Food, Drink & Dining Out The Perth Thread - Part 3

[Chief]

Part 4 is here:

The Perth Thread - Part 4

Did you see that article in the local paper (not The West Aus) about a forum on the 15th to discuss ways to make crossing Charles st safer/better? I personally don't and have never (even as a child) had an issue with crossing it. Don’t even get me started. Yes it’s difficult to cross and I’m...

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[Beerfish]

I'm sure the generation of the incapable and the unstable that will be left in its wake will be thrilled to hear that.

Good for you.

 

[The Speaker]

Good for you.

No, not good for me. Nor good for you. Bad for everyone.

Especially for those who think themselves invincible, and that they are responsible only to themselves.

 

[craigos]

You need at least two marijuanas man.

 

[The Speaker]

You need at least two marijuanas man.

wow haven't heard that one before

 

[JackOutback]

So that the gangs continue selling it under a legal front, and continue making meth.

Cannabis legalisation is so poorly thought out, yet thanks to the lobby behind it it is now just accepted to a fait accompli.

If it was legal, it would be regulated and not being made by gangs.

I'm not suggesting a free-for-all, but the no tolerance approach to drugs is a social disaster and the primary reason behind all the reasons you don't like drugs (criminals, poor health outcomes etc).

 

[Beerfish]

No, not good for me. Nor good for you. Bad for everyone.

Especially for those who think themselves invincible, and that they are responsible only to themselves.

That's just your opinion which you're of course entitled to but that's all it is. I've seen you fishing for someone to get into this with for a couple of days now but it's not going to be me so don't bother trying. I disagree with you and don't really care what you think about the subject.

 

[The Speaker]

If it was legal, it would be regulated and not being made by gangs.

No, it would be made by gangs with a legal storefront. Are you not familiar with how crime syndicates operate?

I'm not suggesting a free-for-all, but the no tolerance approach to drugs is a social disaster and the primary reason behind all the reasons you don't like drugs (criminals, poor health outcomes etc).

'No tolerance' in name only. The law has not been legitimately enforced for decades. Users get off with warnings, and more warnings, and then fines, and then suspended sentences, and on and on it goes. Instead all the effort goes into tackling supply, which is stupid because by ignoring demand they allow demand to continue unabated, thus guaranteeing the very supply they claim to be trying to stop. Suppliers will dry up when demand does.

That's just your opinion which you're of course entitled to but that's all it is. I've seen you fishing for someone to get into this with for a couple of days now but it's not going to be me so don't bother trying. I disagree with you and don't really care what you think about the subject.

I'm not fishing for anything, because I'm not especially interested in arguing about it either. I am relatively resigned to it happening, though I will fight it where i can.

What I am willing to do is bring up an opposing viewpoint, regardless of whether anyone will respond, because that's what a discussion forum is for.

 

[JackOutback]

No, it would be made by gangs with a legal storefront. Are you not familiar with how crime syndicates operate?

Like how those criminal gangs like Coles and Woolworths sell alcohol and tobacco? There will always be a black market for legal and illegal goods, but those are examples of drugs that are regulated and we seem quite content with the situation. But I agree, no one is changing anyone's opinion here, so we should probably just move along.

 

[Beerfish]

I'm not fishing for anything, because I'm not especially interested in arguing about it either. I am relatively resigned to it happening, though I will fight it where i can.

What I am willing to do is bring up an opposing viewpoint, regardless of whether anyone will respond, because that's what a discussion forum is for.

I hope you're right.

About it happening.

 

[AAACockburn]

So that the gangs continue selling it under a legal front, and continue making meth.

Cannabis legalisation is so poorly thought out, yet thanks to the lobby behind it it is now just accepted to a fait accompli.

The point of legalising it would be to lower the price of it, so that it would not be as profitable to market as it is now.

But thinking about it, if it was legal the government would probably over tax it like they do cigarettes.

 

[perthblue]

The point of legalising it would be to lower the price of it, so that it would not be as profitable to market as it is now.

Is that really the point? I thought the point was so people didn't have to hang around sketchy drug dealers to get it.

I have mixed feelings on legalisation. I think it's inevitable but the people on the 'legalise it' side are laughable by pretending it's some harmless little thing.

 

[Noobz0r]

I'm sure the generation of the incapable and the unstable that will be left in its wake will be thrilled to hear that.

My mum is currently struggling with alcoholism, which can have serious long term health effects. Yet booze is legalised.

 

[AAACockburn]

Is that really the point?

I would say it it would be one of the main reasons, not the only reason to legalise Cannabis.

I have mixed feelings on legalisation. I think it's inevitable but the people on the 'legalise it' side are laughable by pretending it's some harmless little thing.

No I am sure people are aware of the health implications that are involved with cannabis when you smoke it. Which if abused, like all drugs it will have harmful effects.

The premise that it is a gateway drug is also a possible reason not to make it legal.

I bet there would be a lot of parents out there that would prefer their fridges being assaulted rather than being assaulted themselves.

 

[Noobz0r]

I would say it it would be one of the main reasons, not the only reason to legalise Cannabis.



No I am sure people are aware of the health implications that are involved with cannabis when you smoke it. Which if abused, like all drugs it will have harmful effects.

The premise that it is a gateway drug is also a possible reason not to make it legal.

I bet there would be a lot of parents out there that would prefer their fridges being assaulted rather than being assaulted themselves.

I think you’ll find the amount of tax the government puts on it will make it more expensive - look at how much the price of cigarettes has increased in the pay decade.

And since when does cannabis make you assault people? Alcohol is much worse when it comes to violence.

 

[quotemokc]

If cannabis is made legal for recreational use it will have to be priced competitively with current supply otherwise the government will just say legalizing it was a failure.

Has the legalization in Canada etc also allowed growing of personal supply?

 

[Noobz0r]

If cannabis is made legal for recreational use it will have to be priced competitively with current supply otherwise the government will just say legalizing it was a failure.

Has the legalization in Canada etc also allowed growing of personal supply?

The current supply in Perth won’t be able to compete with legally available cannabis, it’s very demand saturated at the moment.

 

[AAACockburn]

I think you’ll find the amount of tax the government puts on it will make it more expensive - look at how much the price of cigarettes has increased in the pay decade.

And since when does cannabis make you assault people? Alcohol is much worse when it comes to violence.

Are you baked atm?

That was my point, that the government will over tax it and that might make it more expensive.

Oh and when I said assault the fridge, I meant them raiding it because they had the munchies.

Most parents if they had no choice would rather their children smoking pot rather than smoking meth.

 

[Noobz0r]

Are you baked atm?

That was my point, that the government will over tax it and that might make it more expensive.

Oh and when I said assault the fridge, I meant them raiding it because they had the munchies.

Most parents if they had no choice would rather their children smoking pot rather than smoking meth.

Haha whoops, completely misread your post. And the fridge point makes complete sense as well.

Apologies my man

 

[Off The Couch]

The thinking that young folk will just smoke cannabis if legalised rather than taking up E and Meth is laughable.

 

[WCErevival]

I dont really know why people care about it being illegal. It's so widely used that it basically doesn't matter.

 

[bok_party]

But why do we still let alcohol and cigarettes be sold legally? In high consumption, they arguably alter a person to far worse states than a bit of weed.

 

[Scotland]

But why do we still let alcohol and cigarettes be sold legally? In high consumption, they arguably alter a person to far worse states than a bit of weed.

excise
noun
'a tax levied on certain goods and commodities produced or sold within a country and on licences granted for certain activities.'

 

[Scotland]

Like a lot of people I went to high school with a bunch of stoners and have never subscribed to the 'it's harmless' thing, but then I don't see the point in sending people to jail for growing a few plants. It's weed not opium poppies.

There's a lot of mixed opinion on what 'legalised' looks like. I don't think we'll end up with 8 year old kids buying pot instead of lollies at the local deli, but the idea that legalising it advantages drug gangs is a bit silly. Large scale growers now have to keep their crops hidden, distribute through bikies etc. because it's illegal. It's risk/reward stuff with any illegal activity. I don't know what the punishment is for growing a few plants but I imagine it's not as severe as importing a kg of heroin or cocaine. Marijuana is a plant which anyone with half a green thumb can grow themselves. If you can grow your own without fear of any punishment then why would you bother buying it from a shady drug dealer in a dark alley? If you can buy it legally why would you bother buying it from a shady drug dealer in a dark alley?

 

[craigos]

I know people who are extremely successful and smoke weed
I know people who are not successful and smoke weed

Can pretty much exchange the word weed for other drugs (maybe not meth/ice categories) and alcohol. If people want to buy weed now it's so ridiculously easy that the thought that legalising it will create an epidemic is pretty funny. Your local weed dealer will even deliver it free of charge, a service that once legalised will probably not exist.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Weed is so irrelevant it’s not even worth talking about


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