List Mgmt. The Bryce Gibbs trade has set our club back 5 years.

[Cleric]

The trade for Gibbs has been such a failure that it has set us back five years.
Loosing two first rounders for him (and dont try and claim pick 16 was just a down grade because we did a trade of 2nds which meant we up graded our second rounder, but gave away two firsts) now is going to be very difficult to make up.
Gibbs is now a c grader at best and is still signed up for another two years on a large wage.
The year before Reid came out and said it would be irresponsible for the club to do the trade for Gibbs for two first rounders, which was actually less than we paid the following year.
So for Reid to do a trade that he himself said was irresponsible, a full year later, is unacceptable.
He needs to pay the price for this inept decision.
Unless there is accountability in this club, we will continue to flounder like this for years to come.

 

[Doc_]

Spot on.
2 firsts for a 30yr old. WTF?

 

[ABAB]

The trade for Gibbs has been such a failure that it has set us back five years.
Loosing two first rounders for him (and dont try and claim pick 16 was just a down grade because we did a trade of 2nds which meant we up graded our second rounder, but gave away two firsts) now is going to be very difficult to make up.
Gibbs is now a c grader at best and is still signed up for another two years on a large wage.
The year before Reid came out and said it would be irresponsible for the club to do the trade for Gibbs for two first rounders, which was actually less than we paid the following year.
So for Reid to do a trade that he himself said was irresponsible, a full year later, is unacceptable.
He needs to pay the price for this inept decision.
Unless there is accountability in this club, we will continue to flounder like this for years to come.

You keep forgetting we also got their 3rd rounder, this was the downgrade from our 2nd rounder, not pick 21 in a strong draft. I would actually prefer that pick then the pick 16 in 2017 which was consider a much weaker draft.

 

[Dixie Normous]

I would like to know (not that we will ever find out) if/how his personal issues affected or influenced this trade

 

[Cleric]

You keep forgetting we also got their 3rd rounder, this was the downgrade from our 2nd rounder, not pick 21.

Rubbish. A third rounder is a junk pick which is a nothing. First rounders are worth 50 times what a third is.

 

[ABAB]

Rubbish. A third rounder is a junk pick which is a nothing. First rounders are worth 50 times what a third is.

Yes, and that's why the difference in our mid pick 2nd rounder and their 1st pick 3rd rounder is neither here or there, which is what I've been telling you.
The difference is pick 21 in a very strong draft vs pick 16 in a very weak draft, I would prefer pick 21 any-day. Even the Carlton's supporter didn't disagree with me and that's saying something.....

 

[jackster83]

The Hampton and Menzel trades, along with what looks like a wasted draft pick on Gallucci don't help either.

 

[Scorpus]

The worst trade in our history. Absolute shocker.

Worse than Carey
Worse than Tambling
Worse than Lyons

The worst

 

[Samcro24]

Sack Reid, rah, rah, rah.

ANDREW Fagan’s instructions to his list management team were loud and clear.
“Do not leave that meeting without a deal being done for Bryce Gibbs,’’ the Adelaide chief executive told Justin Reid, Brett Burton and Hamish Ogilvie.

“Order as many pizzas as you like and if it takes until 2am, so be it. We have to get this Gibbs deal finalised.’’

“We had got so close to signing Bryce that we just couldn’t let him go this time,’’ Fagan said.

 

[baldandbroke]

Rubbish. There are many more problems that will set us back that have nothing to do with this trade.

It's the same mentality that somehow this pick 3 will be a massive win for the club.

These things in isolation are less important than people think ... Gibbs gave us one good year, we stuffed it with the fitness / camp stuff.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Just a symptom of the morons in charge.

 

[ABAB]

The worst trade in our history. Absolute shocker.

Worse than Carey
Worse than Tambling
Worse than Lyons

The worst

Only saving grace was Carlton finishing last, which meant we only gave up pick 10 in a weak draft for Gibbs in the end (but that's still overs right now.....imagine if it was actually pick 10 and 16 , although it was consider a very weak draft....it's would still be ) and then another saving grace was that pick 21 actually allow us to trade with GWS for a 4 pick downgrade and Carlton's pick 21 this year which will likely be pick 22-23 after FA compensation. There was no way we would have traded pick 16 so luckily we had their pick 21.....Reid got VERY VERY lucky with this trade in the end.

 

[King Elvis]

Sack Reid, rah, rah, rah.

ANDREW Fagan’s instructions to his list management team were loud and clear.
“Do not leave that meeting without a deal being done for Bryce Gibbs,’’ the Adelaide chief executive told Justin Reid, Brett Burton and Hamish Ogilvie.

“Order as many pizzas as you like and if it takes until 2am, so be it. We have to get this Gibbs deal finalised.’’

“We had got so close to signing Bryce that we just couldn’t let him go this time,’’ Fagan said.

You know he was serious when he gave them unlimited pizza purchasing authority.


Trading for Gibbs was a pure PR exercise; morons.


Even worse, if they didn't know about his off-field issue, they should be sacked for failing to perform due diligence - if they were aware of it, they should be sacked for incompetence/negligence.

 

[SydCrow]

I think we have the gambling problem.

 

[Golumless]

So marty36 has Doedee, Cleric has the Gibbs trade.

A set back of 5 years on a trade that only cost two first rounders, when we had an excess of them. Spare me. Even if you factor in that we lost a small forward, and a loose defender to facilitate that excess, again, spare me.

 

[Dc9798]

And add having future players such as Cameron, Lever and McGovern leaving, two of contracted, has left the club in a massive talent hole.


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[Mr_Moogle]

And add having future players such as Cameron, Lever and McGovern leaving, two of contracted, has left the club in a massive talent hole.


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Cameron I would agree. Lever and McGovern have been terrible trades for their respective clubs.

 

[Deaneus!]

The trade for Gibbs has been such a failure that it has set us back five years.
Loosing two first rounders for him (and dont try and claim pick 16 was just a down grade because we did a trade of 2nds which meant we up graded our second rounder, but gave away two firsts) now is going to be very difficult to make up.
Gibbs is now a c grader at best and is still signed up for another two years on a large wage.
The year before Reid came out and said it would be irresponsible for the club to do the trade for Gibbs for two first rounders, which was actually less than we paid the following year.
So for Reid to do a trade that he himself said was irresponsible, a full year later, is unacceptable.
He needs to pay the price for this inept decision.
Unless there is accountability in this club, we will continue to flounder like this for years to come.

Trigg losing 2 first and 2 seconds plus whatever we could have traded Tippett for, was way worse

 

[hey shorty]

12 months ago it didn't look so bad, not great but not so bad.

Now it looks a monumental fail, and that's why Fagan shouldn't involve himself in football matters.

I wouldn't say it's set us back 5 years but it certainly didn't help.

 

[Murray2503]

Sack Reid, rah, rah, rah.

ANDREW Fagan’s instructions to his list management team were loud and clear.
“Do not leave that meeting without a deal being done for Bryce Gibbs,’’ the Adelaide chief executive told Justin Reid, Brett Burton and Hamish Ogilvie.

“Order as many pizzas as you like and if it takes until 2am, so be it. We have to get this Gibbs deal finalised.’’

“We had got so close to signing Bryce that we just couldn’t let him go this time,’’ Fagan said.

Sack Fagan if true. Go back to Rugby. This trade was laughable. Gibbs must have been laughing to his bookie when he heard what we gave up.

 

[Dc9798]

Cameron I would agree. Lever and McGovern have been terrible trades for their respective clubs.

That’s still next generation players leaving the club. Yes we did get Fog with the Cameron trade, but we gave up a 4th year player. In Lever we give up a 3rd year player for essentially a 30yo Gibbs. Lose a 3rd year player in McGovern for Jones and McAdam and so on. This is how the void happens.


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[King Elvis]

Sack Fagan if true. Go back to Rugby. This trade was laughable. Gibbs must have been laughing to his bookie when he heard what we gave up.

A directive like that from the CEO also severely weakens the positions of those doing the negotiation/trading.

Instruction should never be 'get it done, no matter what,' - it should be, 'put together the best deal you can, but we won't overpay.'

 

[Bearded Clam]

It’s been a complete fail of a trade... but we’ve made up for it with the McGovern and lever trades where we got big overs..

Lever has been meh for Melbourne so far and has a knee made of cardboard that could buckle again at any moment...
McGovern is a lazy slob that has talent but really couldn’t be bothered giving it a red hot crack, he’s happy just being in his mclovin comfort zone with his kfc buckets..

Cameron is the one that hurts... if we knew then what we know now we would’ve asked for two firsts!.. but we did land the fog with that pick we got for Charles..

You win some... you lose some. No real point getting too down on it all because it’ll happen again in the near future.. trading of players is only going to increase moving forward.. just gotta hope the club wins more trades in future than it loses..

 

[Mong]

Sack Reid, rah, rah, rah.

ANDREW Fagan’s instructions to his list management team were loud and clear.
“Do not leave that meeting without a deal being done for Bryce Gibbs,’’ the Adelaide chief executive told Justin Reid, Brett Burton and Hamish Ogilvie.

“Order as many pizzas as you like and if it takes until 2am, so be it. We have to get this Gibbs deal finalised.’’

“We had got so close to signing Bryce that we just couldn’t let him go this time,’’ Fagan said.

Sure, Fagan may told them to make sure they got their man. But make no mistake, that would have only been after the recruiting team convinced him how good the recruitment would be.

There is no way the recruiters were lukewarm and Fagan overruled them. No way in the world.

 

[MelbourneCrow]

It was an awful deal - gave us nothing we didn't already have plus the loss of picks for an older player. Injuries to most of our best players, meant that he was just about our best player last season IMO.

Cameron has gone from playing 4 good games a season to playing 4 bad games a season. I wanted him to stay because Eddie was passing 30, but did not know he would produce what he has done this season.