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Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

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I find the discussion/opinion around player selection and development very interesting. There are benefits with different approaches as each team/player needs specific strategies.

Our standalone VFL side is in it's infancy, we can't expect miracles overnight. It's also a known fact that we have been poorly funded in development, but changes will start to improve the number and quality of added resources

While I am looking forward to many of our younger players getting exposure at senior level, none have really been banging the door down with a high level of output and consistency. The jump to AFL is substantial and taking into account what our current gameplan is across both levels (not a high possession style), the output and consistency of players at the lower level needs to be better.

Midfield types that can't hit targets and or amass more than 20+ disposals on a consistent basis, should not warrant selection. We have also seen the likes of Kennedy, who many had in the delist column, spend a larger block at VFL level to improve his game and with that improvement he was rewarded and played well, despite only being a couple of games.

Is this not a good development strategy?

Dow and SPS were both sent back to improve aspects of their game (was hoping the stint at VFL level was longer) and since their return, both have improved on flaws in their game, Dow has been more active when we don't have the pill and SPS has shown more intent at similar periods.

So, when these mid aged, foot soldiers such as Newnes and Newman continue to be selected, it's not at the expense of ignoring youth, because these foot soldiers would be amassing big numbers at the lower level, more than we are seeing from younger players in the same environment. And before people state that, the longer they remain at VFL level, they become VFL players, despite different eras, it didn't hurt the likes of Dipper, Tuck and more recently Tom Mitchell when he was pushing out big numbers with the NEAFL Swans.

I suspect the frustrations are linked to our current position, a so called wasted year compared to expectations of finals, so I understand that people now want to see a younger side out on the park in preparation for next year and beyond. I guess I see this as a flawed contradiction, Firstly, we are not in that 2017-18 mode of blooding, exposing kids before they are ready, so this goes to the heart of many, that had concerns with selecting players on output, integrity of selection. Lastly, while this season might be over in terms of finals, picking a side that will give you a greater chance of being competitive/winning has great flow on effects for the club and enticing a better quality of person in all areas.

Many areas that need improving, confident we see signs of change for the rest of the year
 
Mods move this to wherever you see fit

I find the discussion/opinion around player selection and development very interesting. There are benefits with different approaches as each team/player needs specific strategies.

Our standalone VFL side is in it's infancy, we can't expect miracles overnight. It's also a known fact that we have been poorly funded in development, but changes will start to improve the number and quality of added resources

While I am looking forward to many of our younger players getting exposure at senior level, none have really been banging the door down with a high level of output and consistency. The jump to AFL is substantial and taking into account what our current gameplan is across both levels (not a high possession style), the output and consistency of players at the lower level needs to be better.

Midfield types that can't hit targets and or amass more than 20+ disposals on a consistent basis, should not warrant selection. We have also seen the likes of Kennedy, who many had in the delist column, spend a larger block at VFL level to improve his game and with that improvement he was rewarded and played well, despite only being a couple of games.

Is this not a good development strategy?

Dow and SPS were both sent back to improve aspects of their game (was hoping the stint at VFL level was longer) and since their return, both have improved on flaws in their game, Dow has been more active when we don't have the pill and SPS has shown more intent at similar periods.

So, when these mid aged, foot soldiers such as Newnes and Newman continue to be selected, it's not at the expense of ignoring youth, because these foot soldiers would be amassing big numbers at the lower level, more than we are seeing from younger players in the same environment. And before people state that, the longer they remain at VFL level, they become VFL players, despite different eras, it didn't hurt the likes of Dipper, Tuck and more recently Tom Mitchell when he was pushing out big numbers with the NEAFL Swans.

I suspect the frustrations are linked to our current position, a so called wasted year compared to expectations of finals, so I understand that people now want to see a younger side out on the park in preparation for next year and beyond. I guess I see this as a flawed contradiction, Firstly, we are not in that 2017-18 mode of blooding, exposing kids before they are ready, so this goes to the heart of many, that had concerns with selecting players on output, integrity of selection. Lastly, while this season might be over in terms of finals, picking a side that will give you a greater chance of being competitive/winning has great flow on effects for the club and enticing a better quality of person in all areas.

Many areas that need improving, confident we see signs of change for the rest of the year

Not sure Newnes is the example you're looking for - he was a non-entity in his VFL games this year
 

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People like Percy fail to reconcile the link between the salary cap breaches/out spending everyone else and success. There was a reason we got rid of all the people in charge during the successful period. It is because the F'd the club.

Otherwise it it a hit piece on Liddle. Guess the un named source was someone in the SOS camp (not one of the people Percy knows that are still dirty with him for putting the club in when it was obvious we were nicked)

We had to breach in order to keep up with the others who were also breaching the cap...

Never forget * breached the cap in 1993...

They just dead set wanted to make an example out of us and therefore hit us harder than any team has ever been hit. Including *'s drug scandal. They had half the team suspended by WADA, so obviously they're set to finish last, yet they still got to keep their draft picks. I know they copped penalties a couple years prior but they were finishing top 8 and played in the finals in 2014 with players who had cheated.

- * copped losing 1st and 2nd round picks in 2013 and 2014

- We were stripped of picks 1, 2, 31 and 34 in 2002 draft
- Not allowed to participate in the 2003 pre-season draft (which didn't really matter but still...)
- And we lost 1st and 2nd round picks in 2003 draft (Walker was taken with a priority pick)

Sorry but under the table payments when most other clubs were doing similar things does not even come close to systematic drug cheating...

Hit piece on Liddle or facts... we'll have no way of knowing.
 
Not sure Newnes is the example you're looking for - he was a non-entity in his VFL games this year
Newnes put some runs on the board last year & his experience would count for something in a team that still has some younger players in the midfield.

The younger players in the VFL need to put together an irresistible case to squeeze the likes of Newnes out of the team. When this happens we will be a better team. Our VFL team will be strong because players like Newnes are back there & those in the seniors are there because they are stringing together consistently good football.
 

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You attempt to justify the unjustifiable. Our 2's are sh*t - meanwhile Footscray are undefeated. Benchmarks. We'll be there in how many years?

Why don’t you go out and support em on a weekend mate instead of sitting here and potting a bunch of 17-20 yo kids. Coz that’s all they are atm. Decimated with injury and no KPP players and anyone half decent playing 1s atm.
 
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Newnes put some runs on the board last year & his experience would count for something in a team that still has some younger players in the midfield.

The younger players in the VFL need to put together an irresistible case to squeeze the likes of Newnes out of the team. When this happens we will be a better team. Our VFL team will be strong because players like Newnes are back there & those in the seniors are there because they are stringing together consistently good football.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I was responding to the specific claim that Newnes would outshine the younger alternatives when playing at their level, a claim that is demonstrably false across a number of VFL games this year - irrespective of the other reasons you've outlined that may otherwise justify his inclusion in the 1s.
 
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