The Perth Thread

[Teriyakicat]

Not how I'd describe most of them

How about 'academic kids who love to spend time studying.. or whose parents whip them every night unless they DO study'?

 

[The_Reaper]

How about 'academic kids who love to spend time studying.. or whose parents whip them every night unless they DO study'?

Some- but they make the academic programs.

Majority weren't anything special and spent most the time playing DOTA/watching anime/drinking bubble tea etc

 

[The Speaker]

ATP/AEP/whatever the schools call it can only do so much - kids are more likely to achieve to their potential if they're in a whole school environment that encourages academic achievement. Yeah you get really, really good kids at the not-so-good public schools, but they don't get the time spent on them that they need to nurture their gifts and turn it into talents. Too much time spent on the 'turds' - as some put it.

Perth Mod is good for the State when it comes to the school league tables as it means a public school is in the top 10 every year, guaranteed. But the students have to come from somewhere and they are taken out of other public schools.

And in the long run, I'm not sure that is best for the state, as what it really means is that those kids at Perth Mod are more likely to leave the state for elsewhere, and they don't get to rub off on their peers who may not be as bright as them at that age. There's less incentive for the kids who are eager to learn, but don't know much yet, as they don't have an outstanding peer to look up to.

Are houses in the Rossmoyne catchment area still in as high demand as they were 10 years ago? I remember being told that people were renting houses in the area, just to be accepted into the school, then moving out once they were registered there. Indians and Asians for the most part. The kids are often super-bright but being at a top school doesn't guarantee success.

Yes, I went past a house that was for sale in Bull Creek some months back, and the first dot point on the for sale sign was that it was in the RSHS catchment area.

 

[The Speaker]

playing DOTA/watching anime/drinking bubble tea etc

well summarised

 

[Forward Press]

And in the long run, I'm not sure that is best for the state, as what it really means is that those kids at Perth Mod are more likely to leave the state for elsewhere, and they don't get to rub off on their peers who may not be as bright as them at that age. There's less incentive for the kids who are eager to learn, but don't know much yet, as they don't have an outstanding peer to look up to.

I completely agree, but it is what it is now. I don't think Perth Mod will ever revert back to accepting students from the area - there's not enough secondary school age kids in the Subi/West Perth/Leederville area anyway.

We've become too focused on the league tables imo - both the State Government and parents and kids - as it can leave kids behind - kids that may not be as smart but still deserve as much help as possible. And we need to stop putting public money into private schools that are able to fund themselves easily.

/soapbox

 

[Teriyakicat]

Heh, same thing I said in my post just then.

If you go to Mod, you'd swear it was a school in Asia. Loads of Asian students - Chinese and Indian being the two biggest I think. I tend to agree it hurt the schools that traditionally had the Asian kids pumping up their ATAR scores - Applecross and Rossmoyne spring to mind.

I think overall, though, private schools are taking a disproportionate amount of the talent. And as a side issue, I think it's a bit ludicrous that the State government still funds private schools in spite of the gap in performance.

The State Govt. doesn't give the private schools a hell of a lot of funding compared to what they give the public schools. That's why parents are paying around $10,000 to $30,000 p.a. per student to send them to private schools.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Well with Applecross Garden City is like 50 metres away from the edge of the oval.

But our kids weren't allowed to leave the school grounds. That was it. No matter how close the shops were. Not even to walk home for lunch.

 

[The_Reaper]

Thanks for that info, Speaker.

My kids school used to ask for the results of their WALNA (now NAPLAN) testing at the end of year 7 but then not stream the kids until about year 10. Weird! They started to loosely group the kids when my youngest got to year 7 at high school- I think they had 8 streams which were roughly 3 top groups, 3 middle, 2 needing extra help.

We had streams plus an AE class.

Year 11 and 12 weren't streamed.

 

[Teriyakicat]

In school.

Just an extension program.

I made the Rossmoyne one but didn't go because I was going to have to study Japanese (and not Chinese) and my mother was going on about how my grandmother would be rolling in her grave about her grandson getting forced to learn Japanese (WWII memories)

haha- yeah, I can understand that. My dad would've been the same.
Our primary school offered only Italian - run by some Italian mob who provided the teachers.
Secondary school offered Indonesian and Italian and, recently, French.

 

[Forward Press]

The State Govt. doesn't give the private schools a hell of a lot of funding compared to what they give the public schools. That's why parents are paying around $10,000 to $30,000 p.a. per student to send them to private schools.

And yet the parents are still paying it and numbers are still going up. Meanwhile, public schools across Perth are shrinking and some are on the risk of closure - some have already closed.

Public schools need all the help it can get (imo). If a parent wants to send their kid to a private school, let them. But don't apportion taxpayer funds for it.

 

[The_Reaper]

But our kids weren't allowed to leave the school grounds. That was it. No matter how close the shops were. Not even to walk home for lunch.

Well yeah, you sneak out.

Teachers actually enforced boundaries when I was at school but I'm pretty sure I could have gone off to Garbo easily if I wanted. Though playing sport on the oval was more fun anyway.

Now I don't know for sure but I can only conclude that they're not enforcing it much at all

 

[Scotland]

I'm in the RSHS zone. Me FTW.

Though I'm not married and have no kids, so I'm 12+ years early.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

19,000+ posts already Teriyakicat.

SHIT!

 

[Scotland]

I've been to Garden City and driven up and down Risely Street a gazillion times and I don't think I've ever actually paused to notice Applecross SHS.

 

[The Speaker]

I used to go to Southlands a fair bit and it was ALWAYS full of Willetton kids during their breaks. Don't know of many private schools who let their kids wander in and out as they please- is this a public school thing?

I believe Willetton lets their year 12s go out when they don't have class.

 

[Teriyakicat]

I completely agree, but it is what it is now. I don't think Perth Mod will ever revert back to accepting students from the area - there's not enough secondary school age kids in the Subi/West Perth/Leederville area anyway.

We've become too focused on the league tables imo - both the State Government and parents and kids - as it can leave kids behind - kids that may not be as smart but still deserve as much help as possible. And we need to stop putting public money into private schools that are able to fund themselves easily.

/soapbox

I think if the government cuts funding more, then the private schools will become unaffordable to people who are currently attending and they will become more exclusive.
That would be hard for people who are going to private schools for their religious reasons, not because of their academic programs or whatever.

 

[gaskin]

I feel like I'm at Uni at the moment with all this school talk.

 

[Teriyakicat]

I believe Willetton lets their year 12s go out when they don't have class.

ah, OK- and recess and lunch?
Our Year 11s and 12s always have a full timetable- no free study time at all. That's the way it's always been. if you don't want to do 6 TEE subjects, you have to do a Stage 1 unit or certificate unit. It MUST be full.

 

[Scotland]

19,000+ posts already Teriyakicat.

SHIT!

As I look immediately below your post I see me with 18,454 since 2006, The Speaker 18,467 since 2011 and Teriyakicat with 19,000 since March.

 

[Teriyakicat]

I feel like I'm at Uni at the moment with all this school talk.

secondary school, thanks Not Uni...

 

[The Speaker]

I think if the government cuts funding more, then the private schools will become unaffordable to people who are currently attending and they will become more exclusive.
That would be hard for people who are going to private schools for their religious reasons, not because of their academic programs or whatever.

Generally the ones going to independent schools are the ones going for religious reasons.

Most of those going to private schools are going for the education.

 

[Teriyakicat]

And yet the parents are still paying it and numbers are still going up. Meanwhile, public schools across Perth are shrinking and some are on the risk of closure - some have already closed.

Public schools need all the help it can get (imo). If a parent wants to send their kid to a private school, let them. But don't apportion taxpayer funds for it.

And yet there are parents who send their kids to public schools who refuse to pay a voluntary fee of about a dollar a day?
If they all put in their $250 per year (which is what it used to be- not sure what it is now), the public purse would have a little less strain.
And some of these parents can afford a packet of cigarettes per day- or their weekly Lotto ticket- or carton of grog......

Sigh... life is just not fair, is it? Where is that extra dollar a day going to come from??!

 

[The_Reaper]

Nobody goes to one of the PSA schools for religious reasons (except gun footballers on theological scholarships)

 

[Teriyakicat]

Generally the ones going to independent schools are the ones going for religious reasons.

Most of those going to private schools are going for the education.

What's the difference between private and independent?

 

[Forward Press]

I think if the government cuts funding more, then the private schools will become unaffordable to people who are currently attending and they will become more exclusive.
That would be hard for people who are going to private schools for their religious reasons, not because of their academic programs or whatever.

There are loads of low cost private schools. You don't have to go to St Mary's or Christ Church. And they are dotted around Perth, so you don't have to make the commute to the leafy-green suburbs.

Private schools are already exclusive and imo if raising fees causes more parents to send kids to public school, that's a good thing. No point complaining about the shit public school if you're not doing anything to change it by actually sending your kids there.