The Melbourne City Thread

[Dan Cooper]

I am defending myself against a bizarre and entirely unnecessary series of attacks that are becoming increasingly personal (note the school yard grade name calling). If you quote my ENTIRE post, rather than just cherry picking the parts you think give you the most ammunition to have a personal go at me, there is nothing to "shy away from".

I am entirely done with this childish slap fight. You have precisely ZERO to do with the Melbourne Heart/City Football Club, and have no business attacking it's sale, business model, future prospects or loyal supporters. Time for you to go, I think, before you embarrass yourself.

I am an A league supporter who is entitled to their opinion on all matters A League - not just those specific to my own club.

I merely commented on your "so what" comment at the prospect of Heart being completely overhauled, including the name, colors and the first 4 seasons of history removed.

You were the one who started the personal stuff.

 

[millsy29gopies]

When Melbourne City take the field next season, the history will show that it is a continuation of the Heart franchise. Our history will still be the same. We will still have beaten Victory in the first derby, Alex Terra will still have scored the best goal in the history of the A-League and we will still have had the worst coach in the history of the A-League.

David Smorgan took the presidency in 1997 and changed the name of Footscray to the Western Bulldogs. Do we consider them different clubs? No, because they still maintain the history and the same fans that have gone through thick and thin.

Unless the FFA comes out and publicly states that this is a brand new franchise, it will not be.

 

[moomba]

I took this photo on the weekend, it's the exterior wall of Manchesters Etihad Stadium.



All around the outside of the stadium are enormous photos of MCFC history, including the one above which is the St Marks team. Thats something that has been done since our takeover.

Whether they end up changing name and colours or not i can't see them just wiping the last four years history from existance.

 

[soupaman]

Top right looks like Ryan Gosling.

 

[Kangapirate]

When Melbourne City take the field next season, the history will show that it is a continuation of the Heart franchise. Our history will still be the same. We will still have beaten Victory in the first derby, Alex Terra will still have scored the best goal in the history of the A-League and we will still have had the worst coach in the history of the A-League.

David Smorgan took the presidency in 1997 and changed the name of Footscray to the Western Bulldogs. Do we consider them different clubs? No, because they still maintain the history and the same fans that have gone through thick and thin.

Unless the FFA comes out and publicly states that this is a brand new franchise, it will not be.

This is ideally what you would like to see, it doesnt mean it will happen, im fairly sure the footscray to western bulldogs name change had to have the backing of the members first...maybe someone can shed light on this? The difference here is that the new ownership group arent just a bunch of random billionaires, its very different to the foreign ownership situations in Brisbane and Sydney, its a club purchasing another club and using multiple satellite franchises around the world to promote the host brand which is man city.

The license of the nz knights was handed to the wellington phoenix, the license of the melbourne heart has been handed to manchester city, peter sidwell and co effectively sold out the heart name and its history when they sold it to another football club, a history that will only remain if the new owners want, its out of the supporters and members hands, but as i said above because these arent your random billionaires but rather billionaires representing an overseas football club on a branding mission...it is very unlikely that any of the Heart history will remain.

 

[Riccardo11]

This is ideally what you would like to see, it doesnt mean it will happen, im fairly sure the footscray to western bulldogs name change had to have the backing of the members first...maybe someone can shed light on this? The difference here is that the new ownership group arent just a bunch of random billionaires, its very different to the foreign ownership situations in Brisbane and Sydney, its a club purchasing another club and using multiple satellite franchises around the world to promote the host brand which is man city.

The license of the nz knights was handed to the wellington phoenix, the license of the melbourne heart has been handed to manchester city, peter sidwell and co effectively sold out the heart name and its history when they sold it to another football club, a history that will only remain if the new owners want, its out of the supporters and members hands, but as i said above because these arent your random billionaires but rather billionaires representing an overseas football club on a branding mission...it is very unlikely that any of the Heart history will remain.

Your Knights-Pheonix comparison is incorrect, the New Zealand Knights license was rescinded by the A League and a brand new club founded in Wellington Phoenix, who were awarded the license. It isn't the same situation with Heart, as the entire club, not just the license, has been purchased by Manchester City, who have guaranteed they will listen to what the Heart fans want, which at this point includes keeping red and white as part of the colors of the club.

We accept there will be some changes, such as the name, which most seem to be happy with, but this is a club buyout, not a brand new club using Hearts license.

 

[Dan Cooper]

Social media reacted angrily to comments made by an Australian Manchester City supporters group that the City takeover of the red and whites would not work unless the team was re-branded, its colours changed to sky blue, the same as Manchester City's, and its name changed to Melbourne City.

A number of Heart supporters took to Twitter to take issue with the City fans, arguing that while a name-change might be acceptable, dropping the club's red and white stripes was not.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...fter-manchester-city-deal-20140126-31gwl.html

It will be interesting to see the outcome of the Melbourne City team colours issue. Some newspaper reports have stated the Man City group have already discussed and perhaps even resolved the matter of colours with the FFA.

As the article says: "If the money men feel that the latter will be a more lucrative route, then that is what is likely to occur".

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

It will be interesting to see how many get along to the game tomorrow night. On the one hand, the club finally has a bit of momentum, the conditions should be good and there's the Del Piero factor. On the other, we're again up against an international limited overs fixture (this one at the MCG) and Sydney is making its second trip to Melbourne in a week (less away supporters, you'd imagine). 8,000 would be nice, I reckon. However many we get, I hope as many as possible are wearing red and white at the game. Have heard/read stories about banners and things being used to tell our new owners to keep the red and white, but I think that's a bit presumptuous at this stage. Simply wearing the colours should send a strong message that the red and white is part of our identity and needs to be retained in some way.

 

[moomba]

I wonder which supporter group they are referring to. Is it telling that they didn't have any quotes, names, screenshots etc?

On the Heart forums that I've seen the vast majority of blues are sympathetic with the Heart supporters over the colours. Only one post I've seen contrary to that and he was set straight by numerous blues.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I wonder which supporter group they are referring to. Is it telling that they didn't have any quotes, names, screenshots etc?

On the Heart forums that I've seen the vast majority of blues are sympathetic with the Heart supporters over the colours. Only one post I've seen contrary to that and he was set straight by numerous blues.

If we're accepting the hypothetical scenario that City is going to insist on switching MH to sky blue (and let's be clear: absolutely nothing has been said along those lines by anyone that matters at this stage) I fail to see why the red and white stripes can't be retained as an away kit, as an absolute minimum. Or how it would damage Man City's brand to have the sky blue as the away kit, for that matter. As long as they're taking promo photos before the start of the season in the sky blue, how many overseas people would really know (much less care) that the team actually wasn't wearing that kit in its home games?

 

[Dan Cooper]

"An FFA spokesman told Fairfax Media that the FFA may take into account potential complaints from Sydney FC regarding Melbourne Heart changing their playing strip to sky blue, but there is no reason the A-League cannot have two teams with the same colour combination".

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...o-rebrand-melbourne-heart-20140124-31e4j.html

 

[Colonial]

"An FFA spokesman told Fairfax Media that the FFA may take into account potential complaints from Sydney FC regarding Melbourne Heart changing their playing strip to sky blue, but there is no reason the A-League cannot have two teams with the same colour combination".

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...o-rebrand-melbourne-heart-20140124-31e4j.html

Yes there is. They are our colors. Choose another blue if your not wanting to be red!!!

 

[Colonial]

Took them long enough...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...25952316.30708.162258400489092&type=1&theater

Very stupid comic, not even funny really.

 

[Colonial]

To be honest i think they will be Melbourne City FC (which will at least create an identity besides the "other" Melbourne club. They ill play in Sky Blue (Blasphemy) but will have the hearts colors as the 2nd shirt.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Very stupid comic, not even funny really.

It's nothing short of disgusting, frankly.

 

[pantskyle]

Well that's a harsh red.

 

[pantskyle]

And denied a penalty as well. ****ing hell.

Ref plz

 

[Tom Blue]

Listen, the red I can deal with. Was a reckless (and dangerous) challenge so I can't really complain.

The missed penalty however...WTF!! How was that not a penalty?! Blatantly made contact!

 

[pantskyle]

Listen, the red I can deal with. Was a reckless (and dangerous) challenge so I can't really complain.

The missed penalty however...WTF!! How was that not a penalty?! Blatantly made contact!

Still a tough red to give.

 

[ErnieSigley]

Still the worst squad in the league.

 

[pantskyle]

Another penalty not given.

****ing hell amateur ****ing refs.

 

[Tom Blue]

Now a blatant handball...****ing hell!

 

[pantskyle]

One back against the refs wishes.

 

[Tom Blue]

Was ugly but we deserve to be in front so I'll take it. Exciting game to watch. Plenty of talking points.

 

[pantskyle]

Wooooooo hold it heart hold it!!!!!!