Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread

[HARKER]

I'd be irate with 8 wins, personally. 10 seems fair given how we ended 2019, or perhaps I am being naively ambitious?

On face value it may be about right.

If we were to only reel in 8 wins, a percentage of 95 may make it passable.

Really though; Who knows how we'll get next year on the road?

 

[Stamos]

Touch harsh.

Was only employed by a footy club for 6 months. Doesn't really owe us much, and didn't really give them anything, other than to express his disappointment.

More like 3 and a half months

 

[BigFrizz36]

Did you listen to Deluca today?

Let me spell it out for you:
Deluca indicated that he was given an assurance by the CFC that he'd be on the list longer than for the time he has ultimately given.
Deluca indicated that he may have chosen not to nominate (?) had have only a few months been on offer.

I said that Deluca may have been lying but if he wasn't, how should he feel? How would you feel in the same situation?

Deluca may have been fabricating his story or at least fudged a little truths but if he was telling the truth? Does it matter or not?


BTW: What witch hunt are you talking about?
There always has to be an alternate reason to discuss a topic than to just discuss it.
If it isn't sweet to the ear, there must be an agenda or witch hunt or..........

Anf of course "we butchered the draft"

 

[Blue__Balls]

AFL rookie 'devastated and shocked' by Carlton backflip

A downcast Josh Deluca has extended Carlton's messy off-season.

7news.com.au

Ugh. No one wins when articles like this come out , but i think Josh probably has legit reasons to be aggrieved. We probably shouldn't have picked him in the first place.

What I want to know in this situation is - who gave him the impression it was a long-term gig? Cause it's easy to say "Carlton" and make the whole club look complicit, but there's a pretty good chance it was one person, and probably someone who didn't really have the authority to do so. Ultimately, he came over on a 6 month contract to replace someone on the injury list, and for him to get half a dozen AFL games was probably more than most would have got in his circumstances.

Says the move from Perth was a big decision, but goes on to say he and his missus will probably live here anyway...

What are the odds some journo has decided to reach out to anyone we delisted to see if anyone feels "let down".

 

[Stamos]

I think Deluca is a bit rich saying that he wouldn’t have nominated if he’d known it would have been a 6 month stint.

I don't agree.
He probably had a much better shot at a career having a full season in the WAFL and going into the draft. Even players picked in the rookie draft get to have a pre-season, and are on the list for a year.

 

[mochacinolatte]

Deluca just got slapped in the face by the club if it was true that CFC lead him on with a contract. Pretty dog shit move by the club if true.

 

[Stamos]

On face value it may be about right.

If we were to only reel in 8 wins, a percentage of 95 may make it passable.

Really though; Who knows how we'll get next year on the road?

We won 6 of 11 under Teague, missing some pretty key players.
We should be significantly better than that.

 

[HARKER]

D'you want to know what would make the difference to what Deluca said?

Just add a few words to the end of that assurance: if he proved he could perform at the level required. I do not see why anyone making that kind of assurance wouldn't have a caveat in their dialogue with him, because (and I think a few people have hinted at this) it's a business. The media and Deluca report what they've reported, but they exclude the caveat and there's the story in a nutshell. As we do not know what was actually claimed to have been said to him because we were not there, all we have is their speculation, like a lot of things.

On one hand, we can't ban speculation on this website, but I really do wish people would stop taking the bait the media dangle like a wriggling worm on a hook. Their job is to make you sit there and watch/read/listen to them, and some ads while they get to the point.

Maybe I just don't like liars and someone here fudged the truth.

If the CFC promised something they didn't go through - Shit move by the club.

If Deluca had lied about his dealings with the CFC, even by alluding to them - Shit move by Deluca

 

[HARKER]

We won 6 of 11 under Teague, missing some pretty key players.
We should be significantly better than that.

Just telling you what I heard.

Last year it was 7 wins and we got our 7.
Maybe it's just a little buffer for the new coach. I don't know.

 

[Robertio]

On face value it may be about right.

If we were to only reel in 8 wins, a percentage of 95 may make it passable.

Really though; Who knows how we'll get next year on the road?

Richmond supporter on the main board willing to bet anything that we don't win more than 7 games.

 

[Gethelred]

Maybe I just don't like liars and someone here fudged the truth.

If the CFC promised something they didn't go through - Shit move by the club.

If Deluca had lied about his dealings with the CFC, even by alluding to them - Shit move by Deluca

In both cases, neither lied, not really. A lie is not really required.

Deluca informed the reporter of what Carlton said, but he forgot to include the caveat in his disappointment; he'd hardly be the first to blank such a thing, reading it as a done deal, a second chance at a lifelong dream.

If what you allege did indeed take place, then I agree, but I do not see it as a necessary component for this particular news story to occur. More, that they're in a 'punching down' phase at the moment, and while Richmond respond fairly well to a kicking they're the reigning premiers.

 

[mochacinolatte]

I don't agree.
He probably had a much better shot at a career having a full season in the WAFL and going into the draft. Even players picked in the rookie draft get to have a pre-season, and are on the list for a year.

Although I agree with your point Stamos, given that it is hard to be drafted, if some club came up to you and ask to join your AFL club you take it with both hands.

Do you take a half-year guarantee opportunity vs risking at the draft? Both cons and pros on each side.

Just didn't like how we handle the situation with him because:

1. He had to move from interstate for half a season gig of football. That would of taken a decent financial hit. I assume he works part-time along with getting paid in the WAFL.
2. Have an additional year on top of the half-season to protect them financially.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Deluca just got slapped in the face by the club if it was true that CFC lead him on with a contract. Pretty dog shit move by the club if true.

Delucas quote is "I'm pretty sure we'd soken about it earlier before getting drafted".

Just could not be any more vague. Real storm in a teacup here.

 

[gbatman]

I think we can get 12 wins. There is no reason we can't do better and play finals. I think there are a lot of sides in limbo and on the slide next season and a few who have dropped down and staying down. Looking at our fixture and the maturity of the list a finals berth is not out of question.

Richmond - Tough game, unlikely but who knows.
Bulldogs - They seem on the up but it's a winnable one.
Essendon - An average side who haven't given too many reasons to suggest improvement.
Sydney - Seem a bottom side to me.
Hawthorn - Hard to see if they are coming or going but I think this is very winnable.
North - Winnable.
Port - Winnable.
Saints - Winnable.
Collingwood - Tough to beat but a winnable game.
Adelaide - Winnable.
Bulldogs again - Winnable.
GWS - Probably pretty tough to beat them.
Fremantle - Winnable. Rebuilding side.
Geelong - Coming or going? Getting older and age will get them soon. I think next year could be a fall for the Cats.
Suns - Win.
Swans again - Win.
Lons - Expect them to be good, beat them last year up there, down here it's game on.
Eagles - Flag favorite IMO, hard to see us getting this one.
North again - We don't play them well but they aren't great.
Richmond again - Tough game.
Melbourne - Terrible this year, could be better but there is no guarantee.
Saints again - Think we have them covered.

I guess I am confident after last year and from where I believe the list is at maturity wise. I just look at our draw and to me there are a lot of winnable games but in saying that a lot of them are 50/50 games.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I've got 8 games pegged for wins (green), 6 games I think we'll be very hard pressed to get the points (red), and another 8 that could fall either way. 10+ wins should be the minimum based on that, and anything above 12 would be a really good showing.

R1. Richmond
R2. WBD
R3. Essendon
R4. Sydney (A)
R5. Hawthorn
R6. North
R7. Port (A)
R8. St Kilda
R9. Collingwood
R10. Adelaide (A)
R11. WBD
R12. GWS
R13. BYE
R14. Freo (A)
R15. Geelong
R16. Gold Coast (A)
R17. Sydney
R18. Brisbane
R19. West Coast
R20. North
R21. Richmond
R22. Melbourne
R23. St Kilda

 

[huddler]

I went through the fixture and I count 14 wins. Bank it.

 

[bigm386]

Touch harsh.

Was only employed by a footy club for 6 months. Doesn't really owe us much, and didn't really give them anything, other than to express his disappointment.

Not the first interview he has done since the delisting. To be fair

 

[Jeremias]

We stuffed the mid-season draft, but not for a second am I buying that we 'promised' Deluca anything.

If we did, why wouldn't the club, or the player and his management, have pushed for a contract that reflected that promise?

As for Josh not being sure whether or not he'd take up the offer had he known it may only be for 3 months....please, spare us. If you're desperate to rekindle the dream of an AFL career, you'll take any opportunity to do so, even if you're only guaranteed a short stint.

 

[Aphrodite]

Richmond supporter on the main board willing to bet anything that we don't win more than 7 games.

Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[ParapMarkets]

In both cases, neither lied, not really. A lie is not really required.

Deluca informed the reporter of what Carlton said, but he forgot to include the caveat in his disappointment; he'd hardly be the first to blank such a thing, reading it as a done deal, a second chance at a lifelong dream.

If what you allege did indeed take place, then I agree, but I do not see it as a necessary component for this particular news story to occur. More, that they're in a 'punching down' phase at the moment, and while Richmond respond fairly well to a kicking they're the reigning premiers.

What caveat are you suggesting was there? I'm not disagreeing there would have been a caveat as it makes complete sense that we would not give an absolute 100% assurance, but what sort of caveats would have been placed that would exclude a further year for him?

He wasn't going to suddenly turn into Dusty Martin, his performances were as good as could be expected given his career to this point and the fact he was being played as a small forward. To me, the fact that he managed to play as many games as he did suggests that the club were happy with his actions around the club. He didn't get a full pre-season and a full year to prove his worth, it was an extremely short period of time he was here and I just question what more he could have done. We should have known what type of player he was before he was recruited. I just don't think it's a good look for Carlton.

 

[Gethelred]

What caveat are you suggesting was there? I'm not disagreeing there would have been a caveat as it makes complete sense that we would not give an absolute 100% assurance, but what sort of caveats would have been placed that would exclude a further year for him?

This is what I said, in my original post to HARKER:

Just add a few words to the end of that assurance: if he proved he could perform at the level required.

This is my caveat, which would be in place in some form or another in every set of negotiations were I a (-n extremely underqualified) list manager.

He wasn't going to suddenly turn into Dusty Martin, his performances were as good as could be expected given his career to this point and the fact he was being played as a small forward. To me, the fact that he managed to play as many games as he did suggests that the club were happy with his actions around the club. He didn't get a full pre-season and a full year to prove his worth, it was an extremely short period of time he was here and I just question what more he could have done. We should have known what type of player he was before he was recruited. I just don't think it's a good look for Carlton.

I absolutely question his drafting, but I fail to see the news in the delisting of someone who was brought in as injury cover for a midfield that suddenly found itself working. I also do not see the point in debating the optics of a situation that occurs comp wide at the conclusion of a season.

This story could've been penned of Sydney, who delisted someone under the same circumstances; this story could've been written with the details twisted into specifics for each club in the competition.

Bad news about us sells. That's about as far as things go for me.

 

[Own The Future]

We stuffed the mid-season draft, but not for a second am I buying that we 'promised' Deluca anything.

If we did, why wouldn't the club, or the player and his management, have pushed for a contract that reflected that promise?

As for Josh not being sure whether or not he'd take up the offer had he known it may only be for 3 months....please, spare us. If you're desperate to rekindle the dream of an AFL career, you'll take any opportunity to do so, even if you're only guaranteed a short stint.

Totally agree.

 

[ESKIE]

Did you listen to Deluca today?

Let me spell it out for you:
Deluca indicated that he was given an assurance by the CFC that he'd be on the list longer than for the time he has ultimately given.
Deluca indicated that he may have chosen not to nominate (?) had have only a few months been on offer.

I said that Deluca may have been lying but if he wasn't, how should he feel? How would you feel in the same situation?

Deluca may have been fabricating his story or at least fudged a little truths but if he was telling the truth? Does it matter or not?


BTW: What witch hunt are you talking about?
There always has to be an alternate reason to discuss a topic than to just discuss it.
If it isn't sweet to the ear, there must be an agenda or witch hunt or..........

Fifty shades of grey in there Harker, indicating, may have been lying, fabricating...

he was given a 6 month contract

 

[HARKER]

Fifty shades of grey in there Harker, indicating, may have been lying, fabricating...
he was given a 6 month contract

Yes, that was the case and who knows for a handshake and a wink?

Whichever way though, it's somewhat annoying that so many seem to leave our club under less than ideal circumstances.
You naturally side with the club once, twice, thrice etc but when this disharmony starts showing up all too often, you have to question - Why?

 

[JustaBattler]

Shyte happens is why - it is the way of the world.