The Mongoose Bat

[Smoooothy]

So, how long until the ICC bans this bat?

FWIW, I think it's a marvelous piece of woodwork! The power it seems to generate is phenomenal

However, the fact they have a junior range I find a little disconcerting - http://www.mongoosecricket.com/bats/

 

[Power21]

It's legal so why ban it?

Could be revolutionary and change what bats we use, in 5 years it could be all mongooses.

 

[stmookeyj]

So after double sided blades and longer handles (much like a broomstick putter only the blade is shorter), what's next in cricket bats? Return of the scoop with the long handle Mongoose?

 

[Illinois Nazi]

in 5 years it could be all mongooses.

Mongeese.

 

[alfy!]

Should be allowed in T20, but not in any other form.

 

[TheStinger]

If you doubled the size of a bat, I could see the ICC having a problem with it. The bat would just be too big. But halving the size of a bat, can't see the harm in that.

 

[Gazza_11]

Hayden obviously had zero problems with it. Success.

 

[King Elvis]

Should be outlawed in all forms.

At least Haydos is at least using the more tradtional style Mongoose; I don't mind that one so much.

 

[Notorious_29]

No chance I would be buying one. I would imagine it would not take much to snap that handle.

 

[King Elvis]

No chance I would be buying one. I would imagine it would not take much to snap that handle.

Fair chance Matty Hayden hits the ball with more force than you do.

 

[Notorious_29]

Fair chance Matty Hayden hits the ball with more force than you do.

I mean that I don't think it would last over a long period of time. If I am spending $300+ on a bat I want it to last 3 years +. I doubt this bat would.

 

[BarneyBent]

No reason to ban it. It's not like it gives the batsmen a huge advantage all the time. Batsmen have to know how and when to use it, and be able to, and that is a skill in itself.

 

[King Elvis]

No reason to ban it. It's not like it gives the batsmen a huge advantage all the time. Batsmen have to know how and when to use it, and be able to, and that is a skill in itself.

Bowlers have it hard enough in T20 as it is, I don't think a batsman should be able to use one bat to get settled in, then change to another to tee off.

 

[Bomber Bears]

It's legal because the splice is a long way up the handle.

It'd take alot to get used, especially playing off the back foot with so much less bat there.

 

[Ill Chicken]

Using less bat and it should be banned? Ha.

 

[King Elvis]

Longer handle, smaller 'bat' - more leverage = more power, I don't really want to see batting in cricket become like baseball.

They have two bats, the one Haydos used I'm comfortable with, the other one, I'm not.

 

[Damon_3388]

So after double sided blades and longer handles (much like a broomstick putter only the blade is shorter), what's next in cricket bats? Return of the scoop with the long handle Mongoose?

I used to love using the old Gray Nicolls Scoop bat from the kit at high school. Just felt more powerful than other bats (on the occasions I'd actually connect bat with ball, that is )

 

[BarneyBent]

Bowlers have it hard enough in T20 as it is, I don't think a batsman should be able to use one bat to get settled in, then change to another to tee off.

Probably not. Changing mid-innings is probably a bit unfair. But having the choice of going in with one or the other and using it throughout should be fine.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Fair chance Matty Hayden hits the ball with more force than you do.

Fair chance Matty Hayden hits the middle of the bat more often too....

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Saw it last night - and just don't know how you could hit with the thing - the weight must feel funny in the hands.

I don't have an issue with it being used - as has been pointed out - it's less bat - therefore where's the issue?

What i do have an issue with - is the batsman changing equipment throughout an innings. Last night as an example - Hayden got a free-hit and called for the goose for the next delivery.

This is surely against the spirit of the game - the rules were set that you can't change the field - why should you be allowed to change your bat?

If you want to use the goose - use it from ball 1.

 

[Notorious_29]

Saw it last night - and just don't know how you could hit with the thing - the weight must feel funny in the hands.

I don't have an issue with it being used - as has been pointed out - it's less bat - therefore where's the issue?

What i do have an issue with - is the batsman changing equipment throughout an innings. Last night as an example - Hayden got a free-hit and called for the goose for the next delivery.

This is surely against the spirit of the game - the rules were set that you can't change the field - why should you be allowed to change your bat?

If you want to use the goose - use it from ball 1.

Agreed it was quite annoying seeing Hayden swapping bats ever over or 2. I don't think that is on at all.

 

[ubolt]

It's the IPL you can do whatever you want whenever you want.

It's when it comes to first class cricket and international cricket it becomes a problem.

At this stage the bat is legal because in the laws of the game there is only a maximum that the bat must be and there is no minimum.

The problem is if you change mid innings. That's a real spirit of cricket issue i believe. You're using a normal bat then you're not. If you have to "warm up" and "get your eye in" with the normal bat then use it, don't change mid innings. That is just wrong.

 

[Ill Chicken]

So no changing helmets for hats, gloves, broken bats, spikes, whites, bandages/strappning, jumpers, pads for short covers/helmets/boxes and so on.

As long as it doesn't affect the time constraints of the game and it's not mid-over (unless there's a wicket or a delay) there shouldn't be an issue.

 

[BarneyBent]

So no changing helmets for hats, gloves, broken bats, spikes, whites, bandages/strappning, jumpers, pads for short covers/helmets/boxes and so on.

As long as it doesn't affect the time constraints of the game and it's not mid-over (unless there's a wicket or a delay) there shouldn't be an issue.

Hat/helmet is a safety issue. You clearly can't bat with a broken bat. Spikes are hardly a big change, and are only really changed when something's going wrong with them. Bandages and strapping are a comfort/injury issue. Pads, helmets, boxes etc in the field are safety issues as well.

Switching bat mid innings does nothing more than seek to give an advantage over the bowler. Now, is this against the spirit of the game? It's murky. I'm not totally against it, but the conservative parts of me are tugging at me to say it is. I'd rather just the one TYPE of bat throughout the innings. So if you want a Mongoose, you have to use it from the start (I have not problem with that whatsoever).

It's not as simple as calling it despicable, cheating, etc, but nor is it on the same level as changing between hat and helmet, etc, or replacing a broken bat. It's a grey area, and probably something we have to see a bit more of before we make a moral judgement.

 

[Mop]

I got my hopes up seeing Hayden getting geared up to use the Goose in the Super Over the other night, but he got out first delivery.

Tonight he was belting them with it, fours racing to the boundary. However, he was run out by about the length of a standard bat handle. Perhaps it was a bit longer, they only replayed it once, the commentator also made mention of it however.