Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 3: Try Hard with a Kengeance

[LukeSA]

Update, raa guy came out and put a jump pack on the battery and now the stupid campaigner is running.

I have no ****ing idea what happened, we charged the battery for 8 hours, put it in and nothing, towed the car home and the battery was nearly dead, raa techie put his fancy shmancy jump pack on the terminals and the campaigner started without a beat and it's been running shmick.

 

[Janus]

 

[Steve Dore]

I guess it's like American football, in the sense that it's one of those sports that you love, or it does nothing for you. Yachting falls into the second category for me, although I will admit that 1983 was pretty special. .......

That puts you firmly in the same category as Graham Cornes.

The old "I don't understand/am not interested in a sport therefore it must be shit" argument unless it suddenly becomes popular as it did in 1983 and for the defense in 1987. Suddenly every Tom, Dick and Harry where experts on sailing tactics. Wrinkles loves to bag sailing as an elitist sport yet was happy to soak up the VIP treatment and watch all the races from the comfort of SA's luxury support vessel Magna with his mate Neil Kerley.

* participate in the americas cup yacht race

A mate of mine, and a Ports supporter, made the crew of South Australia (KA-8) for the 1987 Cup defense.

 

[ScooterBrother]

Interesting. Aecom have announced a pay equality strategy which identifies Women that have been underpaid and ... pays them more:

http://www.aecom.com/au/employer-of-choice-gender-equality/

"For the second year in a row AECOM has allocated half a million dollars to close the pay gap, identifying those women who are underpaid and proactively topping-up their pay to match that of their male peers"

 

[Janus]

Interesting. Aecom have announced a pay equality strategy which identifies Women that have been underpaid and ... pays them more:

http://www.aecom.com/au/employer-of-choice-gender-equality/

"For the second year in a row AECOM has allocated half a million dollars to close the pay gap, identifying those women who are underpaid and proactively topping-up their pay to match that of their male peers"

Equal pay for equal work is fair.

Equal pay for less work because you have to take into consideration things like physical limitations is not.

In fact, my personal theory is that the First World War was nothing more than an excuse to firstly reduce the population of men so that automation could take over and then the Second World War was to get labor for cheap by employing women to run those machines and therefore effectively reducing pay. There was a time when only one member of a family had to work and they made enough to easily support their household. Now, two people have to work and they struggle to make ends meet.

That's why you'll never get equal pay for women cross the board - it would make things too easy. And serfs need to know their place.

 

[NoddyHolder]

What did he eat in Melbourne?





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Deconstructed vegan souvlaki

 

[edgie]

Can rely on Janus to kickstart discussion for the day.

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[Lou Zyffer]

Update, raa guy came out and put a jump pack on the battery and now the stupid campaigner is running.

I have no ******* idea what happened, we charged the battery for 8 hours, put it in and nothing, towed the car home and the battery was nearly dead, raa techie put his fancy shmancy jump pack on the terminals and the campaigner started without a beat and it's been running shmick.

Ha ha.

Almost the same thing happened to me on Saturday. Parked my car, popped the hood to do some minor work, finished, went to start it, click...click. I thought great, starters died.

After removing extractors to access starter and fitting a replacement exactly the same. Click... nothing.

Hmmm. Threw a voltage meter on the battery, 10 volts. Wouldn't take a charge. Swap in another battery. Vroom.

Yet the prick of a thing started fine an hour earlier just to throw me off the scent.

Glad to hear you got it sorted but a shame you didn't have an ohm meter. Would've saved you time & $$$.

 

[Power Raid]

The fundamental rule of public transport is don't catch public transport.

Spot on

I've never understood public transport. Walk or drive.

 

[Power Raid]

the problem with public transport is that it transports the public - yosef stalin 2021

If it wasn't for disease, body odour, random piss smell, the wait and crime; public transport would be great.

 

[LukeSA]

Ha ha.

Almost the same thing happened to me on Saturday. Parked my car, popped the hood to do some minor work, finished, went to start it, click...click. I thought great, starters died.

After removing extractors to access starter and fitting a replacement exactly the same. Click... nothing.

Hmmm. Threw a voltage meter on the battery, 10 volts. Wouldn't take a charge. Swap in another battery. Vroom.

Yet the prick of a thing started fine an hour earlier just to throw me off the scent.

Glad to hear you got it sorted but a shame you didn't have an ohm meter. Would've saved you time & $$$.

Funny things is my mate who helped tow the car had a jump pack in his car we could have used but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

One plus of a new fuel pump, filling with petrol the nozzle used to click off at the slightest squeeze of the trigger but i just filled up and nothing, it goes in the tank smoothly now.

 

[ScooterBrother]

Equal pay for equal work is fair.

Equal pay for less work because you have to take into consideration things like physical limitations is not.

In fact, my personal theory is that the First World War was nothing more than an excuse to firstly reduce the population of men so that automation could take over and then the Second World War was to get labor for cheap by employing women to run those machines and therefore effectively reducing pay. There was a time when only one member of a family had to work and they made enough to easily support their household. Now, two people have to work and they struggle to make ends meet.

That's why you'll never get equal pay for women cross the board - it would make things too easy. And serfs need to know their place.

Pay equality is a complicated debate. There are lots of factors to weigh up and what causes it is a cocktail of issues. But it exists, of that there is no doubt, having said that I'm a bloke (last time I checked) and I would be lying if I didn't say the Aecom strategy makes me feel a bit squeamish.

But we have to change the way we look at it, rather than being threatened by it and seeing it as our privilege being taken away, we have to focus on the positives. Strategies like this might mean Women can work more, earn more, and thus provide a freedom for Men to spend more time at home and with family - which should provide a whole bunch of relief to many Men struggling in this area.

We need to think of it more like a set of scales, with money on one side, and time on the other. If Women get paid more, that should mean more time for Men to be away from the workforce.

As for the First World War being a population limiter - its probably one of the positive outcomes as it allowed for the Industrial Revolution to reach the Plateau of Productivity. The globe is in a very similar space right now, except its the Technological Revolution instead.

 

[chiwigi]

Pay equality is a complicated debate. There are lots of factors to weigh up and what causes it is a cocktail of issues. But it exists, of that there is no doubt,
.

NOPE!

 

[ScooterBrother]

It exists, it's just math.

Whether or not it's justified and what causes it is the debate.

 

[chiwigi]

It exists, it's just math.

Whether or not it's justified and what causes it is the debate.

No its isn't. It is socio economics, the examples of same work and experience for lower pay are very few and far between in developed western economies.

 

[LukeSA]

What a campaigner... i have that annoying paramount browns jingle stuck in my head.

 

[Steve Dore]

What a campaigner... i have that annoying paramount browns jingle stuck in my head.

This one?

 

[LukeSA]

This one?

Nope, not going to listen to it, the campaigner is already stuck on replay in my head.

 

[ScooterBrother]

No its isn't. It is socio economics, the examples of same work and experience for lower pay are very few and far between in developed western economies.

Yes. It is. Download the ABS data if you like. The oft quoted ~70c in the dollar in the US. It's less here, about 17.2%. It is mathematics and is inarguable. Over simplified, agreed, but inarguable.

Men everywhere instantly dismiss the gender pay gap concept with reasonably shallow analysis along the lines of:

"its because they choose to be a child care worker rather than an Engineer!"

mixed in with

"men work more hours! compare equal time to pay, not overall"

and in turn completely miss the point. Which is:

Why do these choices occur, how do they impact pay, and why does society reward "Male" choices over "Female" choices? Why does a Nurse not get paid as much as a Plumber? Why do Men have much more success when negotiating pay rises and contracts? Why does a father not spend as much time at home as a mother when a couple has a baby? Why do Men work longer hours?

I saw a study recently (which for the life of me I cant find) which broke down the gap into smaller parts. Much of it was choice of occupation, much of it was simply "unexplained" but the really interesting part was:

As women started to make inroads into the occupations that were traditionally male dominated and high paying, the mean pay for all went down.

And therein lies the crux of it all:

We do not value work as highly if it is done by a woman. That's the real cause of the pay gap.

 

[edgie]

Why does a nurse not get paid as much as a plumber... Does that really warrant an intelligent rebuttal?

What next, those Facebook groups about soldiers should be paid as much as footballers?

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[edgie]

Any workforce on an EBA must receive the same pay for the same work. To do otherwise is illegal.

The remainder of closing the pay gap as much as it can reasonably be closed comes down to cultural change, not legalities.

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[ScooterBrother]

Why does a nurse not get paid as much as a plumber... Does that really warrant an intelligent rebuttal?

Personally I think someone that ensures the health and well being of human beings just as valuable as someone who unclogs a toilet.

Of course, supply and demand is a huge factor and always should be, but it goes to the core of my point that in general, we don't value work done by women as highly as work done by men.

What next, those Facebook groups about soldiers should be paid as much as footballers?

Nah, it's mostly men, no point.

Any workforce on an EBA must receive the same pay for the same work. To do otherwise is illegal.

Urgh. I forgot to include this in my "oversimplified analysis Men always reel out" examples.

Hey, look at these 6 managers in an organisation. 5 men and 1 woman. The woman earns just as much as the men god dammit! See no gender pay gap!!

The remainder of closing the pay gap as much as it can reasonably be closed comes down to cultural change, not legalities.

This I agree with.

It's profoundly a cultural issue to fix.

 

[Janus]

As for the First World War being a population limiter - its probably one of the positive outcomes as it allowed for the Industrial Revolution to reach the Plateau of Productivity. The globe is in a very similar space right now, except its the Technological Revolution instead.

The problem is that the Industrial Revolution didn't actually make things cheaper - because although the production costs reduced, so did the relative wages of workers due to the fact that machines could now do most of the menial tasks to a better standard so everyone got shuffled down a couple of rungs. Because instead of one highly experienced person being in charge of ten people on a job, it became one low experienced person watching a machine doing the same job.

Then when the Second World War hit, and all the women started working in factories, it just proved that anyone could do the job the men were doing and for less pay, so when all the men came back to their jobs it was like "well, now we've got access to this workforce of cheap labor we can screw you down so we get more productivity for less relative pay".

It's why all the trade jobs get paid so much - no one sane wants to crawl around in a tin roof on a 45 degree day (meaning it's something like 60 degrees inside the roof) running cables, and there is no machine that can do it either. Which is why I've met exactly one female electrician in my life, but heaps of male and female nurses.

 

[edgie]

Nurses are paid out of the public health system, plumbers are not and can set their own wages or work for a private business that abides by award rates.

Bit different.

I wasn't questioning the value of the work but rather the incredibly different structures.

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[ScooterBrother]

It's why all the trade jobs get paid so much - no one sane wants to crawl around in a tin roof on a 45 degree day (meaning it's something like 60 degrees inside the roof) running cables, and there is no machine that can do it either. Which is why I've met exactly one female electrician in my life, but heaps of male and female nurses.

Yousee I've been a labourer as a young man and Id rather crawling around in a hot tin roof than mopping up bathtubs of piss, blood, shit, vomit and mucus. And/or dealing with snotty nosed little twerps. All day every day.

Women (and Men) are conditioned from very early on about what roles are appropriate.

Those roles dominated by Men are valued higher than those dominated by Women.