The HFC...

[PiesPremiers]

Originally posted by saiak


Knakkers, last time we had half our squad. What happened the time before that?

Who were you missing? And because you were "missing half your squad" does that excuse kicking 4 goals in a game and getting pumped by 108 points? If Mckernan hadnt of played, you probably would have struggled to kick a goal.

25.15.141
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4.9.33

 

[Stocka]

Re: Re: Re: The HFC...

Originally posted by Squeak


Top 4 means SFA. Losing a GF doesn't mean all that much either but it means a heck of a lot more than top 4.

What, that you won in the Preliminary Final?

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by PiesPremiers


Who were you missing? And because you were "missing half your squad" does that excuse kicking 4 goals in a game and getting pumped by 108 points? If Mckernan hadnt of played, you probably would have struggled to kick a goal.

25.15.141
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4.9.33

Somewhat reminiscent of the last game at Victoria Park, dare I say it. 6 scoring shots for three quarters. If only Leigh hadn't been so charitable in the last.

 

[Shamus O'Shane]

Rohan's reason for his jealousy & hatred of Hawthorn.............

Hawthorn flags in Rohan's liftetime? 6

Collingwood flags in Rohan's lifteime? 1 lol

ahh what the heck, might as well throw in Geelong as well, seeing as they hate Hawthorn as much as anyone and for very good reasons.. lol lol lol....

Geelong flags in Rohan's liftetime? 0

Rohan's hatred has built up considerably the past few days however since Mocca made him look like the weak, live-at-home, try-hard, love-less, unsuccessful loser that he really is.
I don't think Rohan will ever recover from that humiliation at the hands of Mocca. One can only hope

 

[MGREG]

Originally posted by Rohan_
...Hawthorn, an interesting club. In the grand scheme of things a very interesting club.

I just caught their B & F on Foxtel. It said a lot about their club;
c ocky, pretentious, soft and accepting of below par peformances.

Their club has only been successful in a 20 year period of it's entire history. Perhaps the softest club and supporters in the AFL.

Got carried away with it's top 4 berth in 2001. Fans and the club itself thought 2002 would be a walk up start for the flag. Once again, very reflective of their club.

Possibly has the second worst coach in the AFL.

Yeah, I think the Hawthorn coach has shown he has no ticker!

 

[Mead]

Re: Re: The HFC...

Originally posted by MGREG


Yeah, I think the Hawthorn coach has shown he has no ticker!

If that was a joke, it was in pretty bad taste.

 

[Lockyer24]

Originally posted by Shamus O'Shane

Rohan's hatred has built up considerably the past few days however since Mocca made him look like the weak, live-at-home, try-hard, love-less, unsuccessful loser that he really is.
I don't think Rohan will ever recover from that humiliation at the hands of Mocca. One can only hope

Youd have to be sleeping with Mocca youre so far up his arse

 

[The Phat Side]

I like Hawks list. I also like their young midfield players coming through. Hodge, Ries, Brown, Mitchell, Ladson. But yes they are soft as team both mentally and physically and Schwab really isnt a good coach. If they didnt have these two problems theyd actually be a top 4 side.

 

[Lockyer24]

The Hawks arent that bad. I dont think they'll be far off next year, although their team is a little rough around the edges, particularly in the midfield (besides Crawford). A fit and healthy Joel Smith is very important to them and if Thompson can hit career best form and Barker/Dixon/Holland find some consistency they might be able to rediscover that form which got them so far in 01.

But I doubt it.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by Stocka
Somewhat reminiscent of the last game at Victoria Park, dare I say it. 6 scoring shots for three quarters. If only Leigh hadn't been so charitable in the last.

I think you'll find all Collingwood supporters recognise we were crap then. That is the point of the comparrison with Carlton more than your comment. I guess you can get some satisfaction from hanging s.hit on Collingwwod for a couple of years gone by where we were crap if it makes all the years following Fitzroy more bearable but I would have though Brisbanes current success might do that a little more adequately. Unless you don't really think they are the same club you supported as tortured teenager.

 

[Pessimistic]

Try having a look at the saturday sun where Mcguire tales up 1/4 of his page having a sook about woewodin and melbourne.

Or when he sooked about mark graham's free kick.

Collingwood's 2002 was very similar to Hawthorn's 2001 (except luck went their way in the PF) so it might be a tad early to gloat.

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by MarkT

I think you'll find all Collingwood supporters recognise we were crap then. That is the point of the comparrison with Carlton more than your comment. I guess you can get some satisfaction from hanging s.hit on Collingwwod for a couple of years gone by where we were crap if it makes all the years following Fitzroy more bearable but I would have though Brisbanes current success might do that a little more adequately. Unless you don't really think they are the same club you supported as tortured teenager.

A bit of a bitter response there Mark, and somewhat taking my comments out of context.

I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy in the earlier comparison. If you want to bring about a comparison to Fitzroy (or even the Brisbane Lions for that matter, not forgetting 1998), then fair enough. It's nothing that I am intending on hiding, but then again, I wasn't the one who had a crack at someone else in the first place.

I for one, never have, and never will try to deny the fact that Fitzroy were very poor on the field in a number of years that I saw them. Similarly, I think it stands as a testement to my level of passion for the club, that I continued to support them in such times (along with the off-field dramas), when at such an age, it 'could' have been easy to join another team entirely. If you want to point that out, then so be it. It's not a particularly hard observation to come up with, although, at the same time, I wouldn't expect you to 'understand' what it was like to support a club during those times, apart from being able to observe it. Similarly, I wonder if many other teams have been subjected to the conditions that Fitzroy were, during the 90's?

As for "hanging crap" on Collingwood, I don't actually mind Collingwood at all in fact, nor Essendon for that matter, despite the fact that I've had a few shots of late. I think you, and most others know, that despite some of my comments, that I have a great deal of respect for various aspects of these clubs. I really only have a on-going dislike for one or two clubs in the competition, neither of these two being one of them.

As Jacqui9 already intimated, you could come up with any amount of reasons as to why one team may be "statistically" better than another, or as to why one person might view their team as being better. However, at the end of the day it means little, because those who are true supporters of their own club, have their own reasons for supporting their club, and are not likely to be swayed to another by frivilous comments (if they were, you'd question their earlier categorisation at any rate). People generally believe their own club is the best - not necessarily because of statistical achievements, but rather, because of a personal engagement with what it means to be a part of that club, beyond merely the on-field performance (which is only one part of the scheme). If you're happy to think otherwise, then so be it.

The point has been illustrated perfectly by your response Mark (and I would have thought that you would have been more sensible - I'll go easy though, considering it's early in the morning).

On one-hand, you were happy enough for someone to have a go at Carlton (perfectly reasonable too). The original person who commented, also made note of the fact that whether or not the team was "crap", their performance still wasn't justified by this fact alone:

Who were you missing? And because you were "missing half your squad" does that excuse kicking 4 goals in a game and getting pumped by 108 points? If Mckernan hadnt of played, you probably would have struggled to kick a goal.

Yet, your response in turn, when ribbed over recent Collingwood performances was that "we were crap", and somehow insinuating that this was therefore a suitable response for you, even if not for Carlton. I think this displays a high level of hypocrisy, even if for the good cause of hanging crap on Carlton.

If you want to sit around and have a go at Fitzroy, go ahead (something I would have thought was reserved for less successful clubs who 'think' they are getting something over us, even though they still haven't won as many Premierships as us - it would certainly make a statement, in which case, if you were to act in such a manner). I'm sure there are some interesting stats which we could both pull out of it, although, I somehow doubt we'll be convincing anyone but ourselves of how great our club is.

As to whether or not I think the Brisbane Lions are a continuation of Fitzroy or not, for what it's worth, I consider myself a Fitzroy supporter. Sure, the 'original' Fitzroy isn't around in the same form as it was for over 100 years. That doesn't stop me from being a supporter of what the club stood for in those times, and how it is continued now. To me, clubs such as the Brisbane Lions and the Fitzroy Reds come under the 'Fitzroy banner', and to me, are equally referred to when I call myself a 'Fitzroy supporter' (ie: I am a Fitzroy supporter, who recognises and supports the continuation of aspects of Fitzroy in the Brisbane Lions and Fitzroy Reds, etc.). I don't 'expect' others to feel the same way, nor do I even wish to enforce this view on others who support the clubs, as some will obviously feel different due to their previous allegiance to the Bears, etc. However, certainly I'll stand up for, and promote the tangible links that exist between the clubs, and as far as I'm concerned, I have never been substantially challenged to believe otherwise than I currently do.

From some of the comments I have seen you contribute Mark, the underlying logic could also consist that Collingwood are therefore no longer "Collingwood" as they no longer play out of that particular suburb.

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by Pessimistic
Collingwood's 2002 was very similar to Hawthorn's 2001 (except luck went their way in the PF) so it might be a tad early to gloat.

Yes, very true, I've made this observation myself. Both teams started out very well, and were good in the early and mid-season, but lost their way towards the end of the year. Both teams ended up with very similar win-loss-percentage statistics.

Despite this, both teams were able to pull off a few finals victories, and the minor fact that Collingwood were able to win a Preliminary Final and Hawthorn weren't, is the only particular separator.

 

[Mcchawk]

Old Ro Boy you started this thread for one reason.

YOUR UNDYING LOVE FOR HAWTHORN.

 

[PiesPremiers]

Originally posted by Stocka


I for one, never have, and never will try to deny the fact that Fitzroy were very poor on the field in a number of years that I saw them. Similarly, I think it stands as a testement to my level of passion for the club, that I continued to support them in such times (along with the off-field dramas), when at such an age, it 'could' have been easy to join another team entirely. If you want to point that out, then so be it. It's not a particularly hard observation to come up with, although, at the same time, I wouldn't expect you to 'understand' what it was like to support a club during those times, apart from being able to observe it. Similarly, I wonder if many other teams have been subjected to the conditions that Fitzroy were, during the 90's?

When was it ever about you?
And your not the only one that hung in there going through tough times.

 

[grayham]

Originally posted by PiesPremiers


When was it ever about you?
And your not the only one that hung in there going through tough times.

Whenever the old roy boys gets started about Fitzroy, you can almost hear the violins warming up.
They try to outdo each other in personal suffering.

 

[superstar]

Originally posted by Rohan_


Reflective of their arrogant nature when they have no right to.

Collingwood have been more arrogant than any club for the last 40 years and have had no right to. Hawthorn have won 9 Premierships in the last 40 years. One club has reason to be arrogant, the other does not.

Collingwood supporters have gotten more carried away with their lucky, overachieving season then Hawthorn supporters did with last year. The pies will hit rock bottom next year as they are exposed as genuine pretenders and the whole league will be laughing at their arrogance.

A funny thing comes out in this thread Rohan. By posting such a thread you have shown the arrogance Collingwood feel at having finished runner-up. 2nd best is good enough at your Collingwood.....it's part of your culture. At Hawthorn, Carlton, Essendon, Adelaide, and West Coast arrogance comes from winning premierships, not finishing second.

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by PiesPremiers


When was it ever about you?
And your not the only one that hung in there going through tough times.

My comments were a response to MarkT, who mentioned Fitzroy. If you read his post, you would have therefore understood my comments.

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by grayham
Whenever the old roy boys gets started about Fitzroy, you can almost hear the violins warming up.

What basis do you make that accusation upon? What comments in this thread inspired the response? I haven't heard any violins for quite some time in fact. How about at your club?

Then again, you wouldn't be short of merely providing an ill-informed "side-commentesque" level with your posts, would you? Stick to clearing ****e out of drains. At least you are mixing with your own type then (if not a class or two above you - although, at least then you'll have something to aspire to).

Originally posted by grayham
They try to outdo each other in personal suffering.

Yes, well we're no match for you are we?

Is it only me, or is does strumpet remind anyone else of that 'barry' character who used to post on here?

 

[grayham]

Originally posted by Stocka


What basis do you make that accusation upon? What comments in this thread inspired the response?

Then again, you wouldn't be short of merely providing an ill-informed "side-commentesque" level with your posts, would you? Stick to clearing ****e out of drains. At least you are mixing with your own type then.



Yes, well we're no match for you are we.

Is it only me, or is does strumpet remind anyone else of that 'barry' character who used to post on here?

Touchy, touchy,
No need for name calling, just an observation.

What does "side-commentesque" mean anyway?

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by grayham
Touchy, touchy,
No need for name calling, just an observation.

Same applies to you.

Originally posted by grayham
What does "side-commentesque" mean anyway?

I don't see much point in trying to explain it to the likes of yourself.

 

[grayham]

Originally posted by Stocka


Same applies to you.

I don't see much point in trying to explain it to the likes of yourself.

Get over yourself. Where did I directly call YOU a childish name like strumpet.
I never even said my observation of old roys was a bad one. They just like to wallow. In some cultures wallowing is good.

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by grayham
Get over yourself.

Mate, you're the one making observations about others. If you can't take the heat . . .

Originally posted by grayham
Where did I directly call YOU a childish name like strumpet.
I never even said my observation of old roys was a bad one. They just like to wallow. In some cultures wallowing is good.

Pfft.

 

[grayham]

Originally posted by Stocka


Pfft.

Good comeback.

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by grayham


Good comeback.

As good as the original comment deserved, no doubt. I think you've just flushed yourself, grayham. Lucky you're a plumber, eh.