Play Nice The NM Devil's Chessboard Thread - Part II

[giantroo]

 

[Chadwiko]

Massive.

There was no one else other than Raisi suited to carry the torch once Khamenei goes. He doesn't even trust his own son the way he trusted Raisi.

 

[Chadwiko]

 

[Del191229]

If they IRGC interpret this as a decapitation strike, things are about to get horrific.

Let's hope this isn't the Archduke Franz Ferdinand moment du nos jours

 

[Del191229]

Massive.

There was no one else other than Raisi suited to carry the torch once Khamenei goes. He doesn't even trust his own son the way he trusted Raisi.

 

[DesertRoo]

I'll put money on it that was a US weapon fired by US soldiers from inside Ukraine.

 

[Del191229]

The British/American/Ukranian determination to try and win a land war at sea really is befuddling, unless you think of it as the Brits simply using Ukraine as a training ground for a future war.

As in, could ATACMS fired from Taiwan hit Chinese ships in port.

 

[Del191229]

I'll put money on it that was a US weapon fired by US soldiers from inside Ukraine.

ATCAMS most certainly is a US weapon and yes, it would have required US ISR to target and US trained (at the very least) personnel to fire.

Most likely "contractors" rather than serving USA military though.

 

[DesertRoo]

ATCAMS most certainly is a US weapon and yes, it would have required US ISR to target and US trained (at the very least) personnel to fire.

Most likely "contractors" rather than serving USA military though.

Serious question, in a cost of living crisis how much money does a contractor get by trying to provoke ww3?

 

[Chadwiko]

The British/American/Ukranian determination to try and win a land war at sea really is befuddling, unless you think of it as the Brits simply using Ukraine as a training ground for a future war.

That destroyed ship was one of the few capable of launching Russia's hypersonic missiles that you've spent the last couple of years praising. It's a significant defensive success by Ukraine to take that piece off the chess board.

Hell, it wasn't long ago that you were posting examples of Zirkon missiles hitting Ukraine and how significant that was.

Attempting to handwave this away as fighting a "land war at sea" is... bewildering.

 

[Chadwiko]

If they IRGC interpret this as a decapitation strike, things are about to get horrific.

Let's hope this isn't the Archduke Franz Ferdinand moment du nos jours

Nah, there was no foul play involved here. This is just regular old incompetence.

There were three helicopters in the convoy, and two made it back fine. But there's been plenty of footage posted of the weather conditions they were flying in and there's no way 30 year old poorly maintained Bell-212 helicopters should have been operating in those circumstances. Especially when you consider the US blockage on military equipment means Iran has been maintaining those aircraft with third party pieces for years now.

 

[Del191229]

That destroyed ship was one of the few capable of launching Russia's hypersonic missiles that you've spent the last couple of years praising. It's a significant defensive success by Ukraine to take that piece off the chess board.

Hell, it wasn't long ago that you were posting examples of Zirkon missiles hitting Ukraine and how significant that was.

Attempting to handwave this away as fighting a "land war at sea" is... bewildering.


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Yeah, its one of their few seaborne ways of firing the hypersonics - which can be fired also from planes and on land.

Its like when you got all excited about the ship they hit that could fire Kalibrs. It didn't stop the rate at which the Russian fire Kalibrs did it.

As I said, focusing win trying to win a land war at sea is befuddling, unless of course the people firing those ATACMS have absolutely no interest in actual Ukranian strategy or success, and are just using the country as a live fire testing ground.

 

[Chadwiko]

Yeah, its one of their few seaborne ways of firing the hypersonics - which can be fired also from planes and on land.

Two of their fighter planes (Mig-31) that have been modified to deploy the hypersonic missiles were also targeted and destroyed on the runway this past weekend which I previously linked.

Doubt it's a coincidence that Ukraine is specifically targeting these systems, given the attacks on Kyiv earlier in the year using this missiles. Also, they're considered some of the most costly Russian equipment so enacting those losses on Russia will be significant.

 

[Ruckle]

Yeah, its one of their few seaborne ways of firing the hypersonics - which can be fired also from planes and on land.

Its like when you got all excited about the ship they hit that could fire Kalibrs. It didn't stop the rate at which the Russian fire Kalibrs did it.

As I said, focusing win trying to win a land war at sea is befuddling, unless of course the people firing those ATACMS have absolutely no interest in actual Ukranian strategy or success, and are just using the country as a live fire testing ground.

Yeah bit of Spanish civil war about it, lets try out some new ways to kill each other before we get real serious about it.

What a species we are...

 

[Del191229]

Yeah bit of Spanish civil war about it, lets try out some new ways to kill each other before we get real serious about it.

What a species we are...

At this stage when it is evident to all that Russians are in the process of comprehensively winning on land (opening new fronts at will and advancing on all the existing ones) it really does feel like practice for Taiwan/China is the main aim of all these attacks on ships.

 

[ferball]

At this stage when it is evident to all that Russians are in the process of comprehensively winning on land (opening new fronts at will and advancing on all the existing ones) it really does feel like practice for Taiwan/China is the main aim of all these attacks on ships.

Its to keep those ships from re supplying the New Caledonian terrorists.

 

[Chadwiko]

At this stage when it is evident to all that Russians are in the process of comprehensively winning on land (opening new fronts at will and advancing on all the existing ones) it really does feel like practice for Taiwan/China is the main aim of all these attacks on ships.

Or... Ukraine destroying the ships and planes that have been deploying the missiles that hit Kyiv is a sensible defensive move.

The mental gymnastics that go on with some of you in here to make everything either be good for Russia or bad for America never fails to astound me.

 

[Chadwiko]

Its to keep those ships from re supplying the New Caledonian terrorists.

 

[Del191229]

Two of their fighter planes (Mig-31) that have been modified to deploy the hypersonic missiles were also targeted and destroyed on the runway this past weekend which I previously linked.

Doubt it's a coincidence that Ukraine is specifically targeting these systems, given the attacks on Kyiv earlier in the year using this missiles. Also, they're considered some of the most costly Russian equipment so enacting those losses on Russia will be significant.

They have over 200 Mig31s, yes, not all modded to carry hypersonics (yet), but two out doesn't mean much.

The only thing that can stop the Russian hypersonics is stopping Russia being able to make them.

The factories are too far inside Russia and having pushed them and China together through some remarkably stupid choices, there's no chance of stopping them getting the parts they need either.

 

[Del191229]

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Get back to me when they provide them with SCALP missiles, Caeser SPGs etc etc etc. Like France is doing in Ukraine.

 

[Chadwiko]

They have over 200 Mig31s, yes, not all modded to carry hypersonics (yet), but two out doesn't mean much.

Very few, in fact.

Reports are that there's been "only" in the vicinity of 10 to 20 Mig-31s equipped to deploy the Kinzhal missiles.

Mainly because they decided to transition to outfitting the Su-34 to carry them instead, as a means of minimising the losses of that platform they'd been experiencing in Ukraine.

Good article about it here (based on Chinese analysis, before you dismiss it as US propaganda);

https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2024/01/china-evaluates-russias-use-of-hypersonic-daggers-in.html

 

[Chadwiko]

Get back to me when they provide them with SCALP missiles, Caeser SPGs etc etc etc. Like France is doing in Ukraine.

 

[ferball]

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So you've posted an example of Russia pointing out the bleeding obvious. Well done.

I guess you disagree with that and think France should use force against protestors while they occupy one of our neighbours' country?

Or what?

France is an incredibly racist place. (Like most of Europe I guess.)

 

[Rayzorwire]

Assange is a deeply problematic figure on many levels, but he was bang on when he said forever wars about laundering US taxpayer money back into shareholder profits for weapons manufacturers.

Its only possible when you have useful idiots (plenty on this site lol) who genuinely believe the PR campaigns spun up to justify this bullshit.

Obama had the guts to upend some Washington consensus - on Saudi, Israel and places like Ukraine. He understood, as he said, that Ukraine is not a core US interest in the same way that it is for Russia.

The Obama Doctrine and Ukraine | Brookings

In his interview with Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic, President Obama said Ukraine is a core interest for Moscow in a way that it is not for the United States. But the United States could have done more to help Kiev resist the Kremlin’s aggression, without engaging in war with Russia.

www.brookings.edu

But Biden is an absolute creature of the US national security state, hence this Ukraine disaster. He knows who controls Kramatorsk does not matters to the good burghers of Peoria, IL but its not about that, its about the MIC.

Sorry for late reply, busy week.

Yep, Biden is a different creature to Obama, more completely captured and nothing else but that support to hang his hat on.

Yeah, they're surrendering en masse in Kharkiv, because that's the sector you paid to get sent to as it was "quiet".

Ah, yes, of course it would have been.

Collapse happens very slowly, then all at once, and even then often doesn't need to be apolocalypti to be decisive.

I think the endgame in Ukraine looks more like 1918 Germany than 1945 Germany.

Much of the German Army could have kept fighting and was on good order, the Alliesn hadn't even really penetrated Germany proper etc.

But the people had lost the will to fight on, the economy was ruined, revolution was popping up everywhere.

Good analogy, morale must be abysmal and any past 'success' exaggerated must be ringing very hollow lately.

Not sure how they manage Zel here. They got guys like Gaddafi, Hussein etc off the board by demonising them after they'd extracted every ounce of usefulness.

Turning Zelesnky into a secular saint has made that hard. I've long said his biggest threat is not the Russians, but his "NATO-trained" bodyguards lol.

One may GO ROGUE, a LONE WOLF etc.

It's a grimly fascinating situation.

Can't happen until after US elex though.

Thinking they may well cut their losses if the writing on the wall gets much larger.

A war they're getting smashed in is worse election run-up optics than a peace they can pretend was a win.

Macron is only manufacturing this s**t for domestic reasons right though - to try and wedge the Le Penists (lol he said le penis) as "pro-Putin". Which they variously have been.

Interesting, haven't been following French domestic closely at all in recent months, but was familiar with the far-right machinations to some degree.

 

[Rayzorwire]

Some interesting viewing...

Why Did the US Spend $320 Million on a Rube Goldberg Pier For Gaza? | Common Dreams

Instead of U.S. President Joe Biden marking a red line in the sand demanding that Israel allow aid into Gaza via ground transportation, his inept diplomatic team sent out a plea for help to the U.S. military.

www.commondreams.org