The "good old" VFL days are over and there's nothing you can do about it

[master bate]

Um ...
Last time I looked only one team is traveling interstate.

Does the one hour plane ride and staying at a hotel matter?

Swans have probably played more big games than the Dogs at the G in recent years and will have plenty of support both with old South Melbourne fans and travelling fans.

I really don't think the usual regular season advantages of a home ground advantage - crowd, long flight travel, preparation time apply. The overwhelming build up of grand final week and how teams handle that must be a bigger influence.

 

[gorilla92]

Like who?
91 was at waverly
97 and 98 the crows won
01,02,03 the lions were a pretty good side
07 the cats were going to win that game anywhere
13,14 and 15 the hawks were too good.

If anything playing at the G is bad for etihad sides

13,14, and 15 grand finals would have undoubtedly gone the other way had they been played at Subiaco and the SCG. Waverly was the Hawk's home ground, no? What if the game was played at Subi? That's 4 grand finals that could have gone other way if not for the clear advantage that the Hawks have had. Hawthorn should have two less flags, West Coast should have one more.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

huh

 

[gorilla92]

Not if both sides are interstate.

Maybe this year's grand final SHOULD be played at Subi?

I'm blaming the result on the fact that Victorian teams are getting unfair advantages whenever they are playing grand finals. Why, in 2016, does this massively unfair advantage still exist? There is zero reason to play the grand final at Subiaco this year as neither Subiaco oval tenants are playing in the grand final. Sydney are the more deserving side this year, and thus, the grand final should have been played at the SCG.

 

[Feerits Elf]

13,14, and 15 grand finals would have undoubtedly gone the other way had they been played at Subiaco and the SCG. Waverly was the Hawk's home ground, no? What if the game was played at Subi? That's 4 grand finals that could have gone other way if not for the clear advantage that the Hawks have had. Hawthorn should have two less flags, West Coast should have one more.

So you concede that West Coast would have lost either the 1991 or the 2015 Grand Final had they been played at Subiaco?

That's a significant concession.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

I'm blaming the result on the fact that Victorian teams are getting unfair advantages whenever they are playing grand finals. Why, in 2016, does this massively unfair advantage still exist? There is zero reason to play the grand final at Subiaco this year as neither Subiaco oval tenants are playing in the grand final. Sydney are the more deserving side this year, and thus, the grand final should have been played at the SCG.

Sydney aren't more deserving. They've lost a final whereas Bulldogs haven't. Sydney were more deserving of a double chance but not more deserving of a home final.

 

[TheSunGod]

 

[Leather Poisoning]

13,14, and 15 grand finals would have undoubtedly gone the other way had they been played at Subiaco and the SCG. Waverly was the Hawk's home ground, no? What if the game was played at Subi? That's 4 grand finals that could have gone other way if not for the clear advantage that the Hawks have had. Hawthorn should have two less flags, West Coast should have one more.

hahahahaa "undoubtedly"

You're being ridiculous now.

 

[Feerits Elf]

hahahahaa "undoubtedly"

You're being ridiculous now.

Just now?

 

[Wild Bill]

You people. The Victorians who went to the parade today. The parade which is one of the reasons why the grand final is still unfairly played at the MCG.

Don't like it - follow the WAFL. Interstate sides knew what they were signing up for. It will never change - nor it should.

 

[blue harvest]

13,14, and 15 grand finals would have undoubtedly gone the other way had they been played at Subiaco and the SCG. Waverly was the Hawk's home ground, no? What if the game was played at Subi? That's 4 grand finals that could have gone other way if not for the clear advantage that the Hawks have had. Hawthorn should have two less flags, West Coast should have one more.

Undoubtedly? Lol.
2013 we finished top
2014 we beat the Swans a few weeks before the finals and flogged them on GF day.
2015 we beat the Eagles a few weeks before finals at Subi and flogged them on GF day.
1991 we beat the Eagles in the QF at Subi and flogged them on GF day. Princes Park was our home ground in 91, not Waverley.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

13,14, and 15 grand finals would have undoubtedly gone the other way had they been played at Subiaco and the SCG. Waverly was the Hawk's home ground, no? What if the game was played at Subi? That's 4 grand finals that could have gone other way if not for the clear advantage that the Hawks have had. Hawthorn should have two less flags, West Coast should have one more.

Did you watch the grand finals where the hawks won?

They carved sydney apart and then did the same to the eagles.

In 91 the hawks won by nearly 10 goals so there goes that argument too.

So its only 13 and freo choked and hawks were too good also.

 

[gorilla92]

So you concede that West Coast would have lost either the 1991 or the 2015 Grand Final had they been played at Subiaco?

That's a significant concession.

I meant two.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Glad eagles arent there tomorrow given they give up because its all too hard away from Perth

Might get a contest now

 

[gorilla92]

Did you watch the grand finals where the hawks won?

They carved sydney apart and then did the same to the eagles.

In 91 the hawks won by nearly 10 goals so there goes that argument too.

So its only 13 and freo choked and hawks were too good also.

The ground makes all the difference. There's no way that Sydney would have been smashed at home, especially considering they were heavy favorites. They clearly must have choked on the day due to not playing at home. West Coast smashed Hawthorn 3 three weeks prior in 2015. in '91, the game was close up until the 4th quarter until Hawthorn went on to have a big last quarter - something that usually happens for the home team.

 

[gorilla92]

Glad eagles arent there tomorrow given they give up because its all too hard away from Perth

Might get a contest now

Sydney would smash the Bulldogs at home. Alas, the AFL's pets get to play yet another game in their state, so Sydney will smash the Bulldogs by only slightly less.

 

[Bombermania]

No chance. There will be numerous more grand finals in which Victorian teams unfairly defeat non-Victorian teams due to their home ground advantages. The complaints will stack up, and a much better and fairer system will be put into place.

Your club has won three of the six GF's it has played, one of those loses was by less than a kick.

 

[Feerits Elf]

I meant two.

Pro tip: say what you mean

 

[Bombermania]

Sydney would smash the Bulldogs at home. Alas, the AFL's pets get to play yet another game in their state, so Sydney will smash the Bulldogs by only slightly less.

And the Swans are favorite to win it at the G

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

13,14, and 15 grand finals would have undoubtedly gone the other way had they been played at Subiaco and the SCG. Waverly was the Hawk's home ground, no? What if the game was played at Subi? That's 4 grand finals that could have gone other way if not for the clear advantage that the Hawks have had. Hawthorn should have two less flags, West Coast should have one more.

"Undoubtedly".

 

[DaVillaBlues]

Sydney would smash the Bulldogs at home. Alas, the AFL's pets get to play yet another game in their state, so Sydney will smash the Bulldogs by only slightly less.

Hey Nuffie, The Dogs beat The Swans at the SCG earlier this season, you are coming cross as nothing more then a bitter, sore loser Sandgroper, bitter The Doggies dismantled your mob on your home ground in week 1 one of the finals

 

[adammania9]

Oh, ok. So home ground advtage just magically doesn't exist on grand final day. Riightio lad.

That's exactly right, if you're good enough you don't need to play on your home turf. If you have problems with stuff like this go watch WAFL.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

The ground makes all the difference. There's no way that Sydney would have been smashed at home, especially considering they were heavy favorites. They clearly must have choked on the day due to not playing at home. West Coast smashed Hawthorn 3 three weeks prior in 2015. in '91, the game was close up until the 4th quarter until Hawthorn went on to have a big last quarter - something that usually happens for the home team.

So you are saying that a change of ground is a 10 goal swing.

Not because hawthorn were the best team

 

[Big_Tony]

The AFL is an imperfect competition:

• Do Victorian sides get an advantage against non-Victorians in the grand final? Yep.
  
• Do WA sides get a larger home-ground advantage than other teams throughout the year? Yep.
• Do some teams get an advantage by not having to travel much? Yep.
  
• Has Sydney had an advantage over the years with the COLA? Yep.
  
• Has the draft been compromised by generous concessions given to GWS and GCS? Yep.
• Does the equability of the draw affect ladder positions every year? Yep.
• Do successful destination clubs benefit more from the Free Agency system? Yep.

It is what it is. There are swings and round-abouts for most clubs. If we all felt it was too unfair we wouldn't be watching it.

 

[Shane Hird]

Huh?
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