Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 3: Try Hard with a Kengeance

[Steve Dore]

Kelli Underwood to commentate AFLW. ......

Wasn't there a woman who used to call the AFL for Channel 10 back when they had it?

That would be Kelli Underwood.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Wasn't there a woman who used to call the AFL for Channel 10 back when they had it?

Pretty sure that was Kellie Underwood, as she did some games on TV and I dont think it was for 7 or Fox Sports in that 2007-11 TV deal period.

 

[ScooterBrother]

You can't show me the definitive study because it doesn't exist, if the maths were so straightforward it would.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/u...-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html?_r=0

http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/88/2/865.short

 

[bomberclifford]

It's almost at the sub-conscious level actually.

It's almost as if there was a system at play that was so complex that comparing one person's pay to another's is a folly regardless of gender.

You want to argue for something that is real and inarguable: the issue of non-working mothers with no superannuation being left holding the can after a partner dies/leaves etc.

Universal wage with super attached will help but that's unlikely to happen in the short term.

 

[ScooterBrother]

You want to argue for something that is real and inarguable: the issue of non-working mothers with no superannuation being left holding the can after a partner dies/leaves etc.

Yep, another big one.

 

[ScooterBrother]

A striking example is to be found in the field of recreation — working in parks or leading camps — which went from predominantly male to female from 1950 to 2000. Median hourly wages in this field declined 57 percentage points, accounting for the change in the value of the dollar, according to a complex formula used by Professor Levanon. The job of ticket agent also went from mainly male to female during this period, and wages dropped 43 percentage points.

The same thing happened when women in large numbers became designers (wages fell 34 percentage points), housekeepers (wages fell 21 percentage points) and biologists (wages fell 18 percentage points). The reverse was true when a job attracted more men. Computer programming, for instance, used to be a relatively menial role done by women. But when male programmers began to outnumber female ones, the job began paying more and gained prestige.

 

[Dylan8]

HOW SWEET IS REDEMPTION

Maligned, but a good call I reckon.

 

[Janus]

What's in the boxxxxxxx?!!!

 

[chiwigi]

A striking example is to be found in the field of recreation — working in parks or leading camps — which went from predominantly male to female from 1950 to 2000. Median hourly wages in this field declined 57 percentage points, accounting for the change in the value of the dollar, according to a complex formula used by Professor Levanon. The job of ticket agent also went from mainly male to female during this period, and wages dropped 43 percentage points.

The same thing happened when women in large numbers became designers (wages fell 34 percentage points), housekeepers (wages fell 21 percentage points) and biologists (wages fell 18 percentage points). The reverse was true when a job attracted more men. Computer programming, for instance, used to be a relatively menial role done by women. But when male programmers began to outnumber female ones, the job began paying more and gained prestige.

Again, supply and demand.

As computer programming became more complex wages went up.

Come on, as it is so obvious and simple maths, where is the clear proof that for the same job and the same experience women are getting paid less.

 

[Contested Marx]

Well I for one have had enough of summer thanks

 

[Steve Dore]

.... Computer programming, for instance, used to be a relatively menial role done by women. .......

In which universe was this?

Are you confusing computer programmers with computer operators (collect the print outs, change the tapes, kick off some batch processes)?

 

[edgie]

Stuck in town for half an hour. In work clothes so can't go to the pub to pass the time. Even the ****ing library is closed. Horrible.

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[Magus]

Stuck in town for half an hour. In work clothes so can't go to the pub to pass the time. Even the ******* library is closed. Horrible.

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Que?

 

[Doctor Feel]

Que?

Broken hill has a strict "Must be dressed like a bogan to enter this pub" dress code.

 

[Contested Marx]

Broken hill has a strict "Must be dressed like a bogan to enter this pub" dress code.

Shocked that edgie doesn't have a spare acdc singlet to throw on just in case these situations occur.

 

[Janus]

Yousee I've been a labourer as a young man and Id rather crawling around in a hot tin roof than mopping up bathtubs of piss, blood, shit, vomit and mucus. And/or dealing with snotty nosed little twerps. All day every day.

Women (and Men) are conditioned from very early on about what roles are appropriate.

Those roles dominated by Men are valued higher than those dominated by Women.

I guess it's all relative, because if given the choice, give me a mop and bucket and I'll happily swap places with any nurse on said hot day to be in air conditioned comfort dealing with snotty nosed kids. Actually, I wouldn't, because they'd die of heat exhaustion due to not being used to it and I'd feel bad about it, or kill themselves on some old exposed wiring that some guy who didn't want to pay for an electrician installed.

That's the real reason a trade gets paid what it does. Of the 195 deaths this year in the workplace, only 2 have occurred in health care, compared to 29 in construction and 4 in electricity, water and gas supply. That's a 1650% difference in the danger associated with the respective career choice.

But hey, the smell and the kids are worse than death, right?

 

[LukeSA]

Broken hill has a strict "Must be dressed like a bogan to enter this pub" dress code.

"You must be this bogan to enter"

 

[Doctor Feel]

Due for a repost.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

That's the real reason a trade gets paid what it does. Of the 195 deaths this year in the workplace, only 2 have occurred in health care, compared to 29 in construction and 4 in electricity, water and gas supply. That's a 1650% difference in the danger associated with the respective career choice.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/work...sky-jobs-for-your-health-20151103-gkq1ab.html

EDIT: Was feeling too lazy to post much else but you should consider both mortality and morbidity.

 

[Malibu#27]

In which universe was this?

Are you confusing computer programmers with computer operators (collect the print outs, change the tapes, kick off some batch processes)?

It's pretty clear he is in this case.
It's clearly invalid stats like this that put me off looking into the whole debate beyond being comfortable that the salaries I have influence on are purely merit based.

 

[edgie]

Que?

I dislike doing anything in work clothes that I'm not being paid for.

Broken hill has a strict "Must be dressed like a bogan to enter this pub" dress code.

This isn't true

You can be dressed as Supreme Chancellor Valorum dressed a women too.

 

[Portia]

In which universe was this?

Are you confusing computer programmers with computer operators (collect the print outs, change the tapes, kick off some batch processes)?

It's pretty clear he is in this case.
It's clearly invalid stats like this that put me off looking into the whole debate beyond being comfortable that the salaries I have influence on are purely merit based.

Hi guys

http://gender.stanford.edu/news/2011/researcher-reveals-how-“computer-geeks”-replaced-“computergirls”

However, says Ensmenger, the presence of these women did not indicate that managers of the ENIAC project had modern attitudes toward women in the workforce. Rather, managers hired women because they expected programming to be a low-skill clerical function, akin to filing, typing, or telephone switching. Assuming that the real “brain work” in electronic computing would be limited to the hardware side, managers reserved these tasks for male engineers.

The idea that the development of software was less important (and less masculine), than the development of hardware persisted for many years and women continued to work as computer programmers. Employers, says Ensmenger, were in for a surprise when they discovered a truth that we now take for granted: “Programming,” he says with a smile, “is hard.” The women involved in the ENIAC project distinguished themselves by engaging in complex problem-solving tasks and by advising their male colleagues on hardware improvements. For example, Betty Holbertson convinced skeptical engineers to include a “stop instruction” in order to guard against human error.

As the intellectual challenge of writing efficient code became apparent, employers began to train men as computer programmers. Rather than equating programming with clerical work, employers now compared it to male-stereotyped activities such as chess-playing or mathematics. But even so, hiring managers facing a labor crunch caused by the rapid expansion of computing could not afford to be overly choosy. The quickest way to staff new programming positions was to recruit from bothsexes, and employers continued to hire women alongside men.

http://gender.stanford.edu/news/2011/researcher-reveals-how-“computer-geeks”-replaced-“computergirls”

Not that I want to get in the way of something that two men have agreed on without looking into it, I think maybe you should read this whole article. If it helps, its partly based on a speech given by a man.

 

[_VXV]

Playing Michael Angelo Batio vids for the kids


Anyone else grow up on Speed Kills?

 

[Papa G]

Nurses are more expensive to insure than most trade occupations.

 

[Contested Marx]

Due for a repost.

So I sent that to my son

And he responds with this:


Dbj lookalike?