Play Nice The 'all things Carlton' mega-thread

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Well done on completely missing the point.

If Weitering is beating the Buddy-equivalent forwards in 2025 you will be very happy.

Why not compare him to a midfielder because you clearly don't understand the way he plays?
He is a McGovern type and he has shown 10 time what he had at the same age.

 

[Hinkley29]

Why don’t you tell us who the A grade KPDs are in the league and how they were going at 20yo and 46 games?

I wasn’t the one saying that the top 5 KPds were a grade without any definition if who they actually were.

At any given point in time there could be 10 a grade KPDs or zero. The number that was chosen (again - not be me) seemed to be a completely arbitrary number, thus followed my question.

Again, everyone needs to leave aside the #1 draft status and look at it objectively. Weitering looks like he could be a long term above average player, but IMO he is not going to be anything more than that. I know that hurts when you go full tank to get a #1 pick, but that is my opinion. Sorry.

 

[Hinkley29]

Round 1 2017 suggested otherwise, hasn't looked.as settled since though with injuries and roll changes.

Have full faith once he gets his body and head into.a good space he will be great at both ends

That was more than a full season ago. You would hope that he show something in over a seasons worth of games.

 

[Hinkley29]

Why not compare him to a midfielder because you clearly don't understand the way he plays?
He is a McGovern type and he has shown 10 time what he had at the same age.

can you Blues fans get your stories straight - is he a KPD? Is he a swing man? Is he a 3rd defender? What is he?

My biggest doubt is whether he is actually going to be better than above average at any of these roles.

 

[Mr.X]

You think?

Signing Cam O'Shea to a 2 year deal and failing to get any decent 24-29 yr olds to protects the kids seems like a pretty dumb move for a rebuild. I fear due to not addressing any of this the kids will get belted every week which will result in us doing a Melbourne and going full rebuild of a rebuild after all our players are destroyed/request trades.

 

[davis_756]

That was more than a full season ago. You would hope that he show something in over a seasons worth of games.

At this point it doesn't matter, fact is he has shown it previously and I have absolute faith he hasn't reached his ceiling yet.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

I wasn’t the one saying that the top 5 KPds were a grade without any definition if who they actually were.

At any given point in time there could be 10 a grade KPDs or zero. The number that was chosen (again - not be me) seemed to be a completely arbitrary number, thus followed my question.

Again, everyone needs to leave aside the #1 draft status and look at it objectively. Weitering looks like he could be a long term above average player, but IMO he is not going to be anything more than that. I know that hurts when you go full tank to get a #1 pick, but that is my opinion. Sorry.

Lol. Nothing hurts. I never mentioned a number. Don’t focus on the number provided by someone else. I don’t care if it’s 1, 5 or 10. Who do you think the A grade KPDs are currently? How did they look at 20yo or 46 games I to their careers?

 

[Mr.X]

Blues look more defensive today, good coaching by bolton to adjust the game plan a little.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Bolton is coming to the crossroads on the Friday night big stage. While a win is not necessarily required, a competitive if not entertaining performance against a significantly younger Bulldogs outfit should be non-negotiable for a team well into a rebuild.

 

[Del183359]

If Bolton was your super fund manager would you give him any more time? I’ll show myself out.

 

[kaiserchief13]

He would want to improve over the next 2 months or I think he could be gone then

 

[Jeremias]

He would want to improve over the next 2 months or I think he could be gone then

Think again.

Bolton is safe.

Read it again if you have to.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Think again.

Bolton is safe.

Read it again if you have to.

So with injured players returning and 0 wins after round 12 or so you think he's safe?

 

[RudyBlue]

So with injured players returning and 0 wins after round 12 or so you think he's safe?

Need more data

 

[Jeremias]

So with injured players returning and 0 wins after round 12 or so you think he's safe?

Yes, very.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Think again.

Bolton is safe.

Read it again if you have to.

Can’t see him going anywhere. It’d be a massive mistake to get rid of him at this point IMO

 

[Ron The Bear]

Think again.

Bolton is safe.

Read it again if you have to.

Bulldogs R5 avg age 23.29
Carlton R5 avg age 24.75

It's a game that, at face value, Carlton should expect to win. A poor display could be a turning point.

 

[Jeremias]

Bulldogs R5 avg age 23.29
Carlton R5 avg age 24.75

It's a game that, at face value, Carlton should expect to win. A poor display could be a turning point.

No, it couldn’t.

Bolton is safe regardless of the result next Friday night.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Bulldogs R5 avg age 23.29
Carlton R5 avg age 24.75

It's a game that, at face value, Carlton should expect to win. A poor display could be a turning point.

I'd rather break it down to age profiles rather than averages. Kade Simpson skews those averages somewhat but it is much of a muchness between he and a 150 game.

Also we have brought in older bodies who aren't necessarily best 22 to cater for injuries to younger players who are best 22.

Definitely have to look deeper.

 

[davis_756]

Bolton is coming to the crossroads on the Friday night big stage. While a win is not necessarily required, a competitive if not entertaining performance against a significantly younger Bulldogs outfit should be non-negotiable for a team well into a rebuild.

Not sure if serious?

 

[Tushay]

I'd rather break it down to age profiles rather than averages. Kade Simpson skews those averages somewhat but it is much of a muchness between he and a 150 game.

Also we have brought in older bodies who aren't necessarily best 22 to cater for injuries to younger players who are best 22.

Definitely have to look deeper.

You're trying to talk sense on this board?

In 3 years the same people will be saying they never doubted Bolton.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Not sure if serious?

Why wouldn't I be serious? Biggest age differences of 2018:

Age Diff|Club|Opp|Res
\+2.12|Sy|WB|W
\+2.01|WC|WB|W
\+1.98|Ha|Ge|W
\+1.92|Ha|Co|W
\+1.85|Es|WB|L
\+1.67|Ad|St|W
\+1.57|Ri|Br|W
\+1.56|GWS|St|D
\+1.49|Ad|Co|L
\+1.47|GWS|WB|W
\+1.44|NM|Ca|W
\+1.37|WC|GC|W
\+1.34|Me|Br|W
\+1.32|WC|Ca|W
\+1.24|PA|Br|W
\+1.18|GWS|Co|W
\+1.10|Fr|WB|W
\+1.01|Ha|Me|W
\+0.94|Sy|GWS|W
\+0.94|WC|Ge|W

The record of the oldest teams is 17-2-1 - pretty compelling but not unusual. The two defeats were both considered to be major upsets. So if Carlton goes in with an age advantage of around 1.5 years per player then they should expect to win, all else being equal.

PS It goes without saying that I think the market ($1.40 Bulldogs) is all wrong.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Why wouldn't I be serious? Biggest age differences of 2018:

Age Diff|Club|Opp|Res
\+2.12|Sy|WB|W
\+2.01|WC|WB|W
\+1.98|Ha|Ge|W
\+1.92|Ha|Co|W
\+1.85|Es|WB|L
\+1.67|Ad|St|W
\+1.57|Ri|Br|W
\+1.56|GWS|St|D
\+1.49|Ad|Co|L
\+1.47|GWS|WB|W
\+1.44|NM|Ca|W
\+1.37|WC|GC|W
\+1.34|Me|Br|W
\+1.32|WC|Ca|W
\+1.24|PA|Br|W
\+1.18|GWS|Co|W
\+1.10|Fr|WB|W
\+1.01|Ha|Me|W
\+0.94|Sy|GWS|W
\+0.94|WC|Ge|W

The record of the oldest teams is 17-2-1 - pretty compelling but not unusual. The two defeats were both considered to be major upsets. So if Carlton goes in with an age advantage of around 1.5 years per player then they should expect to win, all else being equal.

PS It goes without saying that I think the market ($1.40 Bulldogs) is all wrong.

Except they won't in realistic terms. We will go in top heavy with older players and bottom heavy with younger undeveloped players. The Dogs will have a nice spread through the age ranges.

Your averages are far too simplistic.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Except they won't in realistic terms. We will go in top heavy with older players and bottom heavy with younger undeveloped players. The Dogs will have a nice spread through the age ranges.

Your averages are far too simplistic.

Of course they're simplistic, they're single figures. Of course outliers will distort the truth a little. But the truth is still evident.

This weekend's teams

Ca|WB
\18.51|18.39
\18.59|18.80
\19.85|19.76
\20.16|20.69
\20.32|21.28
\20.34|21.48
\21.21|21.75
\21.96|21.79
\23.09|21.86
\23.61|22.13
\24.98|22.22
\25.50|22.40
\26.10|22.66
\26.15|23.13
\26.80|23.71
\27.15|24.88
\28.10|25.45
\28.35|25.49
\28.45|25.66
\30.42|28.62
\30.83|29.74
\33.96|30.56

Not a great deal of difference at the bottom end.

At this stage I'll be tipping Carlton, and I don't expect they will embarrass themselves. But if a debacle comes to pass then I maintain Carlton insiders will take a very dim view. It's a big game.

 

[davis_756]

Why wouldn't I be serious? Biggest age differences of 2018:

Age Diff|Club|Opp|Res
\+2.12|Sy|WB|W
\+2.01|WC|WB|W
\+1.98|Ha|Ge|W
\+1.92|Ha|Co|W
\+1.85|Es|WB|L
\+1.67|Ad|St|W
\+1.57|Ri|Br|W
\+1.56|GWS|St|D
\+1.49|Ad|Co|L
\+1.47|GWS|WB|W
\+1.44|NM|Ca|W
\+1.37|WC|GC|W
\+1.34|Me|Br|W
\+1.32|WC|Ca|W
\+1.24|PA|Br|W
\+1.18|GWS|Co|W
\+1.10|Fr|WB|W
\+1.01|Ha|Me|W
\+0.94|Sy|GWS|W
\+0.94|WC|Ge|W

The record of the oldest teams is 17-2-1 - pretty compelling but not unusual. The two defeats were both considered to be major upsets. So if Carlton goes in with an age advantage of around 1.5 years per player then they should expect to win, all else being equal.

PS It goes without saying that I think the market ($1.40 Bulldogs) is all wrong.

Yeah but we have a total of 5? (Cripps, casboult, simpson, rowe, curnow) Players that were on our list 50 games ago and the guys like mullet and O'Shea bumping our average age up are only getting a game due to.injuries.