Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread

[Cripps17]

You start it, we'll join in later.

 

[thylacine60]

yep - don't drink and post

 

[blue healer]

Soapy can lead the choir.

 

[mikeythemoocow]

 

[Navara79]

I sing We Are The Navy Blues before the game because I know I won't be singing it after it

 

[Styxx]

I guess Spoonman by Soundgarden is off the table?

 

[Jimmae]

 

[mediumsizered]

Maybe Essendope supporters could sing Pass The Dutchie.

 

[Laurence]

If singing “Stand by your man” before the game means our backline will stick on the opponent, I’m all for it

 

[F_therest]

In all seriousness i love the songs/chants in soccer...it's pretty spine-tingling stuff when you see a stadium full of supporters all wearing their team colours, holding up scarfs and belting out a song/chant in unison. It's very patriotic and you can't help but feel the emotion.

AFL is far more relaxed...there isn't really any of that stuff, many supporters at games don't wear team colours and supporters aren't sectioned off like they are in the English Premier League but there's good reasons for that.

 

[Jabba73]

These things only work when they are organic. That contrived crap at the Power games is rubbish, they cut the song off just when it gets good.

Happy with the club song

 

[thylacine60]

just remind me how it goes again, Jab? something something never let you down something?

 

[Jabba73]

Something about being the only team some old bloke knows. Would have thought you could name more than just us

 

[Gethelred]

In all seriousness i love the songs/chants in soccer...it's pretty spine-tingling stuff when you see a stadium full of supporters all wearing their team colours, holding up scarfs and belting out a song/chant in unison. It's very patriotic and you can't help but feel the emotion.

AFL is far more relaxed...there isn't really any of that stuff, many supporters at games don't wear team colours and supporters aren't sectioned off like they are in the English Premier League but there's good reasons for that.

Can't stand it.

If your sport is interesting, do you really need the chants to keep yourself entertained?

 

[JustaBattler]

Murphy tells the world he has stuff to think about - whilst Cripps tells the world in no uncertain terms he is a Blue.



wonder who has the Club front of mind - both are negotiating contracts.

 

[Navara79]

Murphy tells the world he has stuff to think about - whilst Cripps tells the world in no uncertain terms he is a Blue.



wonder who has the Club front of mind - both are negotiating contracts.

Murphy may be thinking whether he wants to play on or not. His body has been smashed over the years.

 

[Gethelred]

Murphy tells the world he has stuff to think about - whilst Cripps tells the world in no uncertain terms he is a Blue.



wonder who has the Club front of mind - both are negotiating contracts.

There's something of a trend running across the Carlton board at the moment, a kind of 'the king is dead, long live the king' kind of a thing, but Murphy ain't dead just yet.

For me, it isn't so much who he is as a player or the quality of his captaincy, but the fact that he's been Carlton through and through since he got here. He's never once considered leaving, and if he is now i'd be surprised, as it hasn't come up before the 'consider my options', which could as much be code for retirement as a change of venue.

Does he deserve to have people impugn his tenure as captain like that? You might not be here, but plenty are and have. One muppet in the Geelong postmortem put the difference in results from this week to last down to Murphy not playing and Cripps captaining.

Does he really deserve that?

 

[JustaBattler]

There's something of a trend running across the Carlton board at the moment, a kind of 'the king is dead, long live the king' kind of a thing, but Murphy ain't dead just yet.

For me, it isn't so much who he is as a player or the quality of his captaincy, but the fact that he's been Carlton through and through since he got here. He's never once considered leaving, and if he is now i'd be surprised, as it hasn't come up before the 'consider my options', which could as much be code for retirement as a change of venue.

Does he deserve to have people impugn his tenure as captain like that? You might not be here, but plenty are and have. One muppet in the Geelong postmortem put the difference in results from this week to last down to Murphy not playing and Cripps captaining.

Does he really deserve that?

Does Murph "deserve to have people impugn his tenure as Captain" - certainly not I am sure he did his best in very difficult times. i am slo certain he has been rewarded very well for doing so.

Lets not forget that Murph is captain till at least the end of the year. In this context I am a bit perplexed about his decision to PUBLICLY comment on his contractual negotiations.

I was commenting on the difference between an emphatic ' get lost mate I'm staying at Carlton' to the current Captain's public statement(s) - which judging by different people's responses - are ambiguous.

I have said it before and I'll say it again - a bit weird that a Captain of the Club feels the need to make any public statement about his negotiations with the Club over his next contract or his thoughts - pretty poor form in my books . Then again I am old school when it comes to what I think good form or not.

maybe Murph didn't mean to convey any ambiguity whatsoever- and then again Murphy was just parroting whatever his management asked him to say to a media hungry for the next Carlton disaster story.

 

[Gethelred]

Does Murph "deserve to have people impugn his tenure as Captain" - certainly not I am sure he did his best in very difficult times. i am slo certain he has been rewarded very well for doing so.

Lets not forget that Murph is captain till at least the end of the year. In this context I am a bit perplexed about his decision to PUBLICLY comment on his contractual negotiations.

I was commenting on the difference between an emphatic ' get lost mate I'm staying at Carlton' to the current Captain's public statement(s) - which judging by different people's responses - are ambiguous.

I have said it before and I'll say it again - a bit weird that a Captain of the Club feels the need to make any public statement about his negotiations with the Club over his next contract or his thoughts - pretty poor form in my books . Then again I am old school when it comes to what I think good form or not.

maybe Murph didn't mean to convey any ambiguity whatsoever- and then again Murphy was just parroting whatever his management asked him to say to a media hungry for the next Carlton disaster story.

As far as I'm concerned, it's a testament to the current state of the AFL media that they swarm around, outside players homes, outside club headquarters and social venues, that you and others have interpreted him in this way is unsurprising. ****ing vultures, determined to mine each and every bone for the final skerrick of meat; parasites, dwelling in and around those they live to devour. To call yourself a mainstream AFL journalist is to label yourself a defilement of each and everything a club stands for.

It is in recognition of the years that Marc Murphy has given this club, years that had he not been one of us, years that like so many before him and around him could've been spent chasing money or better post footy prospects, that I choose to interpret his comments as a statement towards his potential retirement.

However you choose to see that farce of a statement - because you, of course, consider the merest phrase that leaves your mouth - remember that he chose us. If he leaves, that's on him, but until that second he's completely one of us, and he deserves more than what some are giving him in return.

 

[JustaBattler]

As far as I'm concerned, it's a testament to the current state of the AFL media that they swarm around, outside players homes, outside club headquarters and social venues, that you and others have interpreted him in this way is unsurprising. ******* vultures, determined to mine each and every bone for the final skerrick of meat; parasites, dwelling in and around those they live to devour. To call yourself a mainstream AFL journalist is to label yourself a defilement of each and everything a club stands for.

It is in recognition of the years that Marc Murphy has given this club, years that had he not been one of us, years that like so many before him and around him could've been spent chasing money or better post footy prospects, that I choose to interpret his comments as a statement towards his potential retirement.

However you choose to see that farce of a statement - because you, of course, consider the merest phrase that leaves your mouth - remember that he chose us. If he leaves, that's on him, but until that second he's completely one of us, and he deserves more than what some are giving him in return.

I can understand where you are coming from - but maybe you are over reacting a tad as well.

I am not of the opinion that Murphy is anywhere near retirement stage. Murph is still a gun footballer- maybe not the match winner he once was - but still a gun. He is the best link player in the Club - and his absence from the team robs it if major run and carry capability - always the first to be the extra mid in defence and link from there forwards.

I fully believe that Murph has a place in the side for the next 2-3 years given fitness- as he still is the best runner at carlton. From this perspective I found his comments strange - why would he feel that he has to say anything to a braying media pack - as if he owes them any favours what so ever.

Never crossed my mind once to think he was thinking about retirement. never once have I ever thought he would be anything except a one Club player. Hence my issue/question/puzzelment about his comments.

 

[Gethelred]

I can understand where you are coming from - but maybe you are over reacting a tad as well.

I am not of the opinion that Murphy is anywhere near retirement stage. Murph is still a gun footballer- maybe not the match winner he once was - but still a gun. He is the best link player in the Club - and his absence from the team robs it if major run and carry capability - always the first to be the extra mid in defence and link from there forwards.

I fully believe that Murph has a place in the side for the next 2-3 years given fitness- as he still is the best runner at carlton. From this perspective I found his comments strange - why would he feel that he has to say anything to a braying media pack - as if he owes them any favours what so ever.

Never crossed my mind once to think he was thinking about retirement. never once have I ever thought he would be anything except a one Club player. Hence my issue/question/puzzelment about his comments.

It may not have meant that for you, but it's one thing to keep going when you're at the Hawks or the Swans, and another when you're at the Lions, or at Carlton.

It's also one thing to keep going when you're as durable as Bryce was, or when you're as smashed as Murphy has been in his time here.

Once upon a time, purely by virtue of the jumper he wore, a player would've had our unquestioning support. A captain, the one who our players have chosen to lead them, would've been impervious to criticism, even more than just a player. I'm not enamoured so much of logic that I allow myself not to feel for the club I support; in this way, as a fan of this club and this support, I am completely and unabashedly biased. And so I accuse you, and others, of not doing your part, in supporting a player who will be Carlton right up until he leaves.

You could be right, and I hope you are; that we give him two years and he plays for 4 more, all at a standards we've come to expect. But I don't expect him to leave. And I expect more of those who are, by their own admission, fated - doomed? - to support Carlton.

 

[HARKER]

I'm not enamoured so much of logic that I allow myself not to feel for the club I support; in this way, as a fan of this club and this support, I am completely and unabashedly biased. And so I accuse you, and others, of not doing your part, in supporting a player who will be Carlton right up until he leaves.

You could be right, and I hope you are; at we give him two years and he plays for 4 more, all at a standards we've come to expect. But I don't expect him to leave. And I expect more of those who are, by their own admission, fated - doomed? - to support Carlton.

It's seems to be an odd blend of things you're mixing here in order to determine, to you at least, as to what it means to support a club.

I can't speak for others but I have little issue with Murphy the player. I do have some issues though, but don't wish to repeat them here.
I've also said on numerous occasions that I didn't agree for Murphy to have remained captain this year, for reasons that are becoming patently obvious as we go along, but that's not his fault; it's the clubs for not making a decision when they should have done so, regardless of whether Docherty did his ACL or not.
I understand it would have been harder for that appointment to have come about, if indeed it was front and centre of the football departments mind, but if it was, we should have gone through with it and if dual captaincy was going to be the call, it should have been done.

So in all that it has nothing to do with not supporting Murphy, but more-so in supporting the inevitable future of our leadership and what one may see to have been the better course of action for the club.
Why did this year matter? The sooner we signal the end of the old era and usher in the new, the better. We had the candidates ready to go....2 players that others will follow, listen to, admire on the track and desire to emulate. We could have pulled the trigger but didn't. I would have liked to have seen the tooth pulled, but now the pain lasts just a little bit longer.

 

[Gethelred]

It's seems to be an odd blend of things you're mixing here in order to determine, to you at least, as to what it means to support a club.

I can't speak for others but I have little issue with Murphy the player. I do have some issues though, but don't wish to repeat them here.
I've also said on numerous occasions that I didn't agree for Murphy to have remained captain this year, for reasons that are becoming patently obvious as we go along, but that's not his fault; it's the clubs for not making a decision when they should have done so, regardless of whether Docherty did his ACL or not.
I understand it would have been harder for that appointment to have come about, if indeed it was front and centre of the football departments mind, but if it was, we should have gone through with it and if dual captaincy was going to be the call, it should have been done.

So in all that it has nothing to do with not supporting Murphy, but more-so in supporting the inevitable future of our leadership and what one may see to have been the better course of action for the club.
Why did this year matter? The sooner we signal the end of the old era and usher in the new, the better. We had the candidates ready to go....2 players that others will follow, listen to, admire on the track and desire to emulate. We could have pulled the trigger but didn't. I would have liked to have seen the tooth pulled, but now the pain lasts just a little bit longer.

First things first.

I keep separate my support of Carlton and AFL the sport. I have had to, because when I grew into AFL the sport the year was 2002-3, and we had just suffered the salary cap penalties. I analyse the game from my perspective as a follower of the AFL; I watch the trends, I celebrate good play while observing what works, and I look to history and to success to work out what resembles a well functioning 22.

I keep that to one side when I express my love of and for the club I chose, despite and because of the shit I have copped for my support of them.

It's funny; we're told constantly in our culture what it is to love unconditionally. We're informed of what it takes, and what it means. It may be a hard standard to hold yourself to, let alone others, but in some ways I do.

I will have a go at strategy, at recruitment, at selection. I will have a go at anyone who dares call a Carlton player a list clogger, a squib, or disloyal. I will acknowledge the reality of the competition; I will support Carlton, and it's players, untill I die.

 

[JustaBattler]

First things first.

I keep separate my support of Carlton and AFL the sport. I have had to, because when I grew into AFL the sport the year was 2002-3, and we had just suffered the salary cap penalties. I analyse the game from my perspective as a follower of the AFL; I watch the trends, I celebrate good play while observing what works, and I look to history and to success to work out what resembles a well functioning 22.

I keep that to one side when I express my love of and for the club I chose, despite and because of the shit I have copped for my support of them.

It's funny; we're told constantly in our culture what it is to love unconditionally. We're informed of what it takes, and what it means. It may be a hard standard to hold yourself to, let alone others, but in some ways I do.

I will have a go at strategy, at recruitment, at selection. I will have a go at anyone who dares call a Carlton player a list clogger, a squib, or disloyal. I will acknowledge the reality of the competition; I will support Carlton, and it's players, untill I die.

It is an interesting discussion - only started because the Club Captain is putting his frame of mind out there for public discussion. He is going to have to think about things...

what exactly is there to think about Mr Club Captain?


You posit that he is considering 'retirement' - well thats one read of the situation. It isn't the only read.

 

[norway blue]

Agree with your thoughts jab .


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