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A lot of this discussion about what Charlie didn't do - ignores the other 5 forwards - who did even less.
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Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2
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True that.
Mckay did much more than Charlie
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There's certainly room for a respectful critical discussion about player form or we may as well shut this all down.
The media are talking about this and Voss has even referred to how Charlie will approach and learn from this.
The topic is about the finals series, not just the Lions game. Martin did better in his two games, McKay did better in his one full game, TDK did better against the Dees, Motlop did better against the Dees.
Owies and Cuningham were dropped for their lack of form.
Charlie is a bona fide star and much is expected of him. He was beaten by 3 opponents and outmarked multiple times. He wasn't targeted because he wasn't running to good spots and wasn't competing strongly. During the home and away season, he competed brilliantly. It's okay to discuss ways we need to improve. I'm sure Charlie is going to school on it.
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Oh ok I didnt see the tag on the thread...which doesn't change my line of thinking anyway...
More interesting questions that the media may have asked - sans bagging Chalrie alone may have been:
Why should Carlton bomb it to Charlie who was always double and triple-teamed -when there were 4-5 other options Sometimes your stars are the decoys that allow for others to take uncontested marks because their man has run off to stop Charlie - Owies is one that seems to have worked that out. Most of the issues Charlie had were being expected to outcompete a swarm of defenders. The reason we were able to score that Acres goal - was because Charlie actually led his opposition defenders out and away from teh goal square opening up tehj field to alternatives - Iwouldnt be criticising Charlie for leading 2-3 defenders away from defence.
Looking forward - expecting an improved marking effort from Charlie isn't going to fix Carlton's issues, especially in finals. He is already the best one on one contested ball target in the game.
The other forward mix has to be more than just blokes that can tackle - a forwards primary job is to kick goals the easist improvement for Carlton will come from a better-performing team of forwards - not juts Charlie and Harry.
The second easiest source of improvement will fixing forward fifty entries which have been an issue all year - except when teh ball is won from CBB and we get a straight line run at it. Our mids might be good at winning contested ball - but as a group they are not high quality users of the ball by foot.
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Charlie may have ended up being a decoy on many occasions, but surely that wasn't our strategy going in.
Some of the examples they showed, it was purely a case of being in the wrong spot and not in traffic being double teamed. I think they are fair enough to look at. I certainly believed the coaches and Charlie have looked at it.
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Charlie is elite and I've little doubt that he'll bounce back.
Perhaps he was carrying an injury but there were definitely times that he took the easy option of trying to draw a free kick or get the off-hands running back toward goal rather than providing a focal point.
Harry & Charlie are both more athletically gifted than their opponents, there is no reason that they should have 2 or 3 opponents sitting on them if they're working hard enough.
Perhaps he was carrying an injury but there were definitely times that he took the easy option of trying to draw a free kick or get the off-hands running back toward goal rather than providing a focal point.
Harry & Charlie are both more athletically gifted than their opponents, there is no reason that they should have 2 or 3 opponents sitting on them if they're working hard enough.
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I think Charlie is being used as a decoy runner or uses himself as one - a lot of forwards will make big long 'leads' and then loop back- not saying he had a great game against Brisbane by any stretch - but our entries were for the main part awful....I do believe that both Charlie and Harry have to learn to work better as a primary marking pair- ayt least they arent getting in each others way as often as they used to...but teh forward line set ups and the way they all work as a unit combined with teh midfield - all that has to improve,..
At least all the criticism of Charlie will take some of the negative attention off H . Their will be alot of talk of Charlie's finals performances all through next year . Funnily enough the better he performs in the H & A the more it will be probably be highlighted lol. I doubt it gets to Charlie though. Unlike H he comes across as far less likely to get stuck in his head.
I thought that during the Melbourne game it all got a little bit hard for Charlie. May dominated him. He didn’t drop his head, though he had the spirit knocked out of him a little.
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It was unusual, if he worked up the ground you'd imagine he'd have blown May up & disrupted their defensive structure, creating space for other forwards. Instead he played as a reasonably static target that allowed the Dees to structure their defence around him.
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Was our only tall so probably had to stay deep and at least bring it to ground for our smalls - Didn’t have Martin as a second marking target either.
Didn’t help him at all.
Someone mentioned it earlier, next year I’d play Harry deep leading out from full forward and play Charlie as the stallion roaming between wing and wherever he wants in the forward line.
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He was but he wasn't really offering much & essentially played to the strength of their backline, pushing higher would have taken May out of his comfort zone or created a mismatch.
yep, it was Thy.
In terms of skillsets, I've always felt that Harry made more sense as the deeper target & that Charlie would be unstoppable at CHF, at the very least, I hope that we do a better job of getting them working together.
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I really liked this vision, the one they highlighted with Hewett especially, very strange.
On the flip side, i dont understand why when Charlie was struggling, didn’t the co he’s do something to try get him more involved? Get up the ground, go to the wing, get some cheap kicks, try something different. Did they? I didn’t notice.
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Looked like he was playing hurt to me, something occurred during the second last game of the season that affected him.
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I'd love that to happen but then the pressure falls back on Harry to slot his goals.
Ive been thinking about what you're suggesting for a few months.Not sure if the extra pressure on Harrry would be a good thing or bad thing seeing he's a "confidence" player.
I've stated this before, but our forward line has no general, no real leader to help co-ordinate and aid in directing our forward movement and plays during the course of the game. Harry and Charlie for all their talents just don't appear to have that leadership in their DNA at the present time. Martin perhaps might but I guess he has to focus on keeping himself on the park enough. JSOS? but is he guaranteed a spot each round?
Also need to spend a lot of the off-season co-ordinating our midfields and forwards a heck of a lot better.
Also need to spend a lot of the off-season co-ordinating our midfields and forwards a heck of a lot better.
I watch him closely, and he definitely was looking a bit proppy through the knee towards the end of the season. At least a few occasions where he grabbed the knee, got up slowly and subsequently looked to be favouring that side.
Re gait, no expert but looked like he wasn't fully extending on that side and not putting much weight through it. Also seemed to impact his agility.
My guess is probably wear and tear / inflammation after an uninterrupted season with a knee that's got a fair bit of metal in it.
He's looked really commanding as a high CHF leading up to the wings. Marking everything towards the end of the season. He's also quite daring with his disposal and is happy to take the kick into the corridor.
Hopefully a full preseason and a bit more confidence in his set shot routine and he'll be back to his best.
Was there some talk during the season that there might be changes to the sub rule & they were looking at extending the bench?
I swear I remember hearing something about that, just not sure if it was real or just Bigfooty talk?
I swear I remember hearing something about that, just not sure if it was real or just Bigfooty talk?
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Also he played every game so was probably knackered too
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