The Academies - 2016

[Andre the Giant]

Have you been or experienced football in the Riverina and Albury?

I've played in it and been around it, observed it for nearly 20 years.

So who's got no idea?

Probably should have worn a helmet

 

[Fatcat08]

What they should do is have the AFL take over the development of local football and run it properly this time. Then in order to arrest the imbalance of having more than 75% of your list from interstate they should implement a competition wide allowance that is open to every team in the comp. For every % over a certain mark (maybe 50%) you get an additional salary allowance (that is applied via a formula to the interstate players on your list only) to ensure the integrity and equality of the comp and ensure that no team is disadvantaged due to the fact that AFL talent is highly concentrated in small sections of Australia.

At the end of the day such an allowance would probably only be utilised by a few teams around the league who can't draft enough talent from their own states due to lack of top line options and once talent levels reach sustainable levels in those states then it will be very rarely used.

 

[Hollow Knight]

You people do realise that your leader in the destruction of the evil academies is one Eddie Pie Heart who last night called for the Giants to have use of only 95% of the cap total. So that way we can be a feeder club to you guys.
Nah.

Said the same thing about us last year that we should have a reduced salary cap while we are in debt.

Because nothing gets the fans and members on board and brings the dollars in like a subpar list that gets raided year after year.

 

[Grizzly86]

Jeez those least three names sound made up. Do they even exist?

The third last one is what Eddie is doing currently.

 

[isamedthegiants]

The third last one is what Eddie is doing currently.

Brilliant!

 

[Mcveigh]

This should be the Giants new mascot

 

[isamedthegiants]

This should be the Giants new mascot

There's a hell of a lot of over-reaction about everything GWS related over one win.


So much so that I see your new mascot and raise you;

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Basically you've given up.

Oh, but you're just a little pissed so this is your retort

Honestly, you could make this so much easier on both of us by reading the whole thing, trying to figure out the big picture of what I'm saying and then make a nice, intelligent and thoughtful reply to my whole post instead of breaking this up into sentences like a high school student. Even if you are a high school student, surely now is a good enough time to learn to write like an adult because it's not that hard. Like, it's just so infuriating to make a refute to a point only to have to address it again in the very next post because you haven't bothered to read far enough in before typing your reply. It's almost like you want this to keep going around in circles or something.

You could also stop with the neener-neener bullshit to stroke your own ego as well. I mean, I'm not the one resorting to the personal shit to get my point across so I can hardly be considered the one who's given up. There's a lot more to debating a point than talking as much shit as possible until the other walks away.

2 top 20 draftees until we started our academy from 2000 - 2014, is a good example of why an academy there is a good thing.



But the north-west quarter of Vicoria and virtually half of Tasmania aren't producing Rugby League and Rugby Union players as well as AFL players. There is no competition apart from a summer sport for their "hearts and minds"



But it doesn't and you can, and other clubs did last year. Just like clubs will this year.



Actually it was 15 years, and who's to say that the kids from the north-west quarter of Victoria and half of Tasmania are just going through their shit period at the moment?



Why don't you go for a drive and find out. Attend a few sessions and get back to me.

Someone else made a good point, who's to say that the VFL clubs won't kick up a stink if we have a production line of talented kids from Blacktown and Bankstown that go on to be elite players, and all of a sudden you want our Western Sydney academy shut down also?

What are our guarantees this is where it stops?


Last year it was. This year might be. The next 20 years following can go back to their crap phase, and no one down south would give a flying f$@k

But, just because we may get a couple of good ones, you want to take it off us.

There's a word for that.

Let's start from the start.

No, this 2 in 20 years is absolutely meaningless. For one, this is something that's never been considered a problem before and not considered a problem in any other part of the country. You in particular keep trying to drive home the message that GWS has been the second coming of Christ for the Riverina, but you absolutely refuse to entertain any idea that it could be done another way. That's precisely why nobody believes this fake sob-story about GWS having the best interests of the regions at heart, because you frankly couldn't give a stuff when those best interests conflict with those of your club. You also really couldn't a toss about neglected players in any other area of the country so please excuse me when I pass this off as melodrama.

For two, there's nothing about that statistic that suggests the only answer to having more players drafted from that area is to keep the academy in place. This is a really obvious if X then not Y fallacy, and I can't understand what contortions you've had to put your mind through to arrive at that conclusion but surely they'd be enough to make a gymnast wince. You've said it yourself, these kids are "instant success". The work which GWS has to put into the Riverina to extract a top talent is nothing compared to the work which would have gone into Mills (grandfather didn't kick the footy with him at school) or Heeney (freak or not, he had to learn to kick the ****ing ball). They don't need to have their hands held by an AFL club, they need a stage to perform on. So many other ways which they can be provided this opportunity so this hyperbolic crap about destroying the Riverina is clearly not as relevant as what you'd like it to be.

If GWS can get a production line of talented kids from Blacktown, I won't give a shit. I can't speak for the rest of the AFL, obviously, but if you've actually done the work to convert these kids to a sport they've never played before then all the best to you. But to pretend there's any parallels between the kids in Blacktown and the kids in Balranald is ludicrous. There's like three AFL/Netball leagues in an area covered by one League Competition and one Union Competition. And for real, you don't think they play league in Mildura or soccer in Tasmania?

But no, let's keep dribbling about how anybody who questions the need for a GWS Academy in the Riverina is just a hater and just projecting their hatred of the club onto every topic possible. Can't have differing opinions!

You've had a good run, now step aside and let the region grow on it's own. Put the effort into Dubbo, or Canberra or Wollongong. Don't kid yourself, a huge portion of the GWS academy is centered in a very small portion of the zone. Let's not try and pretend the half-assed involvement in other areas is as serious as what you're doing in the Riverina. Even the other academy clubs are calling you out on that much. I've never heard of a GWS talent scout so much as visiting Dubbo, but I can tell you Sydney is doing a bit of good work around Tamworth. Now if it's good enough for them...?

No, your club isn't special. It's pretty fragile, but it's going to be okay. It can almost stand on its own two feet now. Surely if you've put all this effort into Western Sydney and the rest of NSW like you said you have then there'll be some good Academy talent coming from those areas soon. And come on, isn't the Riverina doing well enough at the moment? They'll be fine bro. We're all going to make it. Except for those areas which nobody gives a toss about but whatever.

And go for a drive? I work in ****ing Hay. Maybe you should come for a drive. Come watch a football game and see that our non-academy players aren't the complete ******s or rugby league fanatics you seem to think they might become without the steady hand from GWS.

 

[pinot]

GWS is plastic and I hate them. I hope they die - there said it

 

[dlanod]

GWS is plastic and I hate them. I hope they die - there said it

I think you're looking for Bay 13 and/or the main board.

 

[Suma Magic]

Sanity to prevail with Todd Marshall.

 

[isamedthegiants]

Honestly, you could make this so much easier on both of us by reading the whole thing, trying to figure out the big picture of what I'm saying and then make a nice, intelligent and thoughtful reply to my whole post instead of breaking this up into sentences like a high school student. Even if you are a high school student, surely now is a good enough time to learn to write like an adult because it's not that hard. Like, it's just so infuriating to make a refute to a point only to have to address it again in the very next post because you haven't bothered to read far enough in before typing your reply. It's almost like you want this to keep going around in circles or something.

You could also stop with the neener-neener bullshit to stroke your own ego as well. I mean, I'm not the one resorting to the personal shit to get my point across so I can hardly be considered the one who's given up. There's a lot more to debating a point than talking as much shit as possible until the other walks away.


Let's start from the start.

No, this 2 in 20 years is absolutely meaningless. For one, this is something that's never been considered a problem before and not considered a problem in any other part of the country. You in particular keep trying to drive home the message that GWS has been the second coming of Christ for the Riverina, but you absolutely refuse to entertain any idea that it could be done another way. That's precisely why nobody believes this fake sob-story about GWS having the best interests of the regions at heart, because you frankly couldn't give a stuff when those best interests conflict with those of your club. You also really couldn't a toss about neglected players in any other area of the country so please excuse me when I pass this off as melodrama.

It's not my problem to worry about neglected kids in other areas. Why would I care?

2 kids in 20 years is a problem. If you can't see that then you're as deluded as your former coach.

For two, there's nothing about that statistic that suggests the only answer to having more players drafted from that area is to keep the academy in place. This is a really obvious if X then not Y fallacy, and I can't understand what contortions you've had to put your mind through to arrive at that conclusion but surely they'd be enough to make a gymnast wince. You've said it yourself, these kids are "instant success". The work which GWS has to put into the Riverina to extract a top talent is nothing compared to the work which would have gone into Mills (grandfather didn't kick the footy with him at school) or Heeney (freak or not, he had to learn to kick the ******* ball). They don't need to have their hands held by an AFL club, they need a stage to perform on. So many other ways which they can be provided this opportunity so this hyperbolic crap about destroying the Riverina is clearly not as relevant as what you'd like it to be.

Where did I say us not being there will destroy the Riverina?

Us being there has seen a spike in players recruited from the area that the competition hasn't seen in god knows how long.

You should be thanking us for giving a stagnated region a pathway into the AFL. Obviously the VFL didn't care who can from the region.

If GWS can get a production line of talented kids from Blacktown, I won't give a shit. I can't speak for the rest of the AFL, obviously, but if you've actually done the work to convert these kids to a sport they've never played before then all the best to you. But to pretend there's any parallels between the kids in Blacktown and the kids in Balranald is ludicrous. There's like three AFL/Netball leagues in an area covered by one League Competition and one Union Competition. And for real, you don't think they play league in Mildura or soccer in Tasmania?

They may play soccer in Mildura, but I'd hazard a guess to say that the participation rates between the 2, I repeat, 2 codes (not 4 as the Riverina has) would be heavily skewed in the AFL's favour.

You've had a good run, now step aside and let the region grow on it's own. Put the effort into Dubbo, or Canberra or Wollongong. Don't kid yourself, a huge portion of the GWS academy is centered in a very small portion of the zone. Let's not try and pretend the half-assed involvement in other areas is as serious as what you're doing in the Riverina. Even the other academy clubs are calling you out on that much. I've never heard of a GWS talent scout so much as visiting Dubbo, but I can tell you Sydney is doing a bit of good work around Tamworth. Now if it's good enough for them...?

STOP THE F.....G PRESSES. The Seans are doing a lot of work in Tamworth? God damn. How long have they been putting developmental work...into their own zone? Does Eddie knows this is going on??!!

Maybe you're right. Maybe we should put work into Woollongong.

Oops...Nooe that also belongs to the Swans. I don't think they'd appreciate that too much.

No, your club isn't special. It's pretty fragile, but it's going to be okay. It can almost stand on its own two feet now.

My club is fragile??????? Pot meet kettle.

And go for a drive? I work in ******* Hay. Maybe you should come for a drive. Come watch a football game and see that our non-academy players aren't the complete ******s or rugby league fanatics you seem to think they might become without the steady hand from GWS.

Considering my family owns a farm in Jezza Finlayson territory, I think I know the area fairly well, and what we as a club are bringing to it.

I have to breakdown what you say because you're just so god-damned boring. I also ignored two complete sentences of utter crap you posted.

 

[The King!]

Gws won a game well and the sky falls....

 

[isamedthegiants]

Sanity to prevail with Todd Marshall.

As I said on our board, precedence was set with Riewoldt, we can't complain.

 

[dlanod]

As I said on our board, precedence was set with Riewoldt, we can't complain.

Brisbane never had the rights to Riewoldt, so they never actually lost the rights to him. GWS and Marshall, on the other hand...

 

[M Malice]

of the last 10 AFL premiers 9 have been victorian based.

the swans the only ones to buck this alarming trend in the game that has cast the 8 interstate clubs into the wasteland of AFL irelevance. time to have an inquiry into what has led to this systemic failure in equalization.

but wait an interstate team just beat an out of form premiership team by 12 goals in a one off game, let's act immediately it's geelong or norths turn this year.

as the VFL centric media dutifully follow their puppet master.

#armageddonisnow

 

[Cleric]

The Gold Coast Suns academy is going to bring in some top talent in the next couple of years with a number coming from Northern Qld such as Cairns.
Why dont you hear anyone complaining about it here?
Because everyone know North Qld is an area that is pro Rugby and very little comes out of there for AFL. So everyone is happy to see the talent come out of their and into the Suns.

 

[dlanod]

The Gold Coast Suns academy is going to bring in some top talent in the next couple of years with a number coming from Northern Qld such as Cairns.
Why dont you hear anyone complaining about it here?

Because Gold Coast didn't beat Hawthorn.

Because everyone know North Qld is an area that is pro Rugby and very little comes out of there for AFL. So everyone is happy to see the talent come out of their and into the Suns.

Cairns is a bit of an AFL hotspot and has nurtured players like Charman, Dixon, Dempsey, Harbrow and more. So yeah... guess they've got a better recent strike rate than both the Riverina and your efforts to make a correct point.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Brisbane never had the rights to Riewoldt, so they never actually lost the rights to him. GWS and Marshall, on the other hand...

Didnt we have zone selections back then, and the zone was changed not long before Roo was drafted?

 

[Turbocat]

This should be the Giants new mascot

LOL , Oh Lord...

 

[bumsonseats]

Just like private health insurance, the academies are a rort.
Why do you think the Giants and Swines presidents etc are defending it so vigorously.
Would you want to give something up if it was such an advantage to you. We live in a welfare state and this is nothing more than welfare for a select few.
No one else can jump the draft to get top end talent and get a discount for doing so.

I suggest that every club should be able to establish an academy and recruit to their academy from wherever they like. Perhaps allow an annual take of 10 kids per year from age 14 or 15...??
If the AFL wants to promote development in the northern states, the mandate that every club every club has at least 2 NSW/QLD kids on in the academy.

I also suggest that academy spending should be included as part of football department spending and subject to the soft cap and luxury tax.

Give every club the same opportunities.

 

[MickyG]

Just like private health insurance, the academies are a rort.
Why do you think the Giants and Swines presidents etc are defending it so vigorously.
Would you want to give something up if it was such an advantage to you. We live in a welfare state and this is nothing more than welfare for a select few.
No one else can jump the draft to get top end talent and get a discount for doing so.

I suggest that every club should be able to establish an academy and recruit to their academy from wherever they like. Perhaps allow an annual take of 10 kids per year from age 14 or 15...??
If the AFL wants to promote development in the northern states, the mandate that every club every club has at least 2 NSW/QLD kids on in the academy.

I also suggest that academy spending should be included as part of football department spending and subject to the soft cap and luxury tax.

Give every club the same opportunities.

Swans Academy supports around 500 kids. Maybe do some research before commenting.

 

[bumsonseats]

Swans Academy supports around 500 kids. Maybe do some research before commenting.

10 kids per club per year for 3 years in the academy system....180 x 3 = 560.
Maybe you should pay attention in maths class next time

 

[Balony_pony16]

Just like private health insurance, the academies are a rort.
Why do you think the Giants and Swines presidents etc are defending it so vigorously.
Would you want to give something up if it was such an advantage to you. We live in a welfare state and this is nothing more than welfare for a select few.
No one else can jump the draft to get top end talent and get a discount for doing so.

I suggest that every club should be able to establish an academy and recruit to their academy from wherever they like. Perhaps allow an annual take of 10 kids per year from age 14 or 15...??
If the AFL wants to promote development in the northern states, the mandate that every club every club has at least 2 NSW/QLD kids on in the academy.

I also suggest that academy spending should be included as part of football department spending and subject to the soft cap and luxury tax.

Give every club the same opportunities.

So can we stop playing every GF in Melbourne? Can we fix the draw so Melbourne clubs stop getting an advantage both on field and off? Can we fixed trading of young kids where footy clubs poach youngsters but offer up pittance? Off endorsement/bonuses included into a cap system perhaps?

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

It's not my problem to worry about neglected kids in other areas. Why would I care?

2 kids in 20 years is a problem. If you can't see that then you're as deluded as your former coach.



Where did I say us not being there will destroy the Riverina?

Us being there has seen a spike in players recruited from the area that the competition hasn't seen in god knows how long.

You should be thanking us for giving a stagnated region a pathway into the AFL. Obviously the VFL didn't care who can from the region.



They may play soccer in Mildura, but I'd hazard a guess to say that the participation rates between the 2, I repeat, 2 codes (not 4 as the Riverina has) would be heavily skewed in the AFL's favour.



STOP THE F.....G PRESSES. The Seans are doing a lot of work in Tamworth? God damn. How long have they been putting developmental work...into their own zone? Does Eddie knows this is going on??!!

Maybe you're right. Maybe we should put work into Woollongong.

Oops...Nooe that also belongs to the Swans. I don't think they'd appreciate that too much.


My club is fragile??????? Pot meet kettle.



Considering my family owns a farm in Jezza Finlayson territory, I think I know the area fairly well, and what we as a club are bringing to it.

I have to breakdown what you say because you're just so god-damned boring. I also ignored two complete sentences of utter crap you posted.

It's been two days, I've given you plenty of opportunity, you still can't argue a point properly. Please direct me to some other GWS fans who can do this properly and keep working on those ad homs son.

Peace