The diving thread

[3dees]

Keep your hands to yourself, in a game of football? LMAO

After the siren YIP for sure!

 

[wing it]

Don't punch, don't get rubbed out.
Is there some part of that you can't get your head around or should I explain it further.
Makes no difference if he stood there and took it or ended up 3 feet under - Schofield still gets a week.
It really is quite simple.

But it DOES make a difference. The impact of the contact is taken into account in forming the decision. Hence the need for a medical report.

 

[wing it]

After the siren YIP for sure!

It ain't netball.

 

[TheNest]

Don't punch, don't get rubbed out.
Is there some part of that you can't get your head around or should I explain it further.
Makes no difference if he stood there and took it or ended up 3 feet under - Schofield still gets a week.
It really is quite simple.

But it's really not.

Parker got fined for a similar incident in the same round with more force behind the elbow. They assessed it as to the body but the video doesn't lie.

The only difference between the two is Baguley didn't flop on contact.

 

[Woody15]

Don't punch, don't get rubbed out.
Is there some part of that you can't get your head around or should I explain it further.
Makes no difference if he stood there and took it or ended up 3 feet under - Schofield still gets a week.
It really is quite simple.

You're missing the point. Players shove each other all the time in games. Elbows, forearms, whatever. Try to ignore the fact that the 'victim' is a player from the team you support for a second. Are you happy seeing someone get rubbed out for this? Will you take the same stance in future weeks if a Melbourne player is suspended for something so soft? Take the same stance if a player loses a Brownlow, or misses finals?

The problem with this suspension is that it is now setting a very low bar and people like you who seem to be gloating and celebrating the suspension are actually celebrating a soft game. We ask for consistency with the MRP and we're not getting it. Parkers elbow, Cotchins punch even Walters getting a fine for dropping his knees into Dangers lower back. And you're trying to tell me Schofield's was the worst of those? Please.

 

[TheNest]

After the siren YIP for sure!

Does that go for Oliver shoving Shuey moments before the elbow as well?

 

[Sando22]

But it DOES make a difference. The impact of the contact is taken into account in forming the decision. Hence the need for a medical report.

But it's really not.

Parker got fined for a similar incident in the same round with more force behind the elbow. They assessed it as to the body but the video doesn't lie.

The only difference between the two is Baguley didn't flop on contact.

You're missing the point. Players shove each other all the time in games. Elbows, forearms, whatever. Try to ignore the fact that the 'victim' is a player from the team you support for a second. Are you happy seeing someone get rubbed out for this? Will you take the same stance in future weeks if a Melbourne player is suspended for something so soft? Take the same stance if a player loses a Brownlow, or misses finals?

The problem with this suspension is that it is now setting a very low bar and people like you who seem to be gloating and celebrating the suspension are actually celebrating a soft game. We ask for consistency with the MRP and we're not getting it. Parkers elbow, Cotchins punch even Walters getting a fine for dropping his knees into Dangers lower back. And you're trying to tell me Schofield's was the worst of those? Please.

Hit him in the head.
FWIW I hate that he gets a week for such a soft hit but they are the rules. They are sh*t but that's what they are.

 

[nameless]

Hit him in the head.
FWIW I hate that he gets a week for such a soft hit but they are the rules. They are sh*t but that's what they are.

And yet we have countless examples that they aren't actually the rules.

Fyfe, Cotchin, Selwood, Parker etc.
All hits to the head not suspended.

 

[TheNest]

Hit him in the head.
FWIW I hate that he gets a week for such a soft hit but they are the rules. They are sh*t but that's what they are.

If they are the rules, why does Parker not get the same punishment?

Clearly also got him in the head.

The lack of consistency 'within' rounds, let alone from round to round, is what grinds my gears.

 

[Sando22]

If they are the rules, why does Parker not get the same punishment?

Clearly also got him in the head.

The lack of consistency 'within' rounds, let alone from round to round, is what grinds my gears.

I agree.
But Parkers was assessed as a hit to the body.
Tht's the MRP's mistake if he in fact got him in the head.
There's the difference.

 

[FRUMPY]

As a female who does taekwondo - my elbow is my first choice strike for self defense - I can put hardly any effort or energy in and know that it will impact hard enough for me to get away or plan my next self defense move.

And how many opponents stand there for a second or 2 then drop like they were hit by a car? Just a pea heart, even more laughable was his tough-guy act when teammates are having a go at schofield.

 

[Benji85]

(G) STAGING

A Player will be reported for staging. Staging can include excessive exaggeration of contact in an unsportsmanlike manner. Staging shall be a Reportable Offence as it may:

»»Affect umpires' decision-making;
»»Incite a melee; and/or
»»Not be in the spirit of the game (unsportsmanlike)

(Via WCE board/HoneyBadger35)

 

[Checkered]

Melbourne nuffies out in force defending their favourite red headed son

 

[wing it]

Melbourne nuffies out in force defending their favourite red headed son

Its telling that they are the only ones defending Flopiver and/or thinking Schofield deserved a suspension. Can any non Melbourne supporters who also think this please reply to this post? Genuinely curious

 

[wing it]

Eagles challenging. Thank christ

 

[whatis]

I agree.
But Parkers was assessed as a hit to the body.
Tht's the MRP's mistake if he in fact got him in the head.
There's the difference.

The difference is that everybody including the AFL would generally rather incidental hits like Parker's and Schofield's didn't result in suspensions every week. Oliver's acting job forcing the AFLs hand here though, and backed up by the club doctor.

Are we allowed to see these doctor reports if the suspension is challenged? From what I can tell a mention of pain from Oliver is enough. Something you would assume he would mention directly after hamming it up on live TV. But we're left with no chance of him talking it down afterwards now either as going off his social media, he is doubling down acting seriously shaken/offended.

Regardless of what happens to Schofield, just a poor look for the player and for the game really. Unfortunate incident to still be talking about too as was a reasonably decent match otherwise.

 

[Benji85]

"AFL match review panel member Jimmy Bartel says Melbourne’s post-match medical report indicated there was sufficient force in West Coast defender Will Schofield’s strike on Clayton Oliver’s to warrant a suspension.

That force was also enough to see the emerging Demons midfielder escape sanction under the league’s ‘staging’ rule"

So Melbourne medicos doctored a report knowing that if they didn't their boy would cop a suspension for diving. So from now on any club doctors can just make something up to protect a diver. Seems legit

 

[Tap Tap Tapperoo]

No denying it's a farce. If ever there was "insufficient force", that was it.

Oliver has copped more than his fair share of criticism, and I was hoping they would just clear Schofield, and we could all just move on.

 

[Beerfish]

Its telling that they are the only ones defending Flopiver and/or thinking Schofield deserved a suspension. Can any non Melbourne supporters who also think this please reply to this post? Genuinely curious

Have been defending him from the start. I don't think Schofield deserved a suspension as it was clearly an accident but the pillorying of a 19 year old across social media for daring to fall over after copping an elbow to the chin he wasn't expecting has been nothing short of disgusting.

 

[nameless]

Have been defending him from the start. I don't think Schofield deserved a suspension as it was clearly an accident but the pillorying of a 19 year old across social media for daring to fall over after copping an elbow to the chin he wasn't expecting has been nothing short of disgusting.

I agree that bullying is an issue on the internet and hope that most people aren't going over the top in their slandering of the player.
My issue has been with the MRP more than the player.

Although he could probably make it easier by not antagonising people on his social media (D. Martyn, a few profile pics that draw the spotlight).

And I don't understand his age being an issue, if 19 is too young for a person to cop some spotlight maybe we should raise the minimum age that a player can play, or ban young players from being on social media to protect them? (not a serious suggestion, but you have to grow up fast when in the public eye like he is)

 

[Scotland]

I hope every player that is "targeted" by the Melbourne tough guys falls to the ground and writhes in agony from now on. That'll piss the AFL off no end.

 

[3dees]

It ain't netball.

After the siren it ceases to be a game of anything - siren goes, game time is finished until the officials re start it - it is the same in all sports.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Keep your hands to yourself, in a game of football? LMAO

This excuse doesn't fly with me.

As you said, it's a game of football. Not MMA/boxing. Elbows and fists shouldn't be going near peoples heads after the siren.

If you want to swing at someone, even to get a flinch, be prepared to cop the consequences, because it is a game of football and there's no ****ing need for it.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Have been defending him from the start. I don't think Schofield deserved a suspension as it was clearly an accident but the pillorying of a 19 year old across social media for daring to fall over after copping an elbow to the chin he wasn't expecting has been nothing short of disgusting.

He is loving the attention. If it was really affecting him he could quite easily not make it his profile picture and slag off famous people himself.

 

[SterlingArcher]

"AFL match review panel member Jimmy Bartel says Melbourne’s post-match medical report indicated there was sufficient force in West Coast defender Will Schofield’s strike on Clayton Oliver’s to warrant a suspension.

That force was also enough to see the emerging Demons midfielder escape sanction under the league’s ‘staging’ rule"

So Melbourne medicos doctored a report knowing that if they didn't their boy would cop a suspension for diving. So from now on any club doctors can just make something up to protect a diver. Seems legit

1) He wouldn't be suspended for diving

2) Guarantee club doctors aren't risking their jobs by making stuff up in official medical reports.