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Are you saying BigFooty is propped up by tax dollars? Why haven't gone to A Current Affair about this?
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Are you saying BigFooty is propped up by tax dollars? Why haven't gone to A Current Affair about this?
Do you get paid less than your male counterparts? If so, why?Cool. I've worked IT / Tech for over 15 years. I have a pretty good idea.
Do you get paid less than your male counterparts? If so, why?
Now? No. But in the past? Yes.
Because I’ve made sure I ask for a pay increase and opportunities. I learnt early if you don’t ask - you get nothing.
Like I said in this thread the pay gap is shrinking. That’s due to a few things - and a big reason imo it’s because women are asking for fair wages and increases.
Well feminists should talk to women about being grown ups rather than shrieking at everyone else for being sexist. Men don't tend to get pay increases out of the blue without asking either.
The science on this unequivocal: it’s bullshit.What is often talked about - is how girls are inadvertently taught to ‘be quiet, don’t ask for things, don’t be demanding, don’t be “bossy” ’. This carries to the real world and has implications.
Like I said in this thread the pay gap is shrinking. That’s due to a few things - and a big reason imo it’s because women are asking for fair wages and increases.
But...18%!!!When you compare males and females in similar roles and with the same level of experience there's no gender pay gap at all.
The gender pay gap will be comparable for two male and female graduates, but is likely to increase as they get older (ie: when women marry and have kids etc.)When you compare males and females in similar roles and with the same level of experience there's no gender pay gap at all.
And? Why? What's to be done about this?The gender pay gap will be comparable for two male and female graduates, but is likely to increase as they get older (ie: when women marry and have kids etc.)
It's much less likely to see women in senior management roles and when they are, they're generally in lower paid industries.
Facts!
The gender pay gap will be comparable for two male and female graduates, but is likely to increase as they get older (ie: when women marry and have kids etc.)
it's s**t.And?
many reasons.Why?
i personally advocate for fixing it.What's to be done about this?
gender pay gap increases over time, makes sense i think.The bolded part makes no sense.
all true. but i dont think thats the only reason.Women getting married won't make a difference to their pay. Dropping out of the workforce to look after children will curtail the level of experience, miss out on promotions and annual pay rises.
Agreed for the first two, but the devil is in the detail for the latter.it's s**t.
many reasons.
i personally advocate for fixing it.
gender pay gap increases over time, makes sense i think.
all true. but i dont think thats the only reason.
I think the reasons for the pay gap are a bit more complicated.
I think the first step to fixing it is acknowledging it exists and recognising the role discrimination & bias plays in hiring and pay decisions. Which is happening thankfully.Agreed for the first two, but the devil is in the detail for the latter.
Discrimination against hiring women is illegal and rightfully. I would suggest that this occurring is a rare exception. Bias is harder to determine and may be more prevalent. Given the public push to address these issues, I'd like to think they are slowly being mitigated.I think the first step to fixing it is acknowledging it exists and recognising the role discrimination & bias plays in hiring and pay decisions. Which is happening thankfully.
I really think that is true of 30 years ago but not today. Empowerment of women has been the dominant narrative of media and education for a long time now. The most recent generations of girls would very rarely come across the messages you are talking about. Perhaps the earnings gap will be eroded over time as the lag between generations and the as-of-today stats closes.Women are brought up to be complacent and polite and told if they rock the boat they'll end up childless and unloved at age 40 so consequently they don't end up chasing kick ass jobs because they're not supposed to. Thankfully this is also changing and that's why I think feminism is awesome (that's another thread though sorry).
AFAIK the gender pay gap in Australia is being reduced so I agree these issues are being mitigated.Discrimination against hiring women is illegal and rightfully. I would suggest that this occurring is a rare exception. Bias is harder to determine and may be more prevalent. Given the public push to address these issues, I'd like to think they are slowly being mitigated.
Not as bluntly. But in my mind this message certainly exists still; (ie: the AFL giving the women's league two seasons before reducing it into a gimmick)I really think that is true of 30 years ago but not today. Empowerment of women has been the dominant narrative of media and education for a long time now. The most recent generations of girls would very rarely come across the messages you are talking about. Perhaps the earnings gap will be eroded over time as the lag between generations and the as-of-today stats closes.
The million dollar question!it's about what collectivist ideology is saying we should do to fix it. That's the concerns I have.
A lot of it is to do with union agreements.The bolded part makes no sense.
Women getting married won't make a difference to their pay. Dropping out of the workforce to look after children will curtail the level of experience, miss out on promotions and annual pay rises. This applies to men or women who stay at home to look after children. I don't what the 'etc' is.
Women are brought up to be complacent and polite and told if they rock the boat they'll end up childless and unloved at age 40 so consequently they don't end up chasing kick ass jobs because they're not supposed to.
If you think about the 5 women closest to you, how many fit that description? I'm at 0/5.
It was an astounding claim and I can only guess it's a sign of the guys personal viewsIf you think about the 5 women closest to you, how many fit that description? I'm at 0/5.
Companies paying women's super while they're off having kids would be beneficial, as would more flexibility in senior management roles so women can look after little people & do their (unfair) share of domestic stuff.