Opinion The all new 2013 trading & drafting thread

[Ebert80]

I'd throw in Wingard - in addition to Gray - to get the Gorringe deal done.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I'd throw in Wingard - in addition to Gray - to get the Gorringe deal done.

We're making off like thieves in the night.

 

[Zakk Wylde]

Not going to be popular but I would trade Gray for Gorringe

Christ.

 

[davesnothere]

Christ.

Ok...Wingard, Gray and Christ that should get Goringe over the line.

 

[El_Scorcho]

If we're throwing in Christ i'd like an exchange of 4th rounders.

 

[Killer Power]

Christ.

Nah, think we should keep Hoff

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

Hang on, I never said give him away for nix. We all are saying we will get polec and gorringe a for second rounder yet collapse at the thought of losing out on a player that clearly isn't up to it just cos he is a first rounder. I said we need to get around a pick 20 to score gorringe. That is them losing out, he was pick 11 himself. Then we look to get that pick 20 ish with butcher. That is us losin out but we haven't really as we have effectively swapped 2 players that were of similar value.

Lets state facts with butcher. He can't mark at the moment, he can't kick over a jam tin. His kicking will never improve. His laconic attitude will never change.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Hang on, I never said give him away for nix. We all are saying we will get polec and gorringe a for second rounder yet collapse at the thought of losing out on a player that clearly isn't up to it just cos he is a first rounder. I said we need to get around a pick 20 to score gorringe. That is them losing out, he was pick 11 himself. Then we look to get that pick 20 ish with butcher. That is us losin out but we haven't really as we have effectively swapped 2 players that were of similar value.

Lets state facts with butcher. He can't mark at the moment, he can't kick over a jam tin. His kicking will never improve. His laconic attitude will never change.

"Facts".

You're wrong on so many levels.

We don't need another young ruckman as much as we need a young KPF. Gorringe would be behind Lobbe and Redden next year, Butcher is our 2nd best KPF. Even if they are of similar trade value, they are of very, very different value to our club at the present time.


Distance isn't an issue with Butcher's kicking, and how on earth can you say it will never improve? He doesn't have to be Stuey Dew, he just needs to relax and get into a good routine. Warren Tredrea, Matthew Richardson, Nick Riewoldt and Travis Cloke are other KPFs who have or have had suspect set shot kicking actions during their careers and managed to be incredibly successful.

Justin Westhoff is another player who has been accused his entire career of having a laconic attitude, and is now one of our most important players and a dead set match winner.

Butcher just needs time. A 21yo KPP who has had a horrible run with injury and hasn't had a preseason is underperforming. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater helps no one.

 

[*PAF]

Hasn't Polec been injured a lot?
If that is correct could he be another Thompson type player that only needs an injury free period to come good? We had our chance to trade for Thompson but mucked it up.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I'm pretty sure Polec has a bit of an attitude issue doesn't he? Also he doesn't have the runs on the board Thompson had on requesting to come home.

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

"Facts".

You're wrong on so many levels.

We don't need another young ruckman as much as we need a young KPF. Gorringe would be behind Lobbe and Redden next year, Butcher is our 2nd best KPF. Even if they are of similar trade value, they are of very, very different value to our club at the present time.


Distance isn't an issue with Butcher's kicking, and how on earth can you say it will never improve? He doesn't have to be Stuey Dew, he just needs to relax and get into a good routine. Warren Tredrea, Matthew Richardson, Nick Riewoldt and Travis Cloke are other KPFs who have or have had suspect set shot kicking actions during their careers and managed to be incredibly successful.

Justin Westhoff is another player who has been accused his entire career of having a laconic attitude, and is now one of our most important players and a dead set match winner.

Butcher just needs time. A 21yo KPP who has had a horrible run with injury and hasn't had a preseason is underperforming. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater helps no one.

The brogan, primus and lade trio was a TRIO. We need 3 good ruck man as they will always get injured, plus Lobbe and redden are very capable forwards, more so than I think butcher will ever be.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Brogan, Primus and Lade never played well with all three playing, and no side in the league plays three genuine ruckmen in this day and age.

Lobbe was drafted as a KPF but has developed into a ruckman in time. We haven't rushed him, we've let him develop and he hasn't shown an awful lot until half way through this season, in his 6th season and at 23 years of age. Redden has played some good footy but hasn't shown any level of dominance or consistency yet. Until the last couple of weeks, getting beaten in the ruck has been the norm for a year and a half.

These guys will come good in time. They showed signs, we persisted, and they have started to come good.

As will Butcher if afforded the same opportunity.

You absolutely do not trade away highly rated, first rounder talls before they've had a chance to establish themselves. If we've hung onto Daniel Stewart for this long, we can hang onto Butcher for a couple more years to give him an injury free chance to put on some size, get fit and establish himself.

 

[*PAF]

I think Lobbe showed plenty in 2011 before geting injured.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Port site reporting Sam Day could miss next weekend's game with 'hamstring soreness'. Maybe writer's cramp from signing a contract with Port?

 

[davesnothere]

Will we trade a Ruck?

 

[El_Scorcho]

I think Lobbe showed plenty in 2011 before geting injured.

Certainly, but I think his work around the ground has improved out of sight.

My point is that Butcher has shown enough while fit and firing to be worth persisting with. He'll become a good AFL KPF if we continue to invest in him.

 

[Killer Power]

Brogan, Primus and Lade never played well with all three playing, and no side in the league plays three genuine ruckmen in this day and age.

Lobbe was drafted as a KPF but has developed into a ruckman in time. We haven't rushed him, we've let him develop and he hasn't shown an awful lot until half way through this season, in his 6th season and at 23 years of age. Redden has played some good footy but hasn't shown any level of dominance or consistency yet. Until the last couple of weeks, getting beaten in the ruck has been the norm for a year and a half.

These guys will come good in time. They showed signs, we persisted, and they have started to come good.

As will Butcher if afforded the same opportunity.

You absolutely do not trade away highly rated, first rounder talls before they've had a chance to establish themselves. If we've hung onto Daniel Stewart for this long, we can hang onto Butcher for a couple more years to give him an injury free chance to put on some size, get fit and establish himself.

I'm still of the belief that Redden will be a better player than Lobbe, there is a lot to like about his size and footy nous. Great situation to be in because Lobbe will be good in his own right, just that he may be a Brogan to Redden's Lade. Tasty.

 

[*PAF]

I'm pretty sure Polec has a bit of an attitude issue doesn't he? Also he doesn't have the runs on the board Thompson had on requesting to come home.

I am not entirely sure but I think both Polec and Thompson would have similar stats at the same stage of their careers.

EDIT: I did see Polec play some SANFL thanks to the ABC and IIRC he is a very good user of the ball, I am not sure that has ever been said about Thompson.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I am not entirely sure but I think both Polec and Thompson would have similar stats at the same stage of their careers.

EDIT: I did see Polec play some SANFL thanks to the ABC and IIRC he is a very good user of the ball, I am not sure that has ever been said about Thompson.

Yeah pretty similar actually. Weird, I remember a lot more hype around Thompson at the time.

 

[Noobz0r]

What happened to this thread in the last 24 hours?

 

[El_Scorcho]

What happened to this thread in the last 24 hours?

#StandByButcher

 

[Ford Fairlane]

What happened to this thread in the last 24 hours?

We lost a game. Apparently the sky is falling.

 

[PJ Power]

We lost a game. Apparently the sky is falling.

Agree that it's been a big over-reaction, but I'd love to see us address our needs at CHF/FF and a pacy midfielder.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Alan Didak tweeted today that he wants to extend his AFL career beyond next year. He was also apparently in Adelaide over the week. Interesting ...

 

[raman]

No thanks.