All player took that cut though, and there was an AFLPA negotiation for players like Martin who had a big contract year for the cut to be applied across their average wage, not the high year.
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All player took that cut though, and there was an AFLPA negotiation for players like Martin who had a big contract year for the cut to be applied across their average wage, not the high year.
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If you go back and look at the first 30 seconds of the first game of the year you will see Ed rather than shepherd or even block Prestia so Newnes could take control of the ball, he chooses to run to a receive position so of course Prestia does a very straight forward tackle where we should have won the ball.
The mind set from a very senior player was there for all to see then and nothing has changed now. Ed's courage and dogged commitment to win the ball can never be questioned but he set very poor example for our younger brigade that night.
The mindset became contagious.
Whether that mind set is directed by the coaching fraternity or by selfishness I don't know, you would have to be in the inner circle.
DOWNHILL SKIERS yes.
Say the people who stay in toxic relationships.
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I actually don't understand what this is showing.
The top 2 indicate we have an average speed in defence of 7.5km/h and in attack of 7.8km/h. That is walking speed? I know it's comparable to GWS, but what does it actually represent?
The repeat sprints are basically equal, so yes, we are not bludging from an overall perspective. But this hardly indicates we are doing way more unproductive running from a game plan point of view does it?
I would hazard a guess that our load is being carried by fewer, to take up the slack of others, thus tiring the fitter ones at a greater rate than GWS's. I might be looking at this wrongly, but we could have 12 players do the same amount of sprints spread across 18 GWS players, causing our better runners to blow up quicker?
I'm not trying to argue here, but couldn't it still indicate (or at least not rule out) that our motivation/intent to run hard across the whole 22 is lacking, therefore the game plan doesn't have a hope in hell of working?
That got dark quickly
in context, if he loves the club and wants to make it great, he shouldn’t be picky over who the club chooses to coach him….that is what got us into the current mess.
I understand that point of view, but professional athletes have a short career.
It's probably fair to say that Samo is not currently reaching the potential that he (and we) think he has.
Whoever is coaching us next year might have a pretty big influence on how his entire career goes, given that he's at somewhat of a crossroads. Don't think it's unreasonable to ask the question.
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Bullshit. Utter bullshit.
Can love the club and still want to do the right thing for his own relatively short career. If we can't secure some decent coaches then you couldn't blame him for going to a club that can actually develop him properly.
At this stage SPS should see any change as a good change, the old coaching crew have done diddly squat for his development and career.
it’s probably journalistic clock bait anyway, but I don’t like the players having any say whatsoever in our next coach. the tail is wagging the dog.
no need for that. I am coming from the assumption that the coaching staff is extensively changed. if nothing changes I wouldn’t blame SPS wanting to leave. I just don’t want players picking and choosing, they do that enough on game day.
It indicates that we're doing similar work to the opposition, so it's not a fitness issue that sees us getting smashed.
The problem is that because our system and structure is so bad, that our work is inefficient.
The numbers indicate the average speed of all players, while in possession, or not in possession
Total sprints is at 24KM/H or more, repeat sprints at the same rate, within 60 seconds
So as a whole, our workrate was on par or better
So, as many have suggested, it is more gameplan, tactics and structure that is hurting us
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But does it?
Why can't it be indicating that because we have unfit, underdone, poor tank players like Williams, Martin, Dow, Cripps - the others are over-working to compensate?
The other aspect of inefficiency is the skill errors and turnovers. If we make more, we run more. That is not game plan per se?
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I think most of us are sick of SPS playing half-back. God can we rewind back to 2017 when he took Collingwood to the cleaners.
Please. Shows he actually cares about the direction of the club rather than just turning up for a paycheque
It certainly can be about game plan.
If you can move the ball to a player who is not under pressure, they're more likely to use the ball better. If they have an option who is also not under pressure, the kick can be a little bit off, and still be marked, or gathered, and kept in control.
I think it's easiest to see at our stoppages (and why I was so critical of Barker as our stoppages coach).
We win the ball, but are immediately under pressure, and so it's a pressured handball to a player also under pressure, or a hack kick forward. But when we lose the stoppage, the ball goes out to a free player, who then has time to deliver the ball. It's why Collingwood, and other teams, were able to open us up so easily.
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Pretty poor take so I assume you had enough of the 5 years.
Having a good stretch of form in the VFL with 9 tackles on the weekend shows he actually gives a *.
Its no suprise players who drafted as midfielders dominate in the VFL then playing some random position on the A-Team and suck at it.
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Thanks for explaining.
We are certainly not collectively lazy, otherwise we would be getting belted. As I said to Stamos, the workrate can indicate other problems with the spread of workload and turnovers.
Too many of you guys are adamant that it is predominantly game plan and I'm not really disputing that, just putting forward some Devil's Advocate options. We just haven't seemed to get bang for our buck on the scoreboard during our periods of relative dominance. We should have been 6 goals up on the Bulldogs and we dominated the second quarter against Sydney for little reward. Then heads drop, confidence evaporates and no game plan works.
Players aren’t supporters.
They may love the but, ultimately, the club needs to show it has a direction.
I defy anyone to say we currently have a locked in plan for success. We can’t have , that’s why there’s a review.
They may love the but, ultimately, the club needs to show it has a direction.
I defy anyone to say we currently have a locked in plan for success. We can’t have , that’s why there’s a review.
I’d prefer to jump to conclusions. It’s the only exercise I get.
We do score heavily if it clicks, but there are a number of factors as to why we don't truly capitalize
We still have critical turnover at that pivotal point at HF, mainly due to wanting that counter quick, but predominantly long and many intercepts occur here.
Lost count how many times we have the ball in the forward arc and still want to give it off, again turnover. Conversely, players are still trying the impossible shot, rather than willing to take more time, absorb the hit will centring the ball to the hotspot
When someone does finally decide to take the shot, for some bizzare reason, they think it's a 15 second clock, rather than composing themselves and taking all of the allotted time
We lack composure all over the ground, and we refuse to control the pill
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I suggest people go do a beep test on the weekend and see how the feel afterwards. High speed sprints its tough especially running back and forth.
Like the vision OTC showed like 4 playesr running away from the contest when Dow recieved the pill, then you ask them to sprint back when they are already like 20-30 meters away from the contest when they lose. Pretty comical tbh.
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I agree, nothing annoys me more than you are not taking the full 30 seconds to take your shot. Give your midfielders a break and let the defensive structure set up.
PM its the review we had to have
It's also worth remembering that according to Teague, what we've seen in recent games isn't the real game plan -- it's a failure to execute the game plan. The actual game plan as envisaged by the coaches, if executed properly, would look different.
That said, even if you accept Teague's statement as true it doesn't exonerate the game plan completely. One can still pose pertinent questions like: why is the game plan so hard to execute? And why is there so little margin for error that failing to execute it properly makes us look so average? But it does suggest there's a bit more nuance to it than just Game Plan Bad.
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