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Nifft said:
Massimo left at the end of 2023.

Voss left at the end of 2023.

Dodoro left at the end of 2024.

Maybe the constant complaints can also be taken over to the Dodo thread...
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Nah man, everyone knows the list manager doesn’t actually manage the list and is actually just there to do whatever the coach tells him
 
Milanista28 said:
Probably all part of it, I'm sure plenty of good players will be drafted in the 50-60 odd that are taken, hope our team pick the lights out.
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I have it on good authority Rosa is gearing up to pick it like a dirty nose
 
Milanista28 said:
Probably all part of it, I'm sure plenty of good players will be drafted in the 50-60 odd that are taken, hope our team pick the lights out.
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Most drafts produce at least a few decent players, obviously you want to be banking picks in a strong draft if you can, but this time of year is when you see guys start to show what they can do even in a draft like this that's meant to be a bit shallower / compromised by F/S and Academy players.

We've often seen guys rated highly one year out fall down the draft board, and guys not on the radar fly up it due to late-season performance.

A good example is the below (I remember this kid because a Tom Scully was already in the AFL) he started the year as a kid rated around Pick 1, then went entirely undrafted by the time the whole season had finished:

www.espn.com.au

AFL Draft Power Rankings: Tom Scully (not that one!) makes his move

ESPN.com.au's expert Chris Doerre has revealed his AFL Draft Power Rankings for the month of May, with Tom Scully (no, not that one!) making his move up the board.
www.espn.com.au www.espn.com.au
 
So serious question at what point do we get to ask for some pick hand outs. Gold coast got ridiculous benefits. We've literally been ****ed for 18 years. West Coast had win 2 grand finals and are likely to get hand outs. As for Joey the time been eating for 7 years. It's not our fault we can't even ****ing do a rebuild right.
We are a major draw card for the afl and they seem happy to let us rot away
 

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faible said:
Most drafts produce at least a few decent players, obviously you want to be banking picks in a strong draft if you can, but this time of year is when you see guys start to show what they can do even in a draft like this that's meant to be a bit shallower / compromised by F/S and Academy players.

We've often seen guys rated highly one year out fall down the draft board, and guys not on the radar fly up it due to late-season performance.

A good example is the below (I remember this kid because a Tom Scully was already in the AFL) he started the year as a kid rated around Pick 1, then went entirely undrafted by the time the whole season had finished:

www.espn.com.au

AFL Draft Power Rankings: Tom Scully (not that one!) makes his move

ESPN.com.au's expert Chris Doerre has revealed his AFL Draft Power Rankings for the month of May, with Tom Scully (no, not that one!) making his move up the board.
www.espn.com.au www.espn.com.au
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That’s a Knightmare draft ranking though, he wasn’t that reliable from memory
 
Old Campaigner said:
That’s a Knightmare draft ranking though, he wasn’t that reliable from memory
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It was the first one on google from that time, I think Scully was generally highly regarded early that season and fell like a stone.

On a second look he did get drafted, Pick 53 to Port then delisted 2 years later.

Late season form is massive, that was the killer in our 2020 draft, we didn't get much / any exposed form for that year.
 
astrowizzle said:
So serious question at what point do we get to ask for some pick hand outs. Gold coast got ridiculous benefits. We've literally been ****ed for 18 years. West Coast had win 2 grand finals and are likely to get hand outs. As for Joey the time been eating for 7 years. It's not our fault we can't even ****ing do a rebuild right.
We are a major draw card for the afl and they seem happy to let us rot away
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We haven't been shit enough, we'll get nothing and like it.
 
srobbo said:
It’s the same people on this forum that just continue to defend the club, in the face of the indefensible. We delist a firebrand in Voss who has energy, aggression, presence. Imagine having him playing alongside Caddy?? Yet we have listless spuds like Wright & Jones instead.

Another comical EFC list decision.
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Could say Caddy, May, McMahon could be kicking 20+ goals this season if they were in a top 6 team with great delivery from their mids. Who's to say in 2 years time we still hold onto al of those guys? We can't keep all the talent available, nor can we train up all of them.

Freo have been performing below expectation all year. It's not a basketcase team. Player like Voss are riding the upswing.
 
FootyGuru said:
Over 3 seasons though? Most clubs moving 30+ players?
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Some have, yes. Some haven't.

For example;

Geelong have made (including this years MSD) 9, 8, 10 list changes from 2022 - 2025 which included a number of older Premiership players retiring and fringe players, keeping an experienced core group together.

Hawks have done 12, 10, then 6 which was bringing in Barrass and Battle, and from memory have said they've done the heavy lifting drafting their core and are now more looking to fill holes.

It probably needs a more than surface level look to see what clubs are doing. Are they churning fringe players and retirees? Or are they looking to stockpile higher picks and replenish the core of the list?
 

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astrowizzle said:
So serious question at what point do we get to ask for some pick hand outs. Gold coast got ridiculous benefits. We've literally been ****ed for 18 years. West Coast had win 2 grand finals and are likely to get hand outs. As for Joey the time been eating for 7 years. It's not our fault we can't even ****ing do a rebuild right.
We are a major draw card for the afl and they seem happy to let us rot away
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I think the best we can hope for is if the Draper compo is borderline band 1 the AFL do us a favour. They’ll already be doing it for WC with Allen
 
astrowizzle said:
So serious question at what point do we get to ask for some pick hand outs. Gold coast got ridiculous benefits. We've literally been ****ed for 18 years. West Coast had win 2 grand finals and are likely to get hand outs. As for Joey the time been eating for 7 years. It's not our fault we can't even ****ing do a rebuild right.
We are a major draw card for the afl and they seem happy to let us rot away
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We've been average, it's worse than shit. Win enough games over 3 year rolling cycles to stay average, crowds always decent, I bet TV viewers are high, it's likely why the AFL aren't afraid to schedule us in prime time slots.
 
Milanista28 said:
We've been average, it's worse than shit. Win enough games over 3 year rolling cycles to stay average, crowds always decent, I bet TV viewers are high, it's likely why the AFL aren't afraid to schedule us in prime time slots.
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Yeah basically tread water in the middle without getting the picks in to take us to next level. Saints in a similar position
 
FootyGuru said:
Over 3 seasons though? Most clubs moving 30+ players?
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Have only had the chance to look at the last 2 years and not total players movement. It was more a response to moving 10 players on in a year is not normal.
 

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Milanista28 said:
We've been average, it's worse than shit. Win enough games over 3 year rolling cycles to stay average, crowds always decent, I bet TV viewers are high, it's likely why the AFL aren't afraid to schedule us in prime time slots.
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Some say no man’s land? Mediocrity. Not shit enough to truly be shit but not good enough to do anything of note
 
I think you’re probably better off looking at the net effect of the list changes.

Over the past few years we’ve ended up with one of the youngest lists in the league, while the Cats remain one of the oldest despite a similar number of changes.
 
srobbo said:
It’s the same people on this forum that just continue to defend the club, in the face of the indefensible. We delist a firebrand in Voss who has energy, aggression, presence. Imagine having him playing alongside Caddy?? Yet we have listless spuds like Wright & Jones instead.

Another comical EFC list decision.
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Would you hold your job if you kept turning up late or taking days off and then refused to do the work your boss asked ?

On top of that Voss was not playing like a firebrand in his last season with us. He was the most un physical physical bloke I have seen.

Yes he is going great now but it is more the fact that he ended up on his last chance after pissing away a chance for GWS to draft him and then doing the same with us.

It is irrelevant that we have made mistakes with other players.
If Voss had of pulled his head in when asked and trained / prepared like he is doing now then the situation is different.

Rookie player who already had a bit of history when it comes to being a big head keeps doing the same and gets delisted. Not that unusual.

He is better than I thought he would be. I thought he would not measure up. Good luck to him. The penny dropped and he is now reaping the rewards.
 
Starting 2026 with 43 (Jayden Nguyen is a Cat B rookie) and having 5 (Draper, Hayes, Edwards, Martin, Bryan) coming off serious injurious is already going to trouble the start of next year. Throw in the troubled injury history of McKay, Reid, Jones, Langford, Parish) and were probably going to be playing a lot of kids again unless we get some serious luck with how these guys all return
 
srobbo said:
It’s the same people on this forum that just continue to defend the club, in the face of the indefensible. We delist a firebrand in Voss who has energy, aggression, presence. Imagine having him playing alongside Caddy?? Yet we have listless spuds like Wright & Jones instead.

Another comical EFC list decision.
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Get a grip. It all balances out in the end.
 
Kind of irritated that draft guru is still down coz the data is hard to find otherwise. Apparently there's an issue with the domain. ¯\(ツ)/¯

Ended up going through my old spreadsheets to see who was removed between editions, but I don't have notes on who was traded where for what, who retired, who was delisted, or who was drafted at what pick (that stuff is online via footywire and the afl website and elsewhere, but I can't be bothered reviewing several pages of several websites to collate the data).

I could go back as far as 2016 but I stopped at 2020 because at that point the only players on that list that are still on our list now are: Shiel, Ridley, Draper, McGrath, Langford, Merrett, Parish, Redman, Laverde, Guelfi, Bryan, Jones.

2020 outs (13): Tom Bellchambers, Joe Daniher, Orazio Fantasia, Josh Begley, Kobe Mutch, Jacob Townsend, Noah Gown, Ross McQuillan, Adam Saad, Shaun McKernan, Conor McKenna, Mitchell Hibberd, Henry Crauford

2021 outs (8): Marty Gleeson, David Zaharakis, Irving Mosquito, Cale Hooker, Ned Cahill, Patrick Ambrose, Lachlan Johnson, Dylan Clarke

2022 outs (10): Devon Smith, Aaron Francis, Tom Cutler, Michael Hurley, Josh Eyre, Brayden Ham, Garrett McDonagh, Cody Brand, Alec Waterman, Tom Hird

2023 outs (9): James Stewart, Alastair Lord, Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, Andrew Phillips, Rhett Montgomerie, Cian McBride, Massimo D'Ambrosio, Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti, Anthony Munkara

2024 outs (7): Sam Weideman, Nick Hind, Dyson Heppell, Jake Stringer, Kaine Baldwin, Jake Kelly, Tex Wanganeen
 

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