Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[Original Moody Blue]

It wouldn't be the club or players that would cause me to give the AFL a miss.
...its the so called 'supporters'.


Ive never been so disgusted by the way our supporters have been slamming everything to do with the club.
It's been a barrage for a couple of months now at least.
Here, social media, everywhere!!

Laughing at and hanging sh*t on Carlton alongside opposition supporters.

Irs embarrassing how we're eating our own the way we are.
The media have successfully divided this club.
People swallow and repeat everything the media say.

Max loss 6 goals???

You'd swear we were winless wuth a percentage of 12.

All because we predicted and said we were expecting to play finals.
Things change, but people still expect perfection.

We've improved but so has the opposition in many cases.
But we should just beat top 8 teams...just because!


I hope next season we predict ourselves to finish bottom four.

Pressure off and everyone can pull their sulking friggen heads in and deal with it.

Such fragile creatures the the common footy fan.



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After 20 years of failure, numerous top 3 draft picks, sacked coaches, new recruits, legends coming back to the club and then being shown the door, rebuild mark 1, lack of finals, 2021 was to be the year where the club was to start its run to a flag in a few years. Everyone expected to finish top 10, and maybe sneak into the finals.

Instead we have highly paid recruits who have failed to perform or meet expected levels of fitness. A coach who clearly has no game plan or defensive strategy but tells us week in and week out that he believes in his players, and now a mid-season review which is the worst time to have such a review. What a surprise that the review has awoken a few players from their stasis chambers as the penny drops that their careers are on the line.

It sounds to me that you have become conditioned to defeat and mediocrity.

 

[Ezayyak]

Lloyd is 100% right. The way we set up structurally is flawed. If Jones and Weits don't win the one-on-one battle we are in trouble down back. Oppositions that moved the ball methodically in the fwd half with forwards following running patterns almost always find easy holes inside 50; no matter how slow they move it; where they set up to block Jones and Weitering from being in the contest.

And as brilliant as that patch in the 2nd quarter was we seriously have major issues out of the centre and general clearances. We lost the clearances 38-22. Almost on every occasion the ball bobbles around in a pack the Crows almost always had the instinct to be at the ball drop and the quick release through a 1 metre handball or 2.

 

[KnobHead]

But that's the issue we've been talking about regularly isn't it?
We want our defenders to play tight one on one and stop giving their opposition players easy marks and easy handball chains. But we also want out defenders to drop off their man and help intercept too. So what do you do when the forward you are marking is 15m away from the next forward?
Do you guard space, do you stay tight?

You get a better structure like the good teams do, which generally focuses on space. Also apply more pressure up the field so the defenders don’t have so many “ones on ones.”

We’ve got a kamikaze game plan that is great when it’s going. But once defensive pressure is applied we’re badly exposed. And the teams that win premierships have great defensive structures. These things can’t change overnight, needs to be drilled into players over a preseason.


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[Blue Bloods]

We apply a very high forward press, but teams are leaving one forward deep. If it get through the press it leaves one on ones. Our forward press is to high and to aggressive imo.

 

[Blue Bloods]

People need to stop worrying about footage shown. What ever the agenda/story they will search two hours of footy to find it.

They show Melbourne in a pack situation big deal, we also had many pack situations. Melbourne in the same game had many one on ones. yes the story often have merit but they just pick and chose the footage

 

[Blue Bloods]

We should be playing a +1 defensively and collectively, don't run forward of the contest until it looks certain that we will gain possession

Rinse and repeat

I have noticed we are playing +1 more in defence in the last few game. Which is good when it can be done.

 

[Arr0w]

I have noticed we are playing +1 more in defence in the last few game. Which is good when it can be done.

Tough to bed in for the rest of the season. Sure it will be addressed in the preseason

 

[Blue Bloods]

Supercoach points aren't that different from their ranking points or whatever. It's the same basic concept, different types of disposal add points to a rating.

Fewer supercoach points would mean he's having fewer possessions/marks/tackles etc.

It's hardly an in depth statistical analysis, I wouldn't use it in an article or in an argument, but it does corroborate a reduction in overall statistics, which Patty has had this year.

SuperCoach points are exactly the same as ranking points and a very good indication of the impact a player has in the game.

Include not just possession but how you got them, contested, ground ball, handball received and how you used it, effective kick, score assist and many more variances. Negative scores for clangers, frees against. Points are capped in a game so show each individual impact on the game.

 

[FRUMPY]

People need to stop worrying about footage shown. What ever the agenda/story they will search two hours of footy to find it.

They show Melbourne in a pack situation big deal, we also had many pack situations. Melbourne in the same game had many one on ones. yes the story often have merit but they just pick and chose the footage

Like the Jonathan Brown comments the other week about leaving the best bits on the cutting room floor.....why? why wouldnt you use them?

I say it all the time, look at most goals kicked and somewhere along the line someone has been lazy, been selfish or structures have broken down. Easy find shit pieces of play from any team and use them to prove a point for that moment in time.

Or they find vision of someone not running but dont show the 30 seconds or minute before hand when they had just busted an ass and were stuffed

 

[ctwenty1]

Not sure where it belongs, but racist campaigners can go **** themselves.

 

[1981]

I find it humorous Carlton fans after a win against a lowly side, say stuff like "yeah, fair enough we aren't there yet", as if deep down they don't believe that.

The reality is we beat a lowly side only just and have a LOOOOOONG way to go.

The review needs to be done properly, because that win doesn't mean hardly anything other than a good feeling for 24 hours.

Let's not fool ourselves.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

People need to stop worrying about footage shown. What ever the agenda/story they will search two hours of footy to find it.

They show Melbourne in a pack situation big deal, we also had many pack situations. Melbourne in the same game had many one on ones. yes the story often have merit but they just pick and chose the footage

The footage is damning. Early in the season Jones was getting caught out and being made to look stupid. Now he has timing back, he looks good, but once they islolate him, he is lost. We beat the reigning wooden spooner, and Hawthorn beat the GWS who made us look very ordinary, so let's keep the win in perspective.

 

[Accidental genius]

Of course we have heaps to work on but I thought that was a good win. Mostly it was about effort but some good individual and team wide performances which was really pleasing.

Edit: if we put in that sort of effort against gws we could have won it.

 

[Pixelshooter]

Am I alone in thinking Weitering hasn't been nearly as good this year in the one on one contests? Maybe I'm just watching the wrong parts of games...but it seems to me he's getting beaten in a contest much more than he has the past couple of years.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

Am I alone in thinking Weitering hasn't been nearly as good this year in the one on one contests? Maybe I'm just watching the wrong parts of games...but it seems to me he's getting beaten in a contest much more than he has the past couple of years.

Being a defender in today's game is a poison chalice, especially when the opposition midfield have time to put the ball where ever they want. Once a power forward gets in front it is all over. Our mids this year have been appalling in their defending and have killed the backline.

 

[Aphrodite]

What a disgusting vile low life keyboard warrior with a fake Insta account!

Club statement: Zac Williams

The Club condemns racially vilifying comment directed towards Zac Williams.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[Original Moody Blue]

What a disgusting vile keyboard warrior with a fake Insta account!

Club statement: Zac Williams

The Club condemns racially vilifying comment directed towards Zac Williams.

www.carltonfc.com.au

It has been happening to Eddie nonstop since he started.

 

[Aphrodite]

It has been happening to Eddie nonstop since he started.

I am aware of that Moody & happened to others as well but it needs to stop.

 

[morningbrown]

Slightly off-topic, but I thought it was pretty weak that Jono Brown didn't eat his words this week. They just focussed on the suspension for 10 seconds and moved on.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

Slightly off-topic, but I thought it was pretty weak that Jono Brown didn't eat his words this week. They just focussed on the suspension for 10 seconds and moved on.

What based on one game? He performed to the standard we expect and why he was recruited. You don't reward someone for doing something they are extremely well paid for. Now he is suspended for slamming a player's head into the ground. Not very smart.

 

[Ruckus]

OMG...
Aaron Hamill... Don't want that arseh*le back at the club...
Would rather get Barker back

Why is he an a-hole? John Elliot was the a-hole! Hamill had every right to leave after Elliot embarrassed him publicly at the Best and Fairest. I was there and it was appalling!

As a fan, it stung when Hamill left, but years later I heard and discussed with a mutual friend some other very justifiable reasons for him to depart as he did. All the key players have moved on now, but it'd actually be quite admirable on his part to return, given all of that. If this comes to fruition, I hope he's given some very reasonable benefit of the doubt for all that took place, rather than undue assumptions and insults.

 

[myblueroan]

Slightly off-topic, but I thought it was pretty weak that Jono Brown didn't eat his words this week. They just focussed on the suspension for 10 seconds and moved on.

It took the words to get some action from Williams so not sure he needed to say anything. Pretty sure the rocket up backside helped.

 

[Blue__Balls]

It took the words to get some action from Williams so not sure he needed to say anything. Pretty sure the rocket up backside helped.

Yep, and should never have even come to that.

We've got an issue if it takes a brutal media drubbing to illicit an on-field response from senior players. Pride in their own performance and a desire to do the right thing by their teammates should be enough.

 

[Arr0w]

Think people are clutching at straws if you believe Brown's grandstanding had anything to do with Williams's formline

 

[Beast__Mode]

I think a lot of people would be surprised at how well trained players are at blocking out external noise.