The draft confuses me.

[PieLebo87]

This year in particular.

It seems almost every club got a 'steal'.

Based on what everything I've read, there are about 30 top 10 players from this draft who are now on an AFL list. I'm pretty damn good with my maths but 30 just doesn't fit into 10 in my books

Langdon was supposedly a top 20 player, Marsh was a first rounder, Scharenberg was a top 3-4 player and this is just Collingwood alone. My mates rate their later picks as supposedly being worthy of being first rounders. This guy should've gone top 10, that guy would've been a first rounder.. so on and so forth.

Moral of the story - every player drafted is being heavily overrated until they prove their worth at AFL level.

Dane Swan says hello from pick 736358.

End rant.

Begin your discussion on your thoughts.

 

[TradeDraft]

Well after every draft every team says they got a Steal.

We won't Really Know who did well in the Draft for another 2-3 Seasons to see how has made it or who has gone the other way and out of the League

 

[the mighty T]

Ultimately draft position means naught. The intangibles like work ethic and commitment when combined with talent are what makes a player good, great or average. Swanny is a great example of hard work paying off, as are guys like Maxwell.

Marsh has all the athletic tools and the body type to be an impactful player in the AFL provided he can put the hard yards in and fix up his deficiencies.

 

[Ed D]

Like what Dave said, all clubs will sell their selections to their members, it happens every year. I guess this year because the top 15 or so was fairly open there are a lot of players who were at some point rated as a top 10/1st round selection, even though in reality they weren't.

 

[Hagla]

Well... Everyone else is actually dreaming, they didn't get any steals. We however, got 4 absolute steals. In all honesty if we had picks 1,2,3 and 4, the draft probably would have gone 1. Scharenberg 2. Freeman 3. Langdon 4. Marsh 5. Pleb 6. Muppet 7. Overrated 8. Project etc... Poor bastards think they've done well, humor them.

 

[Rioli2Gunstall]

So true OP, and every article has them listed as a 'slider' that the club couldnt believe was still available, the club would have been happy to use there 1st round pick on their 3 rnd player etc etc. All media beat up and beat off that means very little, but hey hope sells
Just popped in to congratulate on a couple of rippers u guys picked up. Very exciting times ahead. I was very impressed with Collingwoods draft and told the guys at work to keep an eye on them cos theyre gonna be superstars. Enjoy the climb back to another premiership very soon

 

[Smoky]

We got a Steele in the draft once...

 

[Hinequarters]

It's generally accepted that we smashed the draft.. I don't know what the others are rabbiting on about

 

[motr]

This year in particular.

It seems almost every club got a 'steal'.

Based on what everything I've read, there are about 30 top 10 players from this draft who are now on an AFL list. I'm pretty damn good with my maths but 30 just doesn't fit into 10 in my books

Langdon was supposedly a top 20 player, Marsh was a first rounder, Scharenberg was a top 3-4 player and this is just Collingwood alone. My mates rate their later picks as supposedly being worthy of being first rounders. This guy should've gone top 10, that guy would've been a first rounder.. so on and so forth.

Moral of the story - every player drafted is being heavily overrated until they prove their worth at AFL level.

Dane Swan says hello from pick 736358.

End rant.

Begin your discussion on your thoughts.

Because each recruiter has their own criteria, there is no absolute top 10. Hine believed there was a real separation between the top 10 and the rest, but another recruiter may have had Lewis Taylor, Ben Lenon, Dom Sheed or Blake Acres above Freeman. An astute recruiter might project Cameron McCarthy into the top ten, even though a late get like Langdon is likely to play AFL before him.

And that's before the draft really opens up. So from the perspective of each recruiter, they will all have steals at the moment, based on their selection criteria. Even after this group of players matures, there'll be plenty of debate over which of them belong in the top ten for their draft. That's because we all have a different criteria for judging the value of players.

 

[ppoiter]

This year in particular.

It seems almost every club got a 'steal'.

Totally agree with the OP. Its one of the reasons I think draft picks are always massively overrated at the trade table

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

I guess another problem this year was that - as a lot of recruiters and managers have been saying - you could throw a blanket over the top 15 - 20, perhaps with the exception of Boyd and maybe one or two others. So some teams that picked up a guy outside the top ten might have felt they got a bargain. But I agree, this stuff happens every year and is really just membership propaganda. We won't know who the draft winners and losers are for a couple of years.

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

So true OP, and every article has them listed as a 'slider' that the club couldnt believe was still available, the club would have been happy to use there 1st round pick on their 3 rnd player etc etc. All media beat up and beat off that means very little, but hey hope sells
Just popped in to congratulate on a couple of rippers u guys picked up. Very exciting times ahead. I was very impressed with Collingwoods draft and told the guys at work to keep an eye on them cos theyre gonna be superstars. Enjoy the climb back to another premiership very soon

Thanks mate. And since you're being so gracious, congrats on your team's first class recruiting over the past few years. The results of which were obvious this September. Certainly the benchmark for mine, along with Sydney and Geelong. We would hope to join you on that perch.

 

[ipswichpies]

We will not know whether or not this picks are all successful for a few seasons but I will say that I am happy with the improvement in and aggressive trading under Buckley we at least have a purpose in mind for most picks.

I do not know whether or not all our changes will work ,probably not but at least Buckley won,t die wondering he identifies something and moves fast to rectify and I am happy with that.

Under Malthouse we also had some success he did net us Swan,Pendles and Thomas but our recruiting has definitely sharpened up under Buckley.I am satisfied with all our choices we have made in the drafts and trading periods I feel more confident than ever with our picking these days.

 

[Albert Ross]

If you are a recruiting manager and you get to pick 20 in the draft your choices are

1. Pick a guy you had ranked 12th who is still available at pick 20.
2. Pick the guy you had ranked 20th at pick 20.
3. Pick the guy you had ranked 35th at pick 20.

Probably only a moron would do number 3, so it is basically impossible for a club to emerge from a draft disappointed or without players they rated higher than the pick they took them with.

Every club must get the players they thought they would, or better ones. No other outcome possible.

 

[76woodenspooners]

This year in particular.

It seems almost every club got a 'steal'.

Based on what everything I've read, there are about 30 top 10 players from this draft who are now on an AFL list. I'm pretty damn good with my maths but 30 just doesn't fit into 10 in my books

It's easy, let me explain it to you ...

It's like 18 recruiters go to the market to go shopping.

So on draft day the recruiters each have their shopping list - carrots, tomatoes, parsnips, etc. The market opens and all the recruiters go rushing off to fill their list.

A bunch of recruiters might have "tomatoes" on their list, and they find themselves fighting over who gets the best tomatoes.

The Carlton recruiter has "potatoes" on his list (a nice accompaniment to a sausage sizzle) so he rushes off to get some nice big bags of spuds. The Carlton recruiter has the potato section mostly to himself, so he's happy.

The Essendon recruiter has very limited access to the market because he got busted in some scam last year involving the use of illegal fertilisers.

The Collingwood recruiter heads straight to the cherry section, and is delighted to find he has it all to himself and he can relax and spend the whole day there picking out the best cherries.

At the end of the day every recruiter comes home with a full shopping bag, their list generally filled. Some would have grabbed a bargain or two, but all will be looking forward to the feast they can make.

 

[Lockyer24]

You will always pick a player you ranked equal or better than their actual selection number, under the best available method

 

[DaVe86]

It's not too hard to work out.

At the end of the day its about how the individual recruiter rates the player. Sometimes, recruiters also know something a few others might not.

It's all subjective. Just because we all think a player is the 10th best in the rankings, does not mean each individual recruiter rates him that high.

I've seen people on BF rate Freeman as highly as Dangerfield...others are calling him a Shuey, whilst I've seen plenty say he is a Matt White and will never be a star.

At the end of the day, all these players have talent, its about what each club can do with those talents, and whether they fit the needs of the club.

 

[loki04]

This year in particular.

It seems almost every club got a 'steal'.

Based on what everything I've read, there are about 30 top 10 players from this draft who are now on an AFL list. I'm pretty damn good with my maths but 30 just doesn't fit into 10 in my books

Langdon was supposedly a top 20 player, Marsh was a first rounder, Scharenberg was a top 3-4 player and this is just Collingwood alone. My mates rate their later picks as supposedly being worthy of being first rounders. This guy should've gone top 10, that guy would've been a first rounder.. so on and so forth.

Moral of the story - every player drafted is being heavily overrated until they prove their worth at AFL level.

Dane Swan says hello from pick 736358.

End rant.

Begin your discussion on your thoughts.

Langdon was 17th on OUR list he may have been pick 70 on all the others, was mentioned pre draft that after the top 10-12 it is extremely even so much so that 1 team may rate a kid top 20 while another not think he is draft worthy.

Marsh was thought to go in the 2nd or 3rd round, athletic potential pick could be a gun or could be delisted in 2 years.

Schazzaberg was rated top 3 by just about every man and his dog bfr the feet injury then that and the fact club needs saw him slip to us.

Freeman went about expected.

*Sheed was a major slider for mine, WC have a 250 game gun.

Every team thinks they got a bargain/s but that is going off their own ratings list and as we know 70% are more then likely to play no more then 50 games.

 

[PieLebo87]

I like 76woodenspooners's explanation the best lol

 

[RuFiO]

If you are a recruiting manager and you get to pick 20 in the draft your choices are

1. Pick a guy you had ranked 12th who is still available at pick 20.
2. Pick the guy you had ranked 20th at pick 20.
3. Pick the guy you had ranked 35th at pick 20.

Probably only a moron would do number 3, so it is basically impossible for a club to emerge from a draft disappointed or without players they rated higher than the pick they took them with.

Every club must get the players they thought they would, or better ones. No other outcome possible.

You just called Carlton's head of recruiting a moron.
And I second that.

 

[DermiesLuvChild]

If you are a recruiting manager and you get to pick 20 in the draft your choices are

1. Pick a guy you had ranked 12th who is still available at pick 20.
2. Pick the guy you had ranked 20th at pick 20.
3. Pick the guy you had ranked 35th at pick 20.

Probably only a moron would do number 3, so it is basically impossible for a club to emerge from a draft disappointed or without players they rated higher than the pick they took them with.

Every club must get the players they thought they would, or better ones. No other outcome possible.

"I have a formula for that"

 

[THATSGOLD]

I dont believe for a second we could have rated Langdon at pick 17 overall if no one took him for 64 picks.
Hine said himself the draft falls away after about the first 10 picks.

 

[Hinequarters]

I dont believe for a second we could have rated Langdon at pick 17 overall if no one took him for 64 picks.
Hine said himself the draft falls away after about the first 10 picks.

He said the first 10 were very good and after that it was reasonable to 30 and then fell off a cliff.. and unless both Hine and Bucks lied on the day of the draft their sheet had Langdon at 17

 

[THATSGOLD]

He said the first 10 were very good and after that it was reasonable to 30 and then fell off a cliff.. and unless both Hine and Bucks lied on the day of the draft their sheet had Langdon at 17

I can see what he means. In recent years Freeman may have gone in the 20s in to 30s because the talent didn't run as deep. Most of the players in this draft aren't going to work out by the sounds of it.

 

[Hinequarters]

I can see what he means. In recent years Freeman may have gone in the 20s in to 30s because the talent didn't run as deep. Most of the players in this draft aren't going to work out by the sounds of it.

Except all of ours right