Mega Thread The Mark Neeld Mega-Thread

[RuFiO]

The fools. They should be tweeting their thoughts and photos. Poor effort.

Harry O doesn't play for Melbourne.

 

[Tulip]

What possible relevance does that have to the topic at hand?

The big problem Melbourne has got is two-fold.

The cattle on the park is arguably as bad as Bendigo in the VFL (all due respect to Bendigo by the way...) and the recruiting staff not actually getting the right talent to be a success.

Having a revolving door coaching set-up has never actually delivered any club who has gone down this road any success whatsoever.

Just ask Richmond.

How many coaches have Richmond had since winning the 1980 premiership. I think it is at least 10 and could be even higher than that.

Look at St. Kilda. Change coaches quite regularly and the ones who give them some level of success get shafted sideways!

What's this got to do with Bendigo? Casey are better than Bendigo.

 

[lamaros]

'Miracle' recovery from Melbourne from here on in. Neeld was shockingly bad.

 

[Enya]

Neeld keeps saying Melbourne is a "young side", but Bailey won 7.5 of 17 with significantly younger teams and got sacked! Melbourne would kill for that record now. Obviously it was a complex situation at the club and Melbourne were frequently tagged as "soft" under Bailey, but things have gone drastically backwards since his departure.

|W|L|D|%|AvAge|defeated
\Last 38 games|6|32|0|63.2|23.99|GWS(3),GC(2),Es
\Bailey's last 38|15|21|2|92.1|23.53|Br(3),Ri(3),Ad(2),Es(2),PA(2),Fr,GC,Sy

Well said. Bailey's sides were far more dangerous and far less experienced on average than the side running around for Melbourne now.

 

[hench]

Thirty-three games: five wins, 28 losses (three wins v GWS, one v Gold Coast, one v Essendon)
Average score for: 69
Average score against: 115
Average losing margin: 60
Fourteen losses by 10 goals or more
Six losses by 90 points or more
Three losses by 100 points or more

 

[pazza]

What's this got to do with Bendigo? Casey are better than Bendigo.

Just a comparison of 2 battling football teams.

Both are performing basically at the same level as each other - but no-one is calling for Aussie Jones to be sacked are they?

 

[Bluelegs]

What possible relevance does that have to the topic at hand?

The big problem Melbourne has got is two-fold.

The cattle on the park is arguably as bad as Bendigo in the VFL (all due respect to Bendigo by the way...) and the recruiting staff not actually getting the right talent to be a success.

Having a revolving door coaching set-up has never actually delivered any club who has gone down this road any success whatsoever.

Just ask Richmond.

How many coaches have Richmond had since winning the 1980 premiership. I think it is at least 10 and could be even higher than that.

Look at St. Kilda. Change coaches quite regularly and the ones who give them some level of success get shafted sideways!

They're playing a lot worse than their talent. Recruiting staff was turned over last year, so there's that.

I would only have a problem with the coach being sacked if a large number of the board din't follow suit. As that is happening and the club is expected to be completely restructured I'm not as upset with the decision. This is not a scapegoat, this is the first of many problems to be addressed.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Harry O doesn't play for Melbourne.

Why would Harry O waste his valuable words on Melbourne's coaching situation anyway?

Would much rather hear his informed thoughts on the Syrian uprising, or the state of race relations in South Africa.

 

[MarcusP2]

This must be part of the conspiracy to bring St Kilda undone.

Dunno, IIRC Craig's first game in charge of Adelaide (as a caretaker) was a 141 belting by Brisbane.

Edit: My mistake, that was his third game.

 

[Tiger2709]

I called this last week, was saying to a mate that I thought his job was in danger.

Incredible insight, we need people like you running the country.

 

[Bluelegs]

This must be part of the conspiracy to bring St Kilda undone.

The AFL ensured Neeld out the door and Maister to remain injured (I know he's a spud but he's been the difference between a win and loss against us twice) prior to this game. More scripted than WWE

 

[PrideOf]

This is the quote that the footy media have pretty much missed.

Neeld will be shell-shocked by the decision given only last week he said he had coached to orders at Melbourne, playing the kids and fast-tracking their development.

So Bailey coached to orders to tank and was fired. Neeld coached to orders to play the kids and was fired.

Anyone else see the problem here?

 

[Major Colvin]

Put simply your senior players were awful and he had every right to get rid of them. There was sense to getting Dawes and Burns since both of them came from clubs who has very strong cultures and recent success, something Melbourne was seriously lacking. Dawes will not only be worth every bit of the top 20 pick you gave up for him but might also end up being your captain.

I am going to lol when Melbourne fork out 500k to the some high profile coach and they get the same or worse returns as Neeld did.

Moloney/Rivers were not awful - more important than Neeld gave them credit for and if he had is time again he wouldnt have ditched them from the leadership group. Dawes is not worth a top 20 pick but I'll admit we need him because we have noone else. Moot point whether a senior coach works out, we have to try because whats happening now is not acceptable, put simply.

 

[Andrew Mc]

Neil Craig, if he is interim coach (contrary to the Roos rumours that are flying around on SEN), and he wins 6 or 7 games to the end of the year... will they be forced to give him the job?

If he wins 6 or 7 games to the end of the year he'll get "coach of the year" and perhaps knighted.

 

[The Nostradamus]

its annoying that the afl will give Melbourne money to fund their stupid decisions like contracting neeld to the end of 2014 and needing to pay him out a year early, that money should come out of Melbourne's pocket not the afl

 

[mcgarnacle]

Cue Choco Williams ?

If he wanted it, you'd think so wouldn't you?

From a football aspect. Definitely yes.

From a media aspect. Definitely no. Is a prickly prick and is not the man to take on the media crap that the MEL HC successor will be required to deal with.

Football is all BS these days. It's more about the brand image than football itself.

Pathetic

 

[Anoncomment]

Why do you think this will make more failure........................ I would've thought this was a step in the right direction.......?

Because it is not itself a step in a different direction, it's just another sacking. A real step in a different direction would be loyalty, integrity, justice. This is just an absurd response to an absurd situation. People tend to like this kind of existential nonsense, but that's because people are predominantly stupid.

 

[Vince12]

Unlike your dispensable club which has no history or premierships... our club founded this sport and competition and for that reason, all attempts to save it should be made. Yes, we are mediocre now... but all attempts should be made to save founding clubs of the competition. Fitzroy being removed from the competition was bad enough, we can't let it happen again.

Why? Do you think the Premier League would suddenly go downhill if Notts County went under?

There are too many AFL clubs, especially based in Melbourne. The talent is spread too thin and we get nothing but smashings week in, week out. Someone has to go and it may as well be the crappiest, least stable, financially screwed, undersupported team that is located right next to 8 other clubs that the members can support.

 

[LeverPuller]

This is the quote that the footy media have pretty much missed.



So Bailey coached to orders to tank and was fired. Neeld coached to orders to play the kids and was fired.

Anyone else see the problem here?

Yup. Coach to win ****ing games of ****ing football.

 

[Tiger2709]

Please explain the fundamental issues the club is facing. I keep hearing this sentiment, but if a complete restructure of the football club isn't addressing the fundamental issues I don't know what is.

My answer to this is did the board step down, if not then don't expect much improvement, they have structured the club for failure and change needs to start at the top.

 

[blured]

Just another pathetic and gutless decision by a football club looking for a cheap, easy, short term solution without actually addressing the fundamental issues the club is facing.

Be foolish to suggest otherwise.

i dunno neeld manged 1 victory over the dons in full supplement mode ill take that!

 

[forwardflanker]

Moloney/Rivers were not awful - more important than Neeld gave them credit for and if he had is time again he wouldnt have ditched them from the leadership group. Dawes is not worth a top 20 pick but I'll admit we need him because we have noone else. Moot point whether a senior coach works out, we have to try because whats happening now is not acceptable, put simply.

Moloney is garbage, he has a few redeeming features but on a whole is a shocking team players. Ditto Rivers who has spend his career playing as the third defender and is soft as butter. Melbourne the last two years have the worst collection of senior players in the AFL, even worse than GC and GWS who at least brought in players who had experienced success at other clubs. When you have heartless players like Rivers, Sylvia, Davey, Maloney, Jamar in your senior group it's not wonder you're in the position you're in, and no wonder Neeld wanted to move some of them out.

 

[LeverPuller]

Why? Do you think the Premier League would suddenly go downhill if Notts County went under?

There are too many AFL clubs, especially based in Melbourne. The talent is spread too thin and we get nothing but smashings week in, week out. Someone has to go and it may as well be the crappiest, least stable, financially screwed, undersupported team that is located right next to 8 other clubs that the members can support.

There's political reasons why the MFC survive for the AFL, not just sheer financial. You've got to remember that the highest supporter base of the AFL within the MCC are Melbourne supporters - 20% of MCC members support the Dees. Furthermore, much of this 20% is the old guard who are high up in the MCC hierarchy. If the AFL attempted to screw the MFC and remove them, the MCC could then turn around and "give priority to cricket" and generally make life difficult for the AFL.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Ouch... 400k payout? On top of their 1m+ net loss already?

 

[dymot]

Why? Do you think the Premier League would suddenly go downhill if Notts County went under?

There are too many AFL clubs, especially based in Melbourne. The talent is spread too thin and we get nothing but smashings week in, week out. Someone has to go and it may as well be the crappiest, least stable, financially screwed, undersupported team that is located right next to 8 other clubs that the members can support.

Exactly and of all the clubs that have been on death's door in the late 80s and 90s Melbourne is the only one which has been in a perpetual state of disaster like this since then. Hawthorn, Collingwood and Geelong have all improved their off field sides. Even Fitzroy had more upside at times in 1996 than Melbourne did.