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Wow is it 2005 again? Because there are a couple of relationship decisions I'd like to avoid this time around.
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Aaron Davey @ $150k over two or three years, sure thing!
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quicker, harder, better leader. i have heard he is quite the father figure. had to work quite hard being taken in the rookie draft, also has won a B+F. i know i disagree with didak on the reason that he was only good for a year, but Davey has that and all the other things you need for a 1-2 year player.
emphasis on quicker, what we need
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Wow we really did scoop last year's draft if Quigley 's opinion is anything to go by- hope you don't mind if I quote your work Quig. Some interesting comments, both good and bad.
ROUND ONE
1. Greater Western Sydney – Lachlan Whitfield
2. Greater Western Sydney – Brodie Grundy
3. Greater Western Sydney - Jimmy Toumpas
4. Melbourne – Oliver Wines
5. Western Bulldogs – Dayle Garlett
6. Western Bulldogs - Sam Mayes
7. Port Adelaide – Jackson McCrae
8. Brisbane Lions – Jesse Lonergan
9. Richmond – Ben Kennedy
10. Essendon – Joe Daniher
11. Carlton – Kristian Jaksch
12. Greater Western Sydney – Troy Menzel
13. Gold Coast – Jake Stringer
14.Greater Western Sydney – Tom Clurey
15. North Melbourne – Sam Colquohoun
16. Geelong – Jonothan O’Rourke
17. Fremantle – Mason Shaw
18. Collingwood – Tim O’Brien
19. Collingwood – Josh Simpson
20. Adelaide – Dean Towers
21. Collingwood – Jack Hannath
22. Western Bulldogs – Lachlan Plowman
23. Sydney Swans – Nick Vlastuin
Pick 4 – Melbourne
Melbourne have restocked their KPs through free agency and the mini-draft and will try and add significantly to their ball winning ability in the middle through this draft. At this pick it’s hard to see them going past Wines who is one of Viney’s good mates and is a player who I think will complement Viney very nicely to form a formidable inside tandem not too far down the track.
Oliver Wines
DOB: 1/10/94 Ht: 188 Wt: 90
Wines is an inside mid who has shown really good development over the last couple of years improving in all areas of his game to the extent that he must now be considered with the elites of this draft. I would probably put him behind only Viney of the inside players available this year.
Wines is a big lad for his age and is more physically developed than many of the guys he played with and against. He has a good set of shoulders on him and is a stocky build although room to develop in his lower half. Don’t be deceived by the build however, he has very good endurance and has gone over 15 in the beep before. He spreads from contests very well and this is an area where he has improved a lot over the last year or so. At the Champs he showed a great ability to work hard forward into dangerous spots. It’s great to have the endurance but unlike some that come through Wines also has the footy smarts to know how to use it. This as much as his inside ability is one of the reasons I have him so high.
Wines has made a name for himself as an inside mid. I think he should do very well at that at AFL level but he is by no means assured of success. He is not the cleanest inside player you will see and is prone to fumbling a little (not all the time but enough to notice it). With less time to react at AFL level this could cause him problems and reduce his effectiveness. One of other main strengths at the moment is also something which could go either way at the next level. As a junior, Wines has shown great ability to absorb contact inside, not panic, retain his feet and balance, keep his arms free and get the ball out. At AFL level where guys are quicker, stronger and with better technique will he be able to do the same?
The innate ability to keep his composure could really help him under the increased pressure at the next level but on the other side of the coin if he hangs onto it too long he will be punished more often. I think his hands inside are quick but not elite. He has shown good ability to evaluate the situation and then execute and I expect this to hold him in good stead at the next level. He often starts outside of packs and works inside but he is not one to hit the pack at pace and come out the other side. He works in and holds with strength. He regularly gets first hands to the ball and can often be seen on his hands and knees at the bottom of a pack. On knees he has shown good ability to still be able to clear the ball.
As with a lot of young inside mids his kicking does need a bit of work but he will be working from a higher base than Watson say or Smith last year. He is not a particularly long kick and is a little inconsistent with his weighting. His set shot for goal is solid but not anything more than that and whilst he can get it from 50 that is the absolute limit of his range at the moment. His kicking is not a liability but neither is it a strength and it is something which he will need to work on further.
Pace wise he is mostly pretty average but he does have a nice 10m burst that he uses effectively which I see as a function of his endurance rather than necessarily quickness. He might not have a particularly high top end but he can get there quickly. Overall Wines is a pretty average athlete across the board and he tested that way at combine (except in endurance where he tested very well as expected). Another area where Wines has improved is with his marking. For an inside mid I think he is a good mark of the ball having reasonable hands above his head and being a very good judge of the ball in the air.
Wines is one of the better tacklers, technique wise this year. Unlike many he wraps but also uses his shoulder to drive the man. In tight he will get his fair share of tackles throughout his career. Overall he looks like a pretty good inside prospect.
Pick 14 – Greater Western Sydney
With all the concessions GWS have received they have an abundance of talent across every line and there was ever a team who could select for need it is them. The one area where they lack a little is at KPD especially with the loss of Hombsch. It is such an evident gap that I am going to be shocked if they don’t use either 12 or 14 on a KPD and I would be unsurprised if they came out of the draft with two new KPDs.
Tom Clurey
DOB: 23/3/94 Ht: 192 Wt: 83
I am falling into line on having Clurey pretty high but in all honesty it would not surprise me if he fell in this draft and if that happened it would be hard to argue against that. I watched him play four games at the Champs and I think he was beaten by his man in three of them. I would have given him the points against Bourke from Qld but I had Flaherty, Boyd and O’Brien getting the better of him. Each of those guys were the main opposition target in those games and whilst he did well in patches he was caught out pretty regularly.
Where I thought Clurey did well was when he has the ability to zone off a bit. When he could he showed good judgment when to fly and when to stay down and he did a great job at cleaning up at the back when Country would have otherwise have been in trouble. He is not a great mark overhead but he is solid for a backman and is a good spoil of the ball. When the ball is on the ground I thought he showed nice clean hands and the ability to collect and come away with the ball. He has good endurance and he regularly covered a lot of ground in defense. If he can get to an AFL team which emphasis zone play at the back rather than man on man plays I think he could do very nicely. Carlton under Malthouse might be one team who might suit his strengths and help cover the weaknesses.
His weaknesses most often became evident in man on man situations. He can overcommit and tends to bite a bit and as a consequence struggles to keep up with smarter, quicker players. He also is a bit shorter than is ideal for an AFL KPD and although he is a reasonable jump he did struggle a bit with taller players. At AFL level pretty much everyone is going to be taller than him or quicker than him or both. The tendency to overcommit to the man would also see him unable to play on medium forwards at AFL level as I could see them turning him inside out pretty easily. That was done on occasion at the Champs by a few more marginal medium forward prospects.
Much to my surprise he went under 3 secs in the 20m at Combine and that thus showed more pace than I expected him to have. He does not play with that kind of pace at the moment but any team looking at him would be reassured that the pace is there if they can teach him to be a bit smarter about the way he plays. His agility testing was also massively better than I was expecting being in the top 20% of those tested and very good for a KD. When you combine those results with his elite endurance results (the best beep of 15.1 on a very hot day and 3rd in the 3km) and pretty good jumps then you would have to classify him as one of the stars of the combine. The one negative was that he measured a bit shorter than advertised which was not helpful.
Going forward, there is a bit to like with Clurey. I think he is a very good decision maker who usually plays within himself coming out from the back. That is not a bad thing as coaches usually like risk adverse decisions. With that said he can hit targets in traffic and if needed he will go long. He often took the kick ins for Country and whilst he was not the longest kick at the Champs he was reasonable and pretty accurate. He is not a back who you immediately notice for his length or his hurt factor but he gets quite a bit of the ball and is efficient in his use. He is not a big run from defense guy having a somewhat awkward bounce but he does work to space to present as an option for teammates to use. If I am a team this is an area where I like the look of what he can give you.
Another positive for me was how he marshaled the backline for Country. He was the general at the back and directed his fellow defenders around the park. When he had to go he went and he read the play and where everyone should be well. I think he showed himself to be a very smart defender and one I would expect to pick up the nuances of new schemes he was asked to play. I have not seen anything much of him up forward but I understand that he is also very handy forward of centre and there are some who think if he had played there more this year particularly at the Champs then we could easily have been talking about him in competition to Jaksch as the first KPF to be taken this year.
I think Clurey is a bit away physically from playing in the AFL but he should fill out fine and he has the tools to start as a third tall who is given a license to zone off and read and react. Teams would be encouraged by the thought that this is a guy who has the engine to go with the hard running forwards out there who many KPDers struggle with.
Pick 15 – North Melbourne
North have continued to develop a good young group across the park but I think they could still use a bit of class especially coming off half back. Colquohoun is a guy I think could really work for them and help set up their mids going forward really nicely. He is also capable of doing a job defensively which I expect would be a must for Scott. On the day I could see Towers being the one to be taken here.
Sam Colquohoun
DOB: 20/12/94 Ht: 180 Wt: 73
I have to be honest here and say that it has taken me a long time to get over my prejudices against Colquohoun. Going into the Champs I did not rate him particularly highly and all along the way I tended to discount what he was doing and achieving on the park. Bumping him up the order a little but still having him solidly in the mid second round. After going back and looking at the tape again though I have finally admitted that the kid can play and I have entrenched him firmly in the first round. A lot of people still see him as a pick in the 20s or 30s and I can see the reasoning I just have come full circle now and don’t agree with it.
At the Champs, SA played Colquohoun as the loose man in defense and he excelled in that role. He was the SA MVP, made All Australian and collected an absolute swag of disposals averaging 28.4 possessions per game across the Champs. He was a key to their go forward and a lot of the good play from SA this year started with Colquohoun at the back.
He did not get any senior games for Central Districts in the SANFL and despite Central Districts being a bit of a powerhouse the last few years I was a bit surprised about that. That didn’t stop him from having a significant impact though. Colquohoun played a fair bit as a tight defender and showed some good ability as a stopper. After the Champs though the reins were released more onto the wing where he had greater freedom. He played all four games for Central Districts Reserves in the final series and averaged 26 possessions across those games looking good in a wing role.
Colquohoun is a great read of the play in defense and reads the ball and play as well any defender available this year. He plays the angles and gets to where the ball is going just that bit quicker than others around him. He understands the game both defensively and offensively and as a consequence he can find it with startling ease.
A feature of his game at the Champs was his kicking coming out of defense. He took all the kick ins for SA and showed a nice long kick. Around the ground he demonstrated a variety of kicks over various lengths showing good decision making skills and a nice feel. He has a nice low punch kick which he brings out of his trick bag not infrequently and whilst it can be very effective he does leave it a bit short on occasions. The balance on his kicking is very good and I would have little doubt about his ability to transfer his kicking skills to the AFL. He is a smart enough player to work out how to get the time and space he needs to get his kick away and has enough power in his leg to get it there ahead of the opposition player. He makes kicking look easy and you wonder how come all players are not doing the same.
Calquohoun’s first, second and third options are usually to try and kick the ball. As a consequence when he has to handball it is often as an afterthought when he is in trouble and it looks like a mess. He is a bit of a proponent of the suicide handball. This is particularly the case when he is pressured which I am sure he will be more at the next level. Under pressure he can get a bit flustered and his execution goes out the window. This will need to be addressed in the AFL and from what I have seen I think it should be able to coached out of him. He is capable of pulling out a good attacking handball and he can be a good quick and decisive decision maker. A few tweaks might be required to his mindset but this is not something I would let stop me from drafting him.
His height is a bit of a concern but he does play big and he is a pretty good mark of the ball for his height. Weight is obviously another issue but he has been putting on weight throughout the year and I don’t think he will have problem keeping weight on once he is in an AFL environment. His endurance is reasonable and although he does seem to lack top end pace he does have a nice burst which he throws in every now and then. He is a capable tackler but his role is not one which lends itself to gaudy tackle numbers. If he gets his hands on an opposition player I would be comfortable backing him to make the tackle.
At the back he is not a big carrier of the ball more of a find and kick the ball to the next man in the line kind of player. He could be a zone buster if used right. Defensively he needs to get a bit stronger but with a bit more bulk I think that will come. His smarts should also allow him to compensate for his less than elite pace but I would be using him on a lesser forward if I could. Overall I would be developing him as a weapon from defense rather than a stopper.
One of the big problems I hear about him a lot is that he is a very outside player and does not win his own ball. I personally don’t think he is as bad as made out and if he needed to focus on this area I think he could improve. With the roles he plays though I am not sure he ever is going to really need great inside skills. He will be a receiver and designated kicker in those kinds of set ups and that is a specialist role in itself. I also don’t see his inside game being any worse than Macrae’s and his kicking, speed and game smarts all compare pretty well with a guy many of those same people have in the top 10 or close to.
Pick 17 – Fremantle
Fremantle have tried desperately to get a KPF the last two years and I think it’s time to go the draft route for one. Shaw and O’Brien are the two that I would be targeting if I was Fremantle and when in doubt go with the local boy. They would have had a lot of opportunity to look at Shaw and make a call on him and following what they do here could be an excellent indicator of his likely success.
Mason Shaw
DOB: 15/1/94 Ht: 198 Wt: 87
Coming into the year I had great interest in Shaw and was hoping against hope that the Lions would be in a position to grab him in the draft. Now nine months on I am hoping we pass on him. For someone of his talent he has been a major disappointment this year and to me just does not look like he has the skill set to succeed at AFL level. One big thing in his favour though is that he can kick goals and bags of them. Physically he is also a good match for the AFL so some team is going to take a punt on him and at the moment I find it hard to judge whether that will be sooner or later.
Shaw is a full forward who plays some ruck on occasion. At AFL level I think it’s highly likely that he will play the same positions. In the ruck he is regularly outbodied even against the moderate ruck talent he faced at the Champs this year and against AFL standard rucks he is likely to be barely competitive. If he is going to play as a second ruck in the AFL I would expect that the team that drafts him is going to need to put significant work into his ruck skills and his strength work. At the moment he probably suits a team with a dominant ruckman who needs only short bursts of relief.
As a full forward Shaw is a great proponent of the stretch mark. He judges the ball very well in the air and positions his body to keep his opponent under control and use his height to mark. He frequently plays from behind. When he plays in front or is in a wrestle with the ball coming in he is often maneuvered under the ball, perhaps a little too easily given his size. He plays very much like Mitch Clark did for the last couple of years at the Lions where he basically only wants the ball kicked onto his head and refuses to lead. As Clark found out that kind of thing does not work at AFL level. With that said a true strength of his game is his soft hands above his head and if he can get a shot at the ball he is a pretty good mark.
Shaw’s leading up forward is very poor. He does not lead for the ball nearly enough and when he does there are no repeat efforts. He is slow off the mark and takes a while to get up to full speed and full speed is not very impressive. Agility wise he seems to have lost quite a bit since last year when he seemed fairly elusive for a big forward. Now he often looks like a ruck playing up forward with the turning circle of a semi-trailer. I am not sure what is going on there but work definitely needs to be done on it. Given his lack of speed, agility and repeat leads he rarely if ever has separation from the man marking him and consequently is pretty easy to spoil. His poor leading and lack of scope to improve it athletically is what causes me great concern about whether Shaw will ever be much of an AFL player.
When he gets a shot at goal Shaw is a very good finisher. He has a bit of a low hold on the ball but his mechanics are consistent and good and he kicks through the ball nicely. His accuracy on his medium range shots is particularly good. Around the ground he uses chips and short punching kicks mostly and he is very effective with those. When he goes longer he has reasonable penetration but is not the best weight of a kick and they are prone to going over the targets head or falling short (most often the latter from what I have seen).
If the ball is not delivered to him on a platter Shaw does not seem to make much effort to get involved in the play. He bludges around behind the pack quite a lot in those situations and occasionally picks up a goal through good luck which flatters his goal tally. His body language is often poor and he provides little or no chase and defensive pressure when the ball comes out. At AFL level he will be hammered for this by the coaching staff, his teammates and the supporters. It could well be that his lack of pressure results from poor endurance and whilst that could well be a factor it looks more like a lack of effort to me.
It is often said that Shaw seems to be just playing out the year and waiting to be taken by and AFL club and that may be the case. He rarely has to do a great deal to score goals in the juniors. He is capable of dominating and has stepped up in the grand finals the last two years kicking big bags to help his team get over the line. I do think he is going to be in for a rude shock when he gets to the next level though. His development this year was probably not helped by Mitch Brown of West Coast breaking his jaw early in the season. In the end he managed only 10 games in the Colts and nothing higher than that. He finished with 32 goals from those games which is a good return but the manner in which he went about it was not that impressive.
With all that said someone is going to take Shaw because of his size and underlying talent but there are a LOT of question marks surrounding him. Personally I would not want to take him too early but if a team is convinced that he has the tools to dominate at the next level and just needs a kick up the behind to do that then it would not surprise if someone takes him earlier than his performance this year warranted.
ROUND ONE
1. Greater Western Sydney – Lachlan Whitfield
2. Greater Western Sydney – Brodie Grundy
3. Greater Western Sydney - Jimmy Toumpas
4. Melbourne – Oliver Wines
5. Western Bulldogs – Dayle Garlett
6. Western Bulldogs - Sam Mayes
7. Port Adelaide – Jackson McCrae
8. Brisbane Lions – Jesse Lonergan
9. Richmond – Ben Kennedy
10. Essendon – Joe Daniher
11. Carlton – Kristian Jaksch
12. Greater Western Sydney – Troy Menzel
13. Gold Coast – Jake Stringer
14.Greater Western Sydney – Tom Clurey
15. North Melbourne – Sam Colquohoun
16. Geelong – Jonothan O’Rourke
17. Fremantle – Mason Shaw
18. Collingwood – Tim O’Brien
19. Collingwood – Josh Simpson
20. Adelaide – Dean Towers
21. Collingwood – Jack Hannath
22. Western Bulldogs – Lachlan Plowman
23. Sydney Swans – Nick Vlastuin
Pick 4 – Melbourne
Melbourne have restocked their KPs through free agency and the mini-draft and will try and add significantly to their ball winning ability in the middle through this draft. At this pick it’s hard to see them going past Wines who is one of Viney’s good mates and is a player who I think will complement Viney very nicely to form a formidable inside tandem not too far down the track.
Oliver Wines
DOB: 1/10/94 Ht: 188 Wt: 90
Wines is an inside mid who has shown really good development over the last couple of years improving in all areas of his game to the extent that he must now be considered with the elites of this draft. I would probably put him behind only Viney of the inside players available this year.
Wines is a big lad for his age and is more physically developed than many of the guys he played with and against. He has a good set of shoulders on him and is a stocky build although room to develop in his lower half. Don’t be deceived by the build however, he has very good endurance and has gone over 15 in the beep before. He spreads from contests very well and this is an area where he has improved a lot over the last year or so. At the Champs he showed a great ability to work hard forward into dangerous spots. It’s great to have the endurance but unlike some that come through Wines also has the footy smarts to know how to use it. This as much as his inside ability is one of the reasons I have him so high.
Wines has made a name for himself as an inside mid. I think he should do very well at that at AFL level but he is by no means assured of success. He is not the cleanest inside player you will see and is prone to fumbling a little (not all the time but enough to notice it). With less time to react at AFL level this could cause him problems and reduce his effectiveness. One of other main strengths at the moment is also something which could go either way at the next level. As a junior, Wines has shown great ability to absorb contact inside, not panic, retain his feet and balance, keep his arms free and get the ball out. At AFL level where guys are quicker, stronger and with better technique will he be able to do the same?
The innate ability to keep his composure could really help him under the increased pressure at the next level but on the other side of the coin if he hangs onto it too long he will be punished more often. I think his hands inside are quick but not elite. He has shown good ability to evaluate the situation and then execute and I expect this to hold him in good stead at the next level. He often starts outside of packs and works inside but he is not one to hit the pack at pace and come out the other side. He works in and holds with strength. He regularly gets first hands to the ball and can often be seen on his hands and knees at the bottom of a pack. On knees he has shown good ability to still be able to clear the ball.
As with a lot of young inside mids his kicking does need a bit of work but he will be working from a higher base than Watson say or Smith last year. He is not a particularly long kick and is a little inconsistent with his weighting. His set shot for goal is solid but not anything more than that and whilst he can get it from 50 that is the absolute limit of his range at the moment. His kicking is not a liability but neither is it a strength and it is something which he will need to work on further.
Pace wise he is mostly pretty average but he does have a nice 10m burst that he uses effectively which I see as a function of his endurance rather than necessarily quickness. He might not have a particularly high top end but he can get there quickly. Overall Wines is a pretty average athlete across the board and he tested that way at combine (except in endurance where he tested very well as expected). Another area where Wines has improved is with his marking. For an inside mid I think he is a good mark of the ball having reasonable hands above his head and being a very good judge of the ball in the air.
Wines is one of the better tacklers, technique wise this year. Unlike many he wraps but also uses his shoulder to drive the man. In tight he will get his fair share of tackles throughout his career. Overall he looks like a pretty good inside prospect.
Pick 14 – Greater Western Sydney
With all the concessions GWS have received they have an abundance of talent across every line and there was ever a team who could select for need it is them. The one area where they lack a little is at KPD especially with the loss of Hombsch. It is such an evident gap that I am going to be shocked if they don’t use either 12 or 14 on a KPD and I would be unsurprised if they came out of the draft with two new KPDs.
Tom Clurey
DOB: 23/3/94 Ht: 192 Wt: 83
I am falling into line on having Clurey pretty high but in all honesty it would not surprise me if he fell in this draft and if that happened it would be hard to argue against that. I watched him play four games at the Champs and I think he was beaten by his man in three of them. I would have given him the points against Bourke from Qld but I had Flaherty, Boyd and O’Brien getting the better of him. Each of those guys were the main opposition target in those games and whilst he did well in patches he was caught out pretty regularly.
Where I thought Clurey did well was when he has the ability to zone off a bit. When he could he showed good judgment when to fly and when to stay down and he did a great job at cleaning up at the back when Country would have otherwise have been in trouble. He is not a great mark overhead but he is solid for a backman and is a good spoil of the ball. When the ball is on the ground I thought he showed nice clean hands and the ability to collect and come away with the ball. He has good endurance and he regularly covered a lot of ground in defense. If he can get to an AFL team which emphasis zone play at the back rather than man on man plays I think he could do very nicely. Carlton under Malthouse might be one team who might suit his strengths and help cover the weaknesses.
His weaknesses most often became evident in man on man situations. He can overcommit and tends to bite a bit and as a consequence struggles to keep up with smarter, quicker players. He also is a bit shorter than is ideal for an AFL KPD and although he is a reasonable jump he did struggle a bit with taller players. At AFL level pretty much everyone is going to be taller than him or quicker than him or both. The tendency to overcommit to the man would also see him unable to play on medium forwards at AFL level as I could see them turning him inside out pretty easily. That was done on occasion at the Champs by a few more marginal medium forward prospects.
Much to my surprise he went under 3 secs in the 20m at Combine and that thus showed more pace than I expected him to have. He does not play with that kind of pace at the moment but any team looking at him would be reassured that the pace is there if they can teach him to be a bit smarter about the way he plays. His agility testing was also massively better than I was expecting being in the top 20% of those tested and very good for a KD. When you combine those results with his elite endurance results (the best beep of 15.1 on a very hot day and 3rd in the 3km) and pretty good jumps then you would have to classify him as one of the stars of the combine. The one negative was that he measured a bit shorter than advertised which was not helpful.
Going forward, there is a bit to like with Clurey. I think he is a very good decision maker who usually plays within himself coming out from the back. That is not a bad thing as coaches usually like risk adverse decisions. With that said he can hit targets in traffic and if needed he will go long. He often took the kick ins for Country and whilst he was not the longest kick at the Champs he was reasonable and pretty accurate. He is not a back who you immediately notice for his length or his hurt factor but he gets quite a bit of the ball and is efficient in his use. He is not a big run from defense guy having a somewhat awkward bounce but he does work to space to present as an option for teammates to use. If I am a team this is an area where I like the look of what he can give you.
Another positive for me was how he marshaled the backline for Country. He was the general at the back and directed his fellow defenders around the park. When he had to go he went and he read the play and where everyone should be well. I think he showed himself to be a very smart defender and one I would expect to pick up the nuances of new schemes he was asked to play. I have not seen anything much of him up forward but I understand that he is also very handy forward of centre and there are some who think if he had played there more this year particularly at the Champs then we could easily have been talking about him in competition to Jaksch as the first KPF to be taken this year.
I think Clurey is a bit away physically from playing in the AFL but he should fill out fine and he has the tools to start as a third tall who is given a license to zone off and read and react. Teams would be encouraged by the thought that this is a guy who has the engine to go with the hard running forwards out there who many KPDers struggle with.
Pick 15 – North Melbourne
North have continued to develop a good young group across the park but I think they could still use a bit of class especially coming off half back. Colquohoun is a guy I think could really work for them and help set up their mids going forward really nicely. He is also capable of doing a job defensively which I expect would be a must for Scott. On the day I could see Towers being the one to be taken here.
Sam Colquohoun
DOB: 20/12/94 Ht: 180 Wt: 73
I have to be honest here and say that it has taken me a long time to get over my prejudices against Colquohoun. Going into the Champs I did not rate him particularly highly and all along the way I tended to discount what he was doing and achieving on the park. Bumping him up the order a little but still having him solidly in the mid second round. After going back and looking at the tape again though I have finally admitted that the kid can play and I have entrenched him firmly in the first round. A lot of people still see him as a pick in the 20s or 30s and I can see the reasoning I just have come full circle now and don’t agree with it.
At the Champs, SA played Colquohoun as the loose man in defense and he excelled in that role. He was the SA MVP, made All Australian and collected an absolute swag of disposals averaging 28.4 possessions per game across the Champs. He was a key to their go forward and a lot of the good play from SA this year started with Colquohoun at the back.
He did not get any senior games for Central Districts in the SANFL and despite Central Districts being a bit of a powerhouse the last few years I was a bit surprised about that. That didn’t stop him from having a significant impact though. Colquohoun played a fair bit as a tight defender and showed some good ability as a stopper. After the Champs though the reins were released more onto the wing where he had greater freedom. He played all four games for Central Districts Reserves in the final series and averaged 26 possessions across those games looking good in a wing role.
Colquohoun is a great read of the play in defense and reads the ball and play as well any defender available this year. He plays the angles and gets to where the ball is going just that bit quicker than others around him. He understands the game both defensively and offensively and as a consequence he can find it with startling ease.
A feature of his game at the Champs was his kicking coming out of defense. He took all the kick ins for SA and showed a nice long kick. Around the ground he demonstrated a variety of kicks over various lengths showing good decision making skills and a nice feel. He has a nice low punch kick which he brings out of his trick bag not infrequently and whilst it can be very effective he does leave it a bit short on occasions. The balance on his kicking is very good and I would have little doubt about his ability to transfer his kicking skills to the AFL. He is a smart enough player to work out how to get the time and space he needs to get his kick away and has enough power in his leg to get it there ahead of the opposition player. He makes kicking look easy and you wonder how come all players are not doing the same.
Calquohoun’s first, second and third options are usually to try and kick the ball. As a consequence when he has to handball it is often as an afterthought when he is in trouble and it looks like a mess. He is a bit of a proponent of the suicide handball. This is particularly the case when he is pressured which I am sure he will be more at the next level. Under pressure he can get a bit flustered and his execution goes out the window. This will need to be addressed in the AFL and from what I have seen I think it should be able to coached out of him. He is capable of pulling out a good attacking handball and he can be a good quick and decisive decision maker. A few tweaks might be required to his mindset but this is not something I would let stop me from drafting him.
His height is a bit of a concern but he does play big and he is a pretty good mark of the ball for his height. Weight is obviously another issue but he has been putting on weight throughout the year and I don’t think he will have problem keeping weight on once he is in an AFL environment. His endurance is reasonable and although he does seem to lack top end pace he does have a nice burst which he throws in every now and then. He is a capable tackler but his role is not one which lends itself to gaudy tackle numbers. If he gets his hands on an opposition player I would be comfortable backing him to make the tackle.
At the back he is not a big carrier of the ball more of a find and kick the ball to the next man in the line kind of player. He could be a zone buster if used right. Defensively he needs to get a bit stronger but with a bit more bulk I think that will come. His smarts should also allow him to compensate for his less than elite pace but I would be using him on a lesser forward if I could. Overall I would be developing him as a weapon from defense rather than a stopper.
One of the big problems I hear about him a lot is that he is a very outside player and does not win his own ball. I personally don’t think he is as bad as made out and if he needed to focus on this area I think he could improve. With the roles he plays though I am not sure he ever is going to really need great inside skills. He will be a receiver and designated kicker in those kinds of set ups and that is a specialist role in itself. I also don’t see his inside game being any worse than Macrae’s and his kicking, speed and game smarts all compare pretty well with a guy many of those same people have in the top 10 or close to.
Pick 17 – Fremantle
Fremantle have tried desperately to get a KPF the last two years and I think it’s time to go the draft route for one. Shaw and O’Brien are the two that I would be targeting if I was Fremantle and when in doubt go with the local boy. They would have had a lot of opportunity to look at Shaw and make a call on him and following what they do here could be an excellent indicator of his likely success.
Mason Shaw
DOB: 15/1/94 Ht: 198 Wt: 87
Coming into the year I had great interest in Shaw and was hoping against hope that the Lions would be in a position to grab him in the draft. Now nine months on I am hoping we pass on him. For someone of his talent he has been a major disappointment this year and to me just does not look like he has the skill set to succeed at AFL level. One big thing in his favour though is that he can kick goals and bags of them. Physically he is also a good match for the AFL so some team is going to take a punt on him and at the moment I find it hard to judge whether that will be sooner or later.
Shaw is a full forward who plays some ruck on occasion. At AFL level I think it’s highly likely that he will play the same positions. In the ruck he is regularly outbodied even against the moderate ruck talent he faced at the Champs this year and against AFL standard rucks he is likely to be barely competitive. If he is going to play as a second ruck in the AFL I would expect that the team that drafts him is going to need to put significant work into his ruck skills and his strength work. At the moment he probably suits a team with a dominant ruckman who needs only short bursts of relief.
As a full forward Shaw is a great proponent of the stretch mark. He judges the ball very well in the air and positions his body to keep his opponent under control and use his height to mark. He frequently plays from behind. When he plays in front or is in a wrestle with the ball coming in he is often maneuvered under the ball, perhaps a little too easily given his size. He plays very much like Mitch Clark did for the last couple of years at the Lions where he basically only wants the ball kicked onto his head and refuses to lead. As Clark found out that kind of thing does not work at AFL level. With that said a true strength of his game is his soft hands above his head and if he can get a shot at the ball he is a pretty good mark.
Shaw’s leading up forward is very poor. He does not lead for the ball nearly enough and when he does there are no repeat efforts. He is slow off the mark and takes a while to get up to full speed and full speed is not very impressive. Agility wise he seems to have lost quite a bit since last year when he seemed fairly elusive for a big forward. Now he often looks like a ruck playing up forward with the turning circle of a semi-trailer. I am not sure what is going on there but work definitely needs to be done on it. Given his lack of speed, agility and repeat leads he rarely if ever has separation from the man marking him and consequently is pretty easy to spoil. His poor leading and lack of scope to improve it athletically is what causes me great concern about whether Shaw will ever be much of an AFL player.
When he gets a shot at goal Shaw is a very good finisher. He has a bit of a low hold on the ball but his mechanics are consistent and good and he kicks through the ball nicely. His accuracy on his medium range shots is particularly good. Around the ground he uses chips and short punching kicks mostly and he is very effective with those. When he goes longer he has reasonable penetration but is not the best weight of a kick and they are prone to going over the targets head or falling short (most often the latter from what I have seen).
If the ball is not delivered to him on a platter Shaw does not seem to make much effort to get involved in the play. He bludges around behind the pack quite a lot in those situations and occasionally picks up a goal through good luck which flatters his goal tally. His body language is often poor and he provides little or no chase and defensive pressure when the ball comes out. At AFL level he will be hammered for this by the coaching staff, his teammates and the supporters. It could well be that his lack of pressure results from poor endurance and whilst that could well be a factor it looks more like a lack of effort to me.
It is often said that Shaw seems to be just playing out the year and waiting to be taken by and AFL club and that may be the case. He rarely has to do a great deal to score goals in the juniors. He is capable of dominating and has stepped up in the grand finals the last two years kicking big bags to help his team get over the line. I do think he is going to be in for a rude shock when he gets to the next level though. His development this year was probably not helped by Mitch Brown of West Coast breaking his jaw early in the season. In the end he managed only 10 games in the Colts and nothing higher than that. He finished with 32 goals from those games which is a good return but the manner in which he went about it was not that impressive.
With all that said someone is going to take Shaw because of his size and underlying talent but there are a LOT of question marks surrounding him. Personally I would not want to take him too early but if a team is convinced that he has the tools to dominate at the next level and just needs a kick up the behind to do that then it would not surprise if someone takes him earlier than his performance this year warranted.
Collingwood did pretty damned well as well, getting Grundy and Kennedy at 18 and 19.
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This year Wingard's played predominantly as a forward. Next year, after another big preseason, we'd be hoping he'll be able to have a run on the ball for extended periods. Unfortunately, at least to the best of our knowledge, at this stage Monfries future is clouded. Jake Neade's no sure thing, Brett Ebert can't get on the park and Hitchcock will be luck to have a spot on our list next year.
It's a good thing we're having a look at Betts, Davey, Didak and whoever else. Peter Rohde is once again proving to have his eye on the ball.
Just on Eddie, he's having a pretty lean year largely due to injury, suspension and team form but he's 26 and from 2009-12 played every game, averaging 3.3 tackles and 2 goals. He's an elite small forward in every sense. The nature of free agency is that you pay overs to get players but if we can get Betts without compromising our Total Player Payments then so be it. We'd have a much more dangerous forward line with Betts running around for us.
It's a good thing we're having a look at Betts, Davey, Didak and whoever else. Peter Rohde is once again proving to have his eye on the ball.
Just on Eddie, he's having a pretty lean year largely due to injury, suspension and team form but he's 26 and from 2009-12 played every game, averaging 3.3 tackles and 2 goals. He's an elite small forward in every sense. The nature of free agency is that you pay overs to get players but if we can get Betts without compromising our Total Player Payments then so be it. We'd have a much more dangerous forward line with Betts running around for us.
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Eddie Betts is a wannabe gangsta downhill skiing twat who I wouldn't want befouling a Port Adelaide jumper if we got him for free, let alone for 600k.
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Good Betts would be great to have, but not sure I'd be keen enough to pay him near double what hes worth to see if this year was just a blip or sign hes going down hill.
Small forward is the least important position on the ground. Can only afford to have one crumber otherwise your midfield rotations will suffer
I wouldn't pay 600000 for a crumber who can't rotate through the midfield
I wouldn't pay 600000 for a crumber who can't rotate through the midfield
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Gosh, I hope we stay away from Betts, Davey and Didak...this reminds me of when we were linked to Leon Davis a couple of years ago. Hopefully Betts goes to the Crows and becomes Ronnie Burns Mark II.
have heard another board spruik masked magician as having reliable info in the past, though im not sure what they were refering to.
as for davey i think he could add something to our forward line off a hff/ fp but only as a free agent and on a short contract.
as for davey i think he could add something to our forward line off a hff/ fp but only as a free agent and on a short contract.
I would take Betts but for no more than $400,000 for the first year and then performance based.
I'd talk to Alan or Davey but all Betts are off
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Didak out of all of them to be honest (don't know why i typed that its not as if half the things i post are lies)
you dont go into FA looking for athletic freaks, thats what the draft is for and then you devlop them as footballers
you dont go into FA looking for athletic freaks, thats what the draft is for and then you devlop them as footballers
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Any chance of Lindsay Thomas coming home?
Potentially following the same path as Choppy, Mallee Park(?), Port Magpies, North, Port again.
Has one year to run on his contract, so Port would have to give up a bit, possibly Butcher to replace Petrie, maybe Andrew Moore?
Potentially following the same path as Choppy, Mallee Park(?), Port Magpies, North, Port again.
Has one year to run on his contract, so Port would have to give up a bit, possibly Butcher to replace Petrie, maybe Andrew Moore?
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No to Lindsay Thomas.
They would want 2nd rounder minimum and that aint gonna happen!
We also aint gonna trade Moore for an inconsistent crumbing forward a few years older than him.
They would want 2nd rounder minimum and that aint gonna happen!
We also aint gonna trade Moore for an inconsistent crumbing forward a few years older than him.
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I wouldn't take that selfish, goal hungry, diving scumbag for free, let alone for one of our promising first rounders (especially Andrew Moore)
Not to mention North have:
Aaron Black
Robbie Tarrent
Majak Daw
Lachie Hansen
Drew Petrie
Butcher would not be a blip on their radar.
Aaron Black
Robbie Tarrent
Majak Daw
Lachie Hansen
Drew Petrie
Butcher would not be a blip on their radar.
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Dunno about that. Hansen looks very comfortable down back, Tarrant and Daw will be delisted within a couple of years. Black looks good though.
