No Oppo Supporters The Melt Thread

[G Mus]

Well that's just my point. It's you who must be the big hero to call a Freo afl player a coward.

Just making an observation dry your eyes

 

[meima]

The problem is, everyone that we can bring in from Peel currently are already playing.

Ibbo will come back for Johnson, Mundy for Fyfe, someone will need to come for Ballas.

It will be a hiding based on exposed form, and there's an argument for not throwing all the kids to the wolves at the same time. We need a mix of hard bodies who have the kilometres in the legs to protect the kids as well.

To tell you the true deboer, gu will keep passing the ball to the regular like d.Pearce,Mayne and Barlow basically our youth will get dishearted and give up. I am not doubting their effort but their intention. Player like croz ,grey will not be in the brotherhood group.

 

[Freeeoo]

Just making an observation dry your eyes

And I'm just making an observation about you. I must admit my eyes are a little wet after watching that today.

 

[Grape Bear]

To tell you the true deboer, gu will keep passing the ball to the regular like d.Pearce,Mayne and Barlow basically our youth will get dishearted and give up. I am not doubting their effort but their intention. Player like croz ,grey will not be in the brotherhood group.

Do you seriously think that the senior players are stuffing up decisions deliberately so that they can pass to other senior players because they're in "the brotherhood" - to the detriment of the game results? Seriously?

 

[meima]

Do you seriously think that the senior players are stuffing up decisions deliberately so that they can pass to other senior players because they're in "the brotherhood" - to the detriment of the game results? Seriously?

Not purposely but habit and instict for playing together too long. Eg- I trust you more if our friendship is 10 year old compare to so AMD so 3 month. I hope you get what I mean.

 

[imperial_oz]

The problem is, everyone that we can bring in from Peel currently are already playing.

Ibbo will come back for Johnson, Mundy for Fyfe, someone will need to come for Ballas.

It will be a hiding based on exposed form, and there's an argument for not throwing all the kids to the wolves at the same time. We need a mix of hard bodies who have the kilometres in the legs to protect the kids as well.

Yeah I thought through all that myself but its a repeat of an old pattern with the same non-performers being recycled.

Actually we should have been getting games into the new blokes last year but we had one last shot in mind. Having missed our shot at the flag we are hurting and have nothing to show for it.

That aside, there is no excuse for not working on our skill levels before this. Lyon needs to wear that. He needs to start rebuilding out playing list as well and that means games into Grey, Weller, Langdon. Tabs, Apeness etc even at the expense of wins

 

[Grape Bear]

Not purposely but habit and instict for playing together too long. Eg- I trust you more if our friendship is 10 year old compare to so AMD so 3 month. I hope you get what I mean.

I do understand what you are saying, but surely first and foremost you look for the best option to advance the footy into attack, regardless of who it is. Looking for your buddy out there is more likely to get you dropped.

 

[Docker Alyssa]

Answer my question then

Why play guys we know have no future with the club? Players like Weller, Langdon, Grey are already showing more.

edit: hanging on to the plodders has led us to today. If you think it can't worse, keep playing those with no future and we can be the next Melbourne

Those players aren't showing more though... You mean to say for their development stage they are showing a lot of promise. If they were showing more we would win the games that have all those players in it! While losing the games with DeBoer and Suban, D.Pearce and C.Pearce etc. We're losing no matter this year, but I say we are getting closer to competitive vs better sides with those well drilled, experienced core from the 2013/14 side.

I also think you are underestimating the effect of a season of losses on the club as a whole. If you "got rid of the plodders" as is so popular on these boards this year, and played Blakely, Tucker, Weller, Crozier, Pearce, Tabener, Hughes, Langdon, Grey; in their place, guaranteed, each week for 10 weeks? You would only guarantee 10 straight, horrible losses. Foolhearty logic making way for mental scars on our youth. Create panic and instability in the side. Create divisions inside the playergroup with your contempt for those who got your club a minor premiership 12 months earlier! There's already enough scuttlebutt being talked externally - Let's not become a team with Nathan Buckley type stories. Boring!

It is not necessary to gift 10 players <23 a full year together in one season. Why breed a losing culture? No premiership side has acted that way. I don't care how exciting bulldogs football is, its untested season after season in preliminary final air. We have built sustained success, a winning culture in the past 4 seasons and need to see this gameplan in effect first, while balance regenerating (not rebuilding) our list like all other smart teams.

We are in agreement. Let's not become Melbourne... We just have different schools of thought why we would become Melbourne and teams like Brisbane/Carlton!

 

[rodney hoo]

Well they couldn't get any f'in worse could they?

Its not new. I've been commenting on our skill levels for several years and if I can see why can't somebody getting paid a cool million a year see it? The problem is not getting ex-Hawks to work on our skills, the problem is having players who can learn those skills. We are very short of those players because our recruiting model has been the wrong one. We don't recruit for a balanced side, we recruit 'the best available' and that will always be midfielders since they develop faster. We bypassed talls for years until recently, now we don't have replacements for our bookends. Those we did pick, don't get enough game time to develop, then get dumped for being crabs.

Its not one person's responsibility, its a shared responsibility. We put everything into a premiership shot and missed. Now we are caught short (in more ways than one) and a rebuild is going to be longer and more painful as a result. However, its unavoidable now. What worries me is Lyon talking about bringing Mzungu and De Boer back on the strength of one game at Peel. Its like he hasn't learned a darn thing from from the constant recycling of the same group of players that offer little, show now signs of improvement and soak up game time from youngsters who are showing more potential. He definitely has his blind spots and thats costing us as well.

Money post,
plus a few others were on the same wave length. It was grab a premiership but once missed all development went into recycling the old guys.

 

[meima]

I do understand what you are saying, but surely first and foremost you look for the best option to advance the footy into attack, regardless of who it is. Looking for your buddy out there is more likely to get you dropped.

That's how the drop out and in work , not that you haven't see it before, that why yesterday I so hope you are there to watch the match against Claremont is on display this call footsoldiers attitude.

 

[meima]

What worries me is Lyon talking about bringing Mzungu and De Boer back on the strength of one game at Peel.

Get one viruses out and replace with another , what a joke. Either put all of them in to play afl and play the kids as a group for peel and peel reserve. This senior player will slowly kill the moral of peel group also young and old.

 

[Grape Bear]

Yeah I thought through all that myself but its a repeat of an old pattern with the same non-performers being recycled.

Actually we should have been getting games into the new blokes last year but we had one last shot in mind. Having missed our shot at the flag we are hurting and have nothing to show for it.

That aside, there is no excuse for not working on our skill levels before this. Lyon needs to wear that. He needs to start rebuilding out playing list as well and that means games into Grey, Weller, Langdon. Tabs, Apeness etc even at the expense of wins

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We were positioned for one last tilt last year, the fact that we got as high as we got is testament to that, and to be fair, that was what Ross was hired for. We fell painfully short, and we've re-signed him with a view to the future. I think that it's uncharted territory for him now, so we are in very interesting times.

Clearly, one of Ross's double edged attributes as a coach is his loyalty to his playing group. I agree that we should have brought in Weller or Langdon in last year, maybe stuck with Taberner more, particularly in the back half of the year when we were struggling; but again, it's hard to justify dropping a foot soldier when you've run your ship by emphasising the value of effort bringing results. It would have been player revolt, no question, he would have lost the playing group.

This year, the incumbents were given an opportunity to cement their spots, with no obvious joy. He's dropped the previously undroppable and now there's a clear message that change is in the air, regardless of results.

I'm all for giving the kids game, but I also don't agree we should play Peel in the ones for the heck of it. We can't destroy the mentality of our future by tossing them into the deep end without senior support.

 

[darkshines]

No way would he have been traded for nothing.

In todays HSun, required price was mid 20s pick.

 

[Gekko71]

Maynes set shot on goal sailed right through the middle when there was nothing to lose.


Is he trolling us?

No - he just relaxed mentally as the result of the kick didn't matter anymore.

Proof positive to my mind that Mayne's goal-kicking problems are entirely mental. He goes into the kick expecting to miss, ergo he does... when he no longer expects either to miss or slot the goal, he's able to slot it.

I repeat what I said several weeks earlier: Mayne and Tabs don't need a kicking coach, they need to consult a buddhist monk who can teach them the art of Zen meditation - to act and move without conscious thought... maybe the whole team could do with a session or two come to think of it.

 

[AAACockburn]

I repeat what I said several weeks earlier: Mayne and Tabs don't need a kicking coach, they need to consult a buddhist monk who can teach them the art of Zen meditation - to act and move without conscious thought... maybe the whole team could do with a session or two come to think of it.

Maybe they need to start putting chamomile tea in their Gatorade's.

 

[Gekko71]

At least the ND isn't compromised by expansion clubs anymore!

**** I hope the 2016 ND has a gun KPF.

It does - and he's a kiwi.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-21/kiwi-prospect-set-to-shine

EDIT: Bugger - the Lions get first crack at him.

 

[meima]

I really don't know what the young playing group can learn from senior like suban, deboer , C.Pearce ,d.Pearce ,Barlow, sutty ,spurr


1) decision making
2) kicking
3) hard running
The three thing Ross talk about is their weakness

Effort is their strength.

 

[Unique Name]

So we've only managed to win 2 of our last 11 games.
(Melbourne and a broken down Sydney both at home)

Watching most games of footy this season I would say we are the worst at:
- Moving the ball out of the backline.
- Maintaining some form of structure.
- Linking effective disposals together.
- Kicking inside 50.
- Scoring
- Defending
- Marking the ball
- Kicking the ball
- Handballing the ball

I have watched every Essendon game this year and they are better than us at everything I just listed.

Watching today's game was like watching under 12's. Just scrap after scrap, contest after contest, the whole team sometimes within 30m of the ball. No running into space to provide options when we had the ball, no class, just hack kicks forward or just poor disposals leading to scraps.

 

[meima]

It does - and he's a kiwi.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-21/kiwi-prospect-set-to-shine

He is Brisbane academy player.

 

[Banker]

No - he just relaxed mentally as the result of the kick didn't matter anymore.

Proof positive to my mind that Mayne's goal-kicking problems are entirely mental. He goes into the kick expecting to miss, ergo he does... when he no longer expects either to miss or slot the goal, he's able to slot it.

I repeat what I said several weeks earlier: Mayne and Tabs don't need a kicking coach, they need to consult a buddhist monk who can teach them the art of Zen meditation - to act and move without conscious thought... maybe the whole team could do with a session or two come to think of it.

You can't fix mental problems.

It what separates the average vs the best.

 

[Freoforever86]

Smith for Clarke
Langdon for Pearce
Blakely for Mayne
Deluca for Ballantyne
Morabito (because he deserves to play more than almost anyone) for Taberner

Just no.

 

[Gekko71]

He is Brisbane academy player.

Yeah I noticed that late - hence the edit to my post.

 

[meima]

Any one thinking about deluca,mora and Smith forget it they are still not yet officially upgrade from rookie to main list.

 

[Gekko71]

You can't fix mental problems.

It what separates the average vs the best.

I profoundly disagree - any athlete can fix mental problems with time and training.

 

[Steinfreo]

im no footy pro watcher. Im just asking. do our kids actually suck? im not really sure they are any good. grey has that tough but crap skills feel. weller has that good skills but slightly cant get enough of it feel. tabs has that spud feel. pearce looks elite. crozier has a spud feel. tucker cant tell. blakely seems av for peel. hughes meh. hannath spud. zarke spud. theres prolly heaps ive missed (im a bit drunk). im just not really sold on lots of our much hyped youth. we need low picks right now.