Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[Dylan8]

"A 42 year old devout christian and gun advocate, who owned 10 guns including a number of semiautomatic hand guns, shot dead her two daughters aged 22 and 17 in Texas following an argument."

Look, mate, if criminals mums moms want to get their hands on guns, they're gonna find a way anyway.

 

[Garibaldi Red]

The ****? Messi just retired from international soccer.

He cut a very lonesome figure at the end of the game. Simply went over the the Argentinian bench and sat there.

 

[Garibaldi Red]

What a crocker of a reply

Think he meant the guy pointing to he beers. I don't think it is Rowan Atkinson

 

[El_Scorcho]

74% Labor 73% Greens 42% LNP
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Another one I did a few weeks ago confirms me being caught in da laborgreens rift
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They say as you get older you're supposed to get more conservative, but when I first did this sort of thing a decade or so ago I was basically dead on with Labor and i've shifted lefter and lefter every election.

My feeling is basically that negative, fear mongering politics has dragged the voting population right as whole while i've only shifted slightly left, but I can't really tell properly from my perspective.

 

[Steve Dore]

Think he meant the guy pointing to he beers. .....

Rowan Atkinson was about 16 or 17 when that picture was taken.

 

[I Dont Care]

Think he meant the guy pointing to he beers. I don't think it is Rowan Atkinson

No, but it'll do

 

[StrappingTape]

Regardless, British boombers in a majority have decided to vote against the interests of the majority of young British voters. From the outside, that seems a bit selfish.

I'm well aware of political apathy amongst youth though.

From your own opinion it seems selfish. Assuming that the people who didn't vote were all going to vote to stay is a big assumption. What's more selfish, an older person voting leave for national sovereignty or a younger voter voting remain so they can holiday in france without having to apply for a VISA? That's probably the most selfish reason I have heard either side of the whole debate.

 

[I Dont Care]

Rowan Atkinson was about 16 or 17 when that picture was taken.

And he wants a beer

 

[Dylan8]

From your own opinion it seems selfish. Assuming that the people who didn't vote were all going to vote to stay is a big assumption. What's more selfish, an older person voting leave for national sovereignty or a younger voter voting remain so they can holiday in france without having to apply for a VISA? That's probably the most selfish reason I have heard either side of the whole debate.

Yeah gee how selfish to want to stay in the union that has presided over the longest period of continental peace in history. It's all just holidays too, no one works across the continent or anything.

How noble of the older generation to vote based on some nostalgic notion of the good old days or whatever. Take muh country back!!

 

[El_Scorcho]

From your own opinion it seems selfish. Assuming that the people who didn't vote were all going to vote to stay is a big assumption. What's more selfish, an older person voting leave for national sovereignty or a younger voter voting remain so they can holiday in france without having to apply for a VISA? That's probably the most selfish reason I have heard either side of the whole debate.

It's pretty common for conservatives to discount the vote of the young as self interested and shallow and therefore meaningless, but it's bullshit, isn't it?

Everyone votes with their own interests at heart and young people have far more interest in a long term strong and stable economy as they transition into working full time than old people, who are just as likely to want to travel in their retirement.

 

[mic59]

The most ridiculous thing I have read about this BREXIT vote is that it is a triumph for democracy. What, 52% of a turnout of just over 12 million in a country which has a population of over 64 million, meaning the voting population is about 43 million? There would be a strong likelihood for the jingoistic vote as a great number of older Britons have never been able to see themselves as part of Europe.
Voting in Britain, for both elections and referendums has never been compulsory and in years past was heavily slanted to the conservatives as voting was on a Thursday and the booths closed at 6.00, meaning most working people did not have a chance to vote. Voting is now made available to everyone but there are still times, such as Thursdays up till 7.00 when voting booths are only realistically available to the richer or the older, both groups more likely to vote not to remain in Europe.
Everyone could be said to have a vote but in reality the "no" voters had more opportunity to vote. Although apathy is the culprit in the end, this was a vote that was taking into account that there would be apathy and cannot be described as democratic.

 

[Grandaddy J]

They say as you get older you're supposed to get more conservative, but when I first did this sort of thing a decade or so ago I was basically dead on with Labor and i've shifted lefter and lefter every election.

My feeling is basically that negative, fear mongering politics has dragged the voting population right as whole while i've only shifted slightly left, but I can't really tell properly from my perspective.

You're considered leftist if you're unfazed by homosexuality and think asylum seekers should be welcomed (the list goes on). What it means to be left/centre/right has changed massively over the last 10-20 years. When being a ****ing decent human being is considered leftist, you know we're in deep shit.

 

[Port01]

Regardless, British boombers in a majority have decided to vote against the interests of the majority of young British voters. From the outside, that seems a bit selfish.

I'm well aware of political apathy amongst youth though.

The majority of young voters voted 'dont give a shit'
75% of 18-24 voted to remain, but only 36% voted or so.
Means less than a third of young voters actually voted to remain, they can't really blame the old people.

 

[El_Scorcho]

You're considered leftist if you're unfazed by homosexuality and think asylum seekers should be welcomed (the list goes on). What it means to be left/centre/right has changed massively over the last 10-20 years. When being a ******* decent human being is considered leftist, you know we're in deep shit.

This is pretty much my feeling. I don't feel like i'm any more left wing than I was as a Labor voting student, but now to continue what is basically a family rite of passage and vote Labor, I have to vote for a party who supports offshore detention centres for refugees.

Nope.

I see the Coalition as very right wing. I mean in many aspects we are more socially conservative than the United States who might very well vote in Trump. Comparing poorly to Trump isn't the Australia I want to live in.

 

[raman]

The most ridiculous thing I have read about this BREXIT vote is that it is a triumph for democracy. What, 52% of a turnout of just over 12 million in a country which has a population of over 64 million, meaning the voting population is about 43 million? There would be a strong likelihood for the jingoistic vote as a great number of older Britons have never been able to see themselves as part of Europe.
Voting in Britain, for both elections and referendums has never been compulsory and in years past was heavily slanted to the conservatives as voting was on a Thursday and the booths closed at 6.00, meaning most working people did not have a chance to vote. Voting is now made available to everyone but there are still times, such as Thursdays up till 7.00 when voting booths are only realistically available to the richer or the older, both groups more likely to vote not to remain in Europe.
Everyone could be said to have a vote but in reality the "no" voters had more opportunity to vote. Although apathy is the culprit in the end, this was a vote that was taking into account that there would be apathy and cannot be described as democratic.

Referendums aren't democratic, never have been.

 

[Grave Danger]

The most ridiculous thing I have read about this BREXIT vote is that it is a triumph for democracy. What, 52% of a turnout of just over 12 million in a country which has a population of over 64 million, meaning the voting population is about 43 million? There would be a strong likelihood for the jingoistic vote as a great number of older Britons have never been able to see themselves as part of Europe.
Voting in Britain, for both elections and referendums has never been compulsory and in years past was heavily slanted to the conservatives as voting was on a Thursday and the booths closed at 6.00, meaning most working people did not have a chance to vote. Voting is now made available to everyone but there are still times, such as Thursdays up till 7.00 when voting booths are only realistically available to the richer or the older, both groups more likely to vote not to remain in Europe.
Everyone could be said to have a vote but in reality the "no" voters had more opportunity to vote. Although apathy is the culprit in the end, this was a vote that was taking into account that there would be apathy and cannot be described as democratic.

Nah, the final result was about 17.4 million to 16.1 million across the UK - around a 72% turnout I believe, which is much higher than they get for general elections. Weekday elections didn't stop Tony Blair's 'New Labour' winning three consecutive elections. Everyone had an opportunity to vote in this referendum if they could be arsed to do so - it was on the cards much longer than an ordinary election (even our eight week campaign!).

When everyone calms down and carries on there might be some sober analysis of why a proposal backed by all the major parties (with some notable exceptions) got rolled.

 

[Far Kern]

This is pretty much my feeling. I don't feel like i'm any more left wing than I was as a Labor voting student, but now to continue what is basically a family rite of passage and vote Labor, I have to vote for a party who supports offshore detention centres for refugees.

Nope.

I see the Coalition as very right wing. I mean in many aspects we are more socially conservative than the United States who might very well vote in Trump. Comparing poorly to Trump isn't the Australia I want to live in.

Here, here. The Labor Party has sold its soul to Pauline and Winston. I will never again put them first. How dare they lock up children in the pursuit of political power. Bastards.

 

[manureid]

Messi will play for the national team again. This is only his first retirement isnt it? Got at least 2-3 coming out of retirements yet.

As tribey said...ain't as easy beating up on international teams, and Argentina are never usually a unified playing group. Quality individuals, yes. Team, not usually.

 

[Grandaddy J]

This is pretty much my feeling. I don't feel like i'm any more left wing than I was as a Labor voting student, but now to continue what is basically a family rite of passage and vote Labor, I have to vote for a party who supports offshore detention centres for refugees.

Nope.

I see the Coalition as very right wing. I mean in many aspects we are more socially conservative than the United States who might very well vote in Trump. Comparing poorly to Trump isn't the Australia I want to live in.

Yeah America is just a flamboyant version of Australia, really. Trump rightly cops a lot of hate but you've got to understand he's just a big baby who provides for 22,450 people, all of whom too scared to put a dummy in his mouth. His rumblings like, "We're gonna build a wall..." etc etc are no different to Tony Abbott three years ago and the empty promises/political jargon we see from a different douche in a suit every election. It's not like the alternative is great, either - Clinton is just a slightly less stinky poo.

You just have to hold hope that in 20-odd years time we (Gen Y) take over and Hiroshima this awful, hate-driven system.

 

[Dylan8]

This is pretty much my feeling. I don't feel like i'm any more left wing than I was as a Labor voting student, but now to continue what is basically a family rite of passage and vote Labor, I have to vote for a party who supports offshore detention centres for refugees.

Nope.

I see the Coalition as very right wing. I mean in many aspects we are more socially conservative than the United States who might very well vote in Trump. Comparing poorly to Trump isn't the Australia I want to live in.

More socially conservative than America? On first thought I'd have it the other way around.

 

[chiwigi]

More socially conservative than America? On first thought I'd have it the other way around.

They have more at either extreme, but I'd say we have a far greater lump to the right. Certainly socially, if not economically.

 

[El_Scorcho]

More socially conservative than America? On first thought I'd have it the other way around.

They allow gay marriage and act far more strongly on climate change. Those two are pretty pass fail for any country who even wants to pretend to be progressive.

 

[Dylan8]

They allow gay marriage

Ha, gee, have we still not done that?

 

[El_Scorcho]

Ha, gee, have we still not done that?

I don't mind Australia generally in terms of the economy. I feel like we could do better but our welfare system is better than a lot of countries, although it's always threatened by a conservative government.

Morally though we're a total embarrassment. Not having marriage equality sorted in 2016 is alarmingly f***ed. Being so backwards environmentally that the Coalition has politically engineered this economy vs environment you-can't-have-both dichotomy in 2016 is f***ed. Holding asylum seekers in offshore concentration camps where they are subject to flagrant human rights abuses is the most f***ed thing of all.

 

[Dylan8]

Holy shit, not just Messi but all of Argentina's best players are retiring. What a waste of what is basically a golden age that is.


Corruption in Argentian Football must be utterly campaignered. Hopefully this is a protest and someone cleans the place out in time for these guys to un-retire and play in the next WC.