2nds The SANFL Thread

[WaynesWorld19]

One of the reasons we've been in the finals more than we've been out of them in the last decade is when we've needed to dip into our depth and bring a player into the AFL side, they've been able to slot straight in after a couple of games to adjust and begin to make an immediate impact. The main purpose of a reserves team is to ensure that players who need to be called up to the first team are prepared and ready to go as quick as possible.
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Fantastic post .....couldn't agree more

 

[chazwazza]

I can understand Port and Adelaide wanting their own reserves sides in the SANFL. However the SANFL is a competition in its own right and people enjoy it for what it is and don't want it bastardised by having two teams in it that are unable to play by the competition rules, salary cap for one example.
I'm stuffed if I'm gonna put up with watching Angus Monfries, Jack Hombsch and Chad Wingard play for the Port Magpies against Sturt for points, the same goes for Brodie Martin, Matty Jaensch and Tim McIntyre with Adelaide. It can't be a fair playing field and never will be. The two clubs would have funding and resources that other SANFL clubs will never receive. Believe me, if this happens it will be the death of the SANFL comp and you can say goodbye to any integrity it ever had.
As an avid Sturt member and an Adelaide supporter I'd give up on footy for good if this happened. Supporters of the SANFL and the WAFL have given up enough to make way for this poor excuse of a national comp, I don't see why we should give up everything.
Let them take their players and play them elsewhere. But never against the clubs that developed them.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I don't think it was fashion, I think it was money.

Yes ...that's the reason initially

Thee reason it'll probably change again is the gap in standad to AFL ....which again will be argued positively by clubs who have created the situation

reminds me of all AFL clubs who signed on to Etihad Stadium deals saying it was the greatest deal for the clubs and would save them ........and what are they saying now .....yep the opposite

Don't believe club speak for one minute as all clubs lie and are less professional than appears on outside

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If we have a reserves side in the SANFL there are only positives.

They will still be young players playing against men - except this time our youngsters will be playing SANFL quality matches under the watchful eye of our coaches. They will play the position we want them to play.

They will also get to play together, which I think would be a huge advantage. Imagine having Lyons & Kerridge playing together all of 2012. These guys will play a hell of a lot of games together in the middle for our club and it would have been beneficial for them to play together for a season in the SANFL before going to AFL level.

Yep and there won't be the win at all cost attitude

Collingwood in the VFL one windy wet day played 3 x 200cm ruckmen in the same team .....needless to say they lost by 100 points

So where do the left over players play if no injuries at start of year ? ......22 in AFL side, 22 in reserves ....a few left out in cold

 

[Cap]

Yes ...that's the reason initially

Thee reason it'll probably change again is the gap in standad to AFL ....which again will be argued positively by clubs who have created the situation

reminds me of all AFL clubs who signed on to Etihad Stadium deals saying it was the greatest deal for the clubs and would save them ........and what are they saying now .....yep the opposite

Don't believe club speak for one minute as all clubs lie and are less professional than appears on outside

I am trying to think of a sporting competition around there world where a teams doesn't have some form of a "B" team

American sports don't have anything from memory?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I can understand Port and Adelaide wanting their own reserves sides in the SANFL. However the SANFL is a competition in its own right and people enjoy it for what it is and don't want it bastardised by having two teams in it that are unable to play by the competition rules, salary cap for one example.
I'm stuffed if I'm gonna put up with watching Angus Monfries, Jack Hombsch and Chad Wingard play for the Port Magpies against Sturt for points, the same goes for Brodie Martin, Matty Jaensch and Tim McIntyre with Adelaide. It can't be a fair playing field and never will be. The two clubs would have funding and resources that other SANFL clubs will never receive. Believe me, if this happens it will be the death of the SANFL comp and you can say goodbye to any integrity it ever had.
As an avid Sturt member and an Adelaide supporter I'd give up on footy for good if this happened. Supporters of the SANFL and the WAFL have given up enough to make way for this poor excuse of a national comp, I don't see why we should give up everything.
Let them take their players and play them elsewhere. But never against the clubs that developed them.

why stuff SANFL competition up permanently on one of AFL clubs wims

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I am trying to think of a sporting competition around there world where a teams doesn't have some form of a "B" team

American sports don't have anything from memory?

I am no expert on American sport ......but i thought Baseball drew players from minor league affiliated teams similar to the current AFL setup?

I stand to be corrected though

 

[Cap]

I am no expert on American sport ......but i thought Baseball drew players from minor league affiliated teams similar to the current AFL setup?

I stand to be corrected though

that is what I think

I guess I would be more interested in "team" sports where game play is important, baseball, like Cricket is esentially a solo sport wrapped up into a team enviroment of fielding....

 

[headache1]

NBA teams have affiliates in the D-League (Development League). They often send players not getting minutes to their D-League affiliate and then call them back as required.

 

[Vader]

Yes ...that's the reason initially

Thee reason it'll probably change again is the gap in standad to AFL ....which again will be argued positively by clubs who have created the situation

reminds me of all AFL clubs who signed on to Etihad Stadium deals saying it was the greatest deal for the clubs and would save them ........and what are they saying now .....yep the opposite

Don't believe club speak for one minute as all clubs lie and are less professional than appears on outside

Actually, they're all pretty happy with their stadium deals now. The deals they signed up for initially weren't anywhere near as lucrative as they were led to believe, but the AFL stepped in about 3-4 years ago and fixed the problem.

Adelaide & Port are clearly now 17th & 18th when it comes to their stadium returns.. which is part of the attraction of moving to AO.

 

[AFC979810]

Yep and there won't be the win at all cost attitude

Collingwood in the VFL one windy wet day played 3 x 200cm ruckmen in the same team .....needless to say they lost by 100 points

So where do the left over players play if no injuries at start of year ? ......22 in AFL side, 22 in reserves ....a few left out in cold

I assume we would deal with the problems of having a reserve team like the last 6 premiership teams have dealt with them.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I assume we would deal with the problems of having a reserve team like the last 6 premiership teams have dealt with them.

So that means follow the leader then ??

How about we lead instead of follow

 

[WeeBlake]

So that means follow the leader then ??

How about we lead instead of follow

I have always believed that ignoring other people's good ideas is the surest path to success.

 

[Apsaalooke]

I can understand Port and Adelaide wanting their own reserves sides in the SANFL. However the SANFL is a competition in its own right and people enjoy it for what it is and don't want it bastardised by having two teams in it that are unable to play by the competition rules, salary cap for one example.
I'm stuffed if I'm gonna put up with watching Angus Monfries, Jack Hombsch and Chad Wingard play for the Port Magpies against Sturt for points, the same goes for Brodie Martin, Matty Jaensch and Tim McIntyre with Adelaide. It can't be a fair playing field and never will be. The two clubs would have funding and resources that other SANFL clubs will never receive. Believe me, if this happens it will be the death of the SANFL comp and you can say goodbye to any integrity it ever had.
As an avid Sturt member and an Adelaide supporter I'd give up on footy for good if this happened. Supporters of the SANFL and the WAFL have given up enough to make way for this poor excuse of a national comp, I don't see why we should give up everything.
Let them take their players and play them elsewhere. But never against the clubs that developed them.

You do realize that Sturt is a hair's breadth from closing its doors completely and we may never see them again.

I'm a Sturt supporter too and I'd rather see them as a Crows reserves team while retaining their name and jumper rather than as a blue collar on a Norwood guernsey or worse a distant memory. John Halbert for one apparently feels the same.

 

[BigLefty]

slight change of direction here.

Tonight Norwood are playing East Fremantle in the Foxtel cup. Why do they insist on playing it at Footy Park and other AFL venues rather than a ground that may actually attract more than 20 supporters?

Most of our SANFL grounds now play night footy, so the lighting is up to scratch, the grounds/facilities are no worse in standard to that which these teams play at every week anyway.

I can't see one good or even reasonable explanation to why this game isn't at The Parade tonight?

Anyone?

 

[brucetiki]

slight change of direction here.

Tonight Norwood are playing East Fremantle in the Foxtel cup. Why do they insist on playing it at Footy Park and other AFL venues rather than a ground that may actually attract more than 20 supporters?

Most of our SANFL grounds now play night footy, so the lighting is up to scratch, the grounds/facilities are no worse in standard to that which these teams play at every week anyway.

I can't see one good or even reasonable explanation to why this game isn't at The Parade tonight?

Anyone?

Simple - television infrastructure. Easier to set it up at AAMI than at the suburban grounds.

Also, given that only a few hundred people are rocking up to these games, it's going to look empty regardless of where it's played.

 

[chazwazza]

You do realize that Sturt is a hair's breadth from closing its doors completely and we may never see them again.

I'm a Sturt supporter too and I'd rather see them as a Crows reserves team while retaining their name and jumper rather than as a blue collar on a Norwood guernsey or worse a distant memory. John Halbert for one apparently feels the same.

If that was the only way Sturt could survive then I'd rather they folded or merged. As I said before, there's no way you can run a competition with salary caps differing by millions of dollars.
I noticed that there is a lot of ill feeling in WA concerning the two reserves teams.
Expect a massive outrage if it were to happen in SA

 

[BigLefty]

Simple - television infrastructure. Easier to set it up at AAMI than at the suburban grounds.

Also, given that only a few hundred people are rocking up to these games, it's going to look empty regardless of where it's played.

thanks for the answer.

i'd have thought if the ABC coverage can manage to set up a a different ground each week then the foxtel guys could manage it. it still seems strange to me.

 

[brucetiki]

thanks for the answer.

i'd have thought if the ABC coverage can manage to set up a a different ground each week then the foxtel guys could manage it. it still seems strange to me.

The ABC have their own OB facilities, and have the facilities to set up a makeshift studio each week.

Fox Footy outsource their OB facilities, and don't have the facilities to set up a makeshift studio. It's also why almost all televised NAB Cup matches are games at AFL stadiums. They tried to do a broadcast from a VFL ground last year (Eureka Stadium) and they had nothing but problems because of the makeshift broadcast arrangements they had to have for that game.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

There's more players than crowd there

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You do realize that Sturt is a hair's breadth from closing its doors completely and we may never see them again.

I'm a Sturt supporter too and I'd rather see them as a Crows reserves team while retaining their name and jumper rather than as a blue collar on a Norwood guernsey or worse a distant memory. John Halbert for one apparently feels the same.

Do you believe the Sturt Guernsey would be retained ? .......would be the only AFL reserves team that DOESN'T retain their AFL colours

 

[spenze]

Collingwood in the VFL one windy wet day played 3 x 200cm ruckmen in the same team

Weirdly enough, Carlton run that approach all year round in the AFL

 

[Apsaalooke]

If that was the only way Sturt could survive then I'd rather they folded or merged. As I said before, there's no way you can run a competition with salary caps differing by millions of dollars.
I noticed that there is a lot of ill feeling in WA concerning the two reserves teams.
Expect a massive outrage if it were to happen in SA

You may want them to fold or "merge" (aka takeover as they are in no position to bargain) but I and thousands of others wouldn't.
It seems odd that some feel the AFC/PAFC reserves would be too strong and others feel they would be non-competitive. Can't have it both ways.

I have a lot of ill feeling towards Port. Doesn't mean I don't like us playing them. In fact it makes victories that much sweeter.

Do you believe the Sturt Guernsey would be retained ? .......would be the only AFL reserves team that DOESN'T retain their AFL colours

Given the difficulties the Crows face to get into the SANFL, it would be almost certainly a concession they would be willing to give. If they don't retain the guernsey, it's not Sturt anymore and so it becomes a moot point really as the AFC would have to negotiate a completely different deal.

 

[AFC979810]

So that means follow the leader then ??

How about we lead instead of follow

Thats a throw away line if I have ever heard of one.

Absolutely it means follow the leader if the ideas are good ideas. A reserve side coached by AFC staff will only benefit us for reasons stated above.

And how are you proposing we lead? By continuing the same outdated system we currently have in place? Its time to get with the program and realise almost every major sports league in the world have development teams. This includes every soccer league, NBA, NHL, MLB (one could even argue NFL with their European affiliation).

 

[AFC979810]

I have always believed that ignoring other people's good ideas is the surest path to success.

Once again another fluff comment that has no relevance to this discussion. Think it's more relevant if you are writing a book on how to be an inventor or entrepreneur rather than how to be a successful AFL club.

Why ignore other peoples "GOOD" ideas? You have said yourself that they are good ideas? If they are good ideas and an improvement on what we are currently doing - why not do it?

This is a very competitive industry where if you don't adapt and gain any competitive advantage you can - then you will be left behind. It doesn't matter who thought up the good idea - if it makes you better go with it.

We are currently in a situation where we are not properly managing our younger players who aren't in our best 22. We are at the mercy of SANFL coaches who are paid to win and won't hesitate to use a player to achieve this goal even if it is at the detriment to the player. We have had a player (McKernan) forced to change SANFL clubs this season. Would he have developed quicker if he wasn't stuck in a side that finished 9th in the SANFL last year and instead played alongside players like Lyons/Kerridge/Riley/Tambling/Johnston/McIntyre/Lynch? How destructive was it to a player with extremely low confidence to have to change SANFL clubs?