them to mention that clubs are seething about the Giants Riverina allowances.

Clark and Landsberger then ensure they pen an article, mention it on Twitter and in a Podcast.

At this point the big guns get involved.

Eddie contacts his mates Jon Ralph and Damian Barrett and ensures they take the opportunity to whip up some publicity about clubs being peeved about the Riverina and Poor Mans Eddie James Brayshaw talks of his angst on the Footy Show.

With the footy world stirred up and angry Big Bad courageous Eddie comes out on Triple MMM and arrogantly pronounces that enough is enough and it is going to stop.

The lemming footy public get upset...the AFL get scared....and the policy gets changed.

This happened last year with the Academy Bidding System and is following suit with the Riverina.

It highlights that Eddie McGuire is the real CEO of the AFL and drives policy in any way that benefits his self interest. Pity it doesn't correlate with results for his team though! Fortunately his self interest in Buckley is putting a road block on that