Tertiary and Continuing The Law Thread

[BomberFletch31]

Any thoughts on Criminal Law. Not really enjoying it, and some of this shit is pretty complicated. Probably already ruled that one out.

Criminal Law differs from state to state, so that's not something I can help with, unfortunately. If it were WA Criminal law I'd be happy to help - I aced that unit.

 

[TheMightyEagles]

To anyone thinking of entering law school. Consider this video a warning.

[youtube]nMvARy0lBLE[/youtube]

 

[jonoman89]

Any thoughts on Criminal Law. Not really enjoying it, and some of this shit is pretty complicated. Probably already ruled that one out.

you serious? i'm finding it significantly easier than torts, that's for sure. i just dislike the policy side to the unit. i hate policy.

 

[deeman12]

you serious? i'm finding it significantly easier than torts, that's for sure. i just dislike the policy side to the unit. i hate policy.

Complicity is the thing that's troubling me. It doesn't seem to be taught very well. At least with torts it's all primarily case law (haven't done it yet though). Also, some of the principles developed by judges are clearly contrived to achieve or avoid a certain outcome. A bit artificial to be honest.

 

[jonoman89]

Complicity is the thing that's troubling me. It doesn't seem to be taught very well. At least with torts it's all primarily case law (haven't done it yet though). Also, some of the principles developed by judges are clearly contrived to achieve or avoid a certain outcome. A bit artificial to be honest.

Yeah degrees of liability is quite tricky.

Torts is a mix. Negligence is half/half, battery and assaults etc. mainly case law.

 

[Chief]

Woo - torts exam done. Now to work on the coke habit.

 

[BomberFletch31]

I've got 3 exams starting on the 13th - Evidence, Trademarks & Copyright, and Equity & Trusts, the latter being the one I'm crapping myself over. The other two should be fairly straight forward.

Good luck to all the law students going through or about to go through exams.

 

[TheSaviour]

To anyone thinking of entering law school. Consider this video a warning.

[youtube]nMvARy0lBLE[/youtube]

Those videos are made by a bunch of unemployed bitter law grads in the USA and Canada which now has an oversupply of law grads and an economy that doesn't need any of them.

Australia on the other hand will always have work for people with a law degree as many more law gradsd enter the private business sector.

 

[Affidavit]

Got my last exam on Monday which is Contracts 2.

Then Summmmmmmer!!

 

[Stone in sock]

Those videos are made by a bunch of unemployed bitter law grads in the USA and Canada which now has an oversupply of law grads and an economy that doesn't need any of them.

Australia on the other hand will always have work for people with a law degree as many more law gradsd enter the private business sector.

lolwut

 

[jo172]

Those videos are made by a bunch of unemployed bitter law grads in the USA and Canada which now has an oversupply of law grads and an economy that doesn't need any of them.

Australia on the other hand will always have work for people with a law degree as many more law gradsd enter the private business sector.

Lies.

In Adelaide (admittedly the most competitive employment market) you have a 30% chance of being employed after graduation and 60% after admission.

Still a ****load of people with $80k HECS debts wanting to be lawyers and not getting the chance.

 

[el toado]

Its funny I find this thread two weeks after finishing my law degree. I got 2 years into the course and realised that law probably wasnt for me, but the thought of all the effort that would have been for nothing if i quit made me complete the next four years. Stupid stubborn bugger I am.

Looking back on it I am really pleased that I have completed (pending results) such a demanding degree but I am still not sure if it was worth it, I guess time will tell. To be honest studying law killed my gpa due to the excessive demands of 100% exams (bloody Deakin) meaning that I didnt put much effort into commerce exams if I was semi-confident of passing them. It sure makes for some interesting questions during interviews!

 

[TheSaviour]

Lies.

In Adelaide (admittedly the most competitive employment market) you have a 30% chance of being employed after graduation and 60% after admission.

Still a ****load of people with $80k HECS debts wanting to be lawyers and not getting the chance.

Well that is your states problem. IF you want to do articles in WA as long as your grades are half decent you will. But why would you want to do anyway when your working 80hrs a week the plumber who fixes your fridge earns double.

**** Adelaide....it's not even a real ecnomy.

 

[jo172]

Well that is your states problem. IF you want to do articles in WA as long as your grades are half decent you will. But why would you want to do anyway when your working 80hrs a week the plumber who fixes your fridge earns double.

**** Adelaide....it's not even a real ecnomy.

Clearly they breed articulate law students in Perth ...

 

[watermelonslice]

To be honest studying law killed my gpa due to the excessive demands of 100% exams (bloody Deakin) meaning that I didnt put much effort into commerce exams if I was semi-confident of passing them. It sure makes for some interesting questions during interviews!

I think when you do a double degree with law, nobody really expects you to ace the other degree. I know I've gotten interviews for commerce jobs despite how awful my marks are in that area. I've failed a subject and mostly gotten passes, but employers are just generally impressed by the fact that I'm doing law. (It kinda sucks that I realised I would never work in a finance-related field though because it's so much more difficult to get a job as a lawyer IMO.)

 

[Chief]

All done for the year. Was going to do Crim over summer but not that into it.

Frickin research subject - practically wanted you to memorise the entire advanced search page for all the major databases. Random - they ignored the entire research process itself in favour of testing knowledge of obscure web search options. FFS.

 

[demondude]

Currently doing Bachelor of Business at Monash and looking to transfer into Commerce/Law what kind of GPA would you need for the transfer? and would I have to transfer business to commerce as I preferably wouldn't cheers

 

[Affidavit]

You need a distinction average at most places to change over.

 

[deeman12]

Currently doing Bachelor of Business at Monash and looking to transfer into Commerce/Law what kind of GPA would you need for the transfer? and would I have to transfer business to commerce as I preferably wouldn't cheers

Are you only looking at Monash? I'm a bit biased, but La Trobe has a pretty sweet law school. Would look at Deakin as well.

 

[notting18]

Currently doing Bachelor of Business at Monash and looking to transfer into Commerce/Law what kind of GPA would you need for the transfer? and would I have to transfer business to commerce as I preferably wouldn't cheers

Unfortunately it is very unlikely you'll be able to transfer in to Law (LLB) at Monash these days. Not only has demand gone way up since the Melbourne model but Monash basically gives priority to the LLB to high school levers, while wanting anyone who is doing a different degree to enter the JD once completing that degree.

The option is still there but last year the number of transfer entries in to the LLB were drastically lower.

 

[demondude]

Are you only looking at Monash? I'm a bit biased, but La Trobe has a pretty sweet law school. Would look at Deakin as well.

As per qualifications, what does the latrobe degree lead to with the international relations on the end of it?

How does Latrobe's law school compare with Deakin and Monash?

 

[deeman12]

As per qualifications, what does the latrobe degree lead to with the international relations on the end of it?

How does Latrobe's law school compare with Deakin and Monash?

I'm currently doing Law/International Relations at La Trobe and I'm pretty hopeful that I can score a decent job by the end of it, hopefully in DFAT or in International Trade, and hopefully I can work abroad in some capacity. Still very early days though so I'll probably change my mind a million times.

From what I understand Monash have a law school which is second only to Melbourne. Can't comment much on Deakin but I know it has a strong commercial emphasis in its law degree. Their exams make up 100% of the unit score and tutorials stop after first year I think. A Deakinite might have to pull me up on this though.

 

[Ellis2WeightsRoom]

Can't comment much on Deakin but I know it has a strong commercial emphasis in its law degree. Their exams make up 100% of the unit score and tutorials stop after first year I think. A Deakinite might have to pull me up on this though.

Deakin is ok. I would say at least on par with La Trobe, if not better.
I've never really understood the whole 'commercial focus' that Deakin reckons it has, I think it is just marketing bs to be honest.

I'd recommend Deakin if you are lazy and are an independent learner rather than relying on lecturers to 'teach' you the material. 100% exams I love, but others hate so keep that in mind.

Tutes stop after 2nd year I think (they did for me, but they may have changed it again). Again there is no tutorial participation/attendance marks, so you don't have to go if u don't want towhich again can be good or bad depending on your POV.

Relative to other law schools I don't think u get as much for your money at Deakin. The course is pretty easy also.

 

[jonoman89]

How does Latrobe's law school compare with Deakin and Monash?

Both Melbourne and Monash dedicate two semesters to each of the major areas of law (torts, criminal law, contract law, property law etc.). In other words, you will do say 'Contract A' in first semester, then 'Contract B' in second semester.

From what i have heard Deakin, La Trobe, Vic Uni etc. only do one semester. So graduates from those Universities are only taught half the law a Melbourne or Monash graduate are. That's the major edge in having a Melbourne or Monash LLB.

But still, a law degree is better than no law degree. Just be aware that if you are interested in practising there is a definite bias towards Melbourne and Monash for the above reasons. Lots of people transfer from Deakin etc. to Monash to get a more attractive degree. That said though, many La Trobe etc. students do end up having good legal careers and the gap between the differing law schools is slowly closing.

If you want a law degree enough, and you want to practise enough, then there's no real limit to what you can achieve....provided you hit the books!

 

[bulldogrick]

What are the chances of transferring from one uni to another? Say for instance Deakin/La trobe law to Monash law?