2nds The SANFL Thread

[Vader]

I don't know, we haven't been too bad. In the last five drafts we've brought in, from rounds 3 forward, the likes of Sloane, Laird, Wright, Henderson, Hartigan, Lyons and Shaw. Not to mention second-rounder Grigg who, in a normal draft year, would be a third rounder (pick 41).

There's also been some value in Callinan and Jaensch, and any of Ellis-Yolmen, Atkins and Siggins may work out too but it's a bit early to tell.

Of the players you've listed, Laird & Sloane are the clear standouts - and Sloane was taken inside the top-50 of the draft, so hardly qualifies as being a "late" pick. Wright has gone backwards this year, after a promising season in 2012 - only time will tell which direction his career takes. Hartigan is far from proven, though he looks handy based on first appearances. Lyons is vastly overrated and appears likely to be a player better suited to the state leagues than the AFL. Shaw is perpetually injured and thus has virtually no value at all. Henderson remains an enigma, after several years on our list. One day he's very good, another day he's very ordinary. You can probably add Petrenko to the list as well - he's played more games than I expected, but his shortcomings are now evident to all & sundry (shortcomings that I pointed out 2 years ago).

Jaensch has always been rubbish and was vastly overrated by the Adelaide BigFooty board, based on some encouraging SANFL form - form which he never backed up with performances at AFL level. Callinan is what he is and isn't what he isn't, we've got reasonable service out of him but he's never set the world on fire. I haven't seen enough of CEY to make a call - and I haven't seen anything at all of our 2012 draftees (Siggins & Atkins).

Overall, we've picked up 1 proven gun (Sloane) and 1 possible gun (Laird) in 10 years. I'd list Wright, Hartigan, Henderson, Petrenko & Callinan as handy - but definitely not guns. We've also picked up our fair share of trash (as you'd expect that late in the draft). Overall, that's no better than an average performance for an AFL club over a 10 year period. I wouldn't say that it was worse than average, but it's certainly nothing to get excited about.

 

[Magma]

I think it's safe to say he really needs a new tactic besides flooding. You don't believe it's tactics, I do.

it's not tactics when you get smashed in the midfield. it's a lack of intensity.

 

[swanfan]

it's not tactics when you get smashed in the midfield. it's a lack of intensity.

Well, let's hope we play North but of course I will be in Melbourne

 

[radiojake]

Well, let's hope we play North but of course I will be in Melbourne

The Charles Dickens Tavern on Collins St played the 2012 SANFL GF - I am assuming they'll be doing it again... I'll be there!

 

[Team DJ]

We have? 2001 no longer counts as "in the past decade". Since then our record in the later rounds has been average at best. On the other hand, our record in the early rounds has improved dramatically since Fantasia was sent packing.

WRONG!!!!!
Lets just start at some of the blokes who started this season shall we.....
Laird Grigg Hartigan Lyons should all be 100+ AFL Game players.

Rory Sloane, Ricky Henderson Matt Wright Ian Callinan have all been and still are in many cases best 22ers if not better at the Crows and have been picked in the 3rd round or later within the last 5 seasons.

 

[swanfan]

The Charles Dickens Tavern on Collins St played the 2012 SANFL GF - I am assuming they'll be doing it again... I'll be there!

Alright mate. Meet you there

 

[Vader]

WRONG!!!!!
Lets just start at some of the blokes who started this season shall we.....
Laird Grigg Hartigan Lyons should all be 100+ AFL Game players.

Rory Sloane, Ricky Henderson Matt Wright Ian Callinan have all been and still are in many cases best 22ers if not better at the Crows and have been picked in the 3rd round or later within the last 5 seasons.

Grigg was pick #41 - in the 2nd round. Doesn't count.
Lyons is vastly overrated and will (in my opinion) end up being a state league player.
Hartigan is far from proven - could be good, could be a bust, only time will tell. Certainly far too early to use him as evidence of success.
Laird looks good so far.
Sloane is the only genuine proven gun on that list - and he was taken inside the top-50 of the ND, in the 3rd round at #44. It's debatable that anyone in the top-50 of the ND really qualifies as a late pick.
Henderson has all the consistency of week old porridge. He looked great late in the season when he was allowed to roam our backline like an unregistered dog. His performances earlier in the season saw him dropped to the SANFL. Hardly a proven gun.
Wright looked promising in 2012, but went backwards badly this year. Looks like being a good average footballer rather than a gun.
Callinan is what he is and isn't what he isn't. He's a handy small forward in a team without any other options. He's not a gun.

Being best 22 does not make a player a gun. We've found a few decent players late in the draft, but Laird is the only potential "gun" we've uncovered outside the top-50 of the ND. Overall, we're about average with our strike rate in the later rounds of the draft. I doubt we're doing better than average, but I also doubt that we'd be much worse than average either.

It's a far cry from 2001, when we uncovered 2x AA players (Bock & Rutten), plus Mattner - who played 200+ AFL games before retiring.

 

[spenze]

Grigg was pick #41 - in the 2nd round. Doesn't count.
It's debatable that anyone in the top-50 of the ND really qualifies as a late pick.

I'd suggest anything past the second round is a late pick these days Vader. After round three it is primarily rookie upgrades that get done with an occasional hail mary pick in amongst it so third round is the last chance saloon for many of these guys to be on an AFL senior list

 

[Vader]

I'd suggest anything past the second round is a late pick these days Vader. After round three it is primarily rookie upgrades that get done with an occasional hail mary pick in amongst it so third round is the last chance saloon for many of these guys to be on an AFL senior list

I'd settle for anything beyond the top-50. That's late in the 3rd round these days, though it was early in the 3rd round during the GC/GWS concession years. As you say, many of the picks beyond the 3rd round are rookie upgrades.

 

[Mismatched]

We have found a ton of gems in rounds 3 - Rookie in the past decade. Id rather take a chance on another 18 year old. Then hope a good state league player can make it.\
Save the state leaguers for late rookie pick ups as insurance.

WRONG!!!!!
Lets just start at some of the blokes who started this season shall we.....
Laird Grigg Hartigan Lyons should all be 100+ AFL Game players.

Rory Sloane, Ricky Henderson Matt Wright Ian Callinan have all been and still are in many cases best 22ers if not better at the Crows and have been picked in the 3rd round or later within the last 5 seasons.

So should we be drafting 18 year olds or mature agers? Of the 8 you've mentioned 4 were mature aged when drafted

 

[Team DJ]

So should we be drafting 18 year olds or mature agers? Of the 8 you've mentioned 4 were mature aged when drafted

20 is hardly 26.
Callinan is the only real true mature guy on that list

 

[Team DJ]

Grigg was pick #41 - in the 2nd round. Doesn't count.
Lyons is vastly overrated and will (in my opinion) end up being a state league player.
Hartigan is far from proven - could be good, could be a bust, only time will tell. Certainly far too early to use him as evidence of success.
Laird looks good so far.
Sloane is the only genuine proven gun on that list - and he was taken inside the top-50 of the ND, in the 3rd round at #44. It's debatable that anyone in the top-50 of the ND really qualifies as a late pick.
Henderson has all the consistency of week old porridge. He looked great late in the season when he was allowed to roam our backline like an unregistered dog. His performances earlier in the season saw him dropped to the SANFL. Hardly a proven gun.
Wright looked promising in 2012, but went backwards badly this year. Looks like being a good average footballer rather than a gun.
Callinan is what he is and isn't what he isn't. He's a handy small forward in a team without any other options. He's not a gun.

Being best 22 does not make a player a gun. We've found a few decent players late in the draft, but Laird is the only potential "gun" we've uncovered outside the top-50 of the ND. Overall, we're about average with our strike rate in the later rounds of the draft. I doubt we're doing better than average, but I also doubt that we'd be much worse than average either.

It's a far cry from 2001, when we uncovered 2x AA players (Bock & Rutten), plus Mattner - who played 200+ AFL games before retiring.

Whatever Vader.
Youre opinion is often wrong and you are once again. We have had quite a few blokes selected 50+ who are in our top 25 on the list.

 

[Vader]

Whatever Vader.
Youre opinion is often wrong and you are once again. We have had quite a few blokes selected 50+ who are in our top 25 on the list.

I count 3 of 25 - which is probably below the AFL average.

Grigg, Sloane < 50 - ineligible
Hartigan, Wright, Lyons - not in our best 25
Laird, Callinan & Henderson = 3

My opinions might be unpopular - but it's amazing how often I'm proven correct in the fullness of time.

 

[boffo]

but, but, but all our young 'guns' were taken in picks <50

Dangerfield
Talia
Sloane
Smith
Crouch

(Walker being the exception due to our canny use of the NSW scholarship)

To climb right up the ladder we need more guns, not more in the top 10-25 range

 

[Team DJ]

I count 3 of 25 - which is probably below the AFL average.

Grigg, Sloane < 50 - ineligible
Hartigan, Wright, Lyons - not in our best 25
Laird, Callinan & Henderson = 3

My opinions might be unpopular - but it's amazing how often I'm proven correct in the fullness of time.

Wright is in our best 25.
Hartigan and Lyons will be by this time next season.
Vader youve never been proven correct. In fact you get further from it the longer it goes.

 

[CrowCro]

Grigg was pick #41 - in the 2nd round. Doesn't count.
Lyons is vastly overrated and will (in my opinion) end up being a state league player.
Hartigan is far from proven - could be good, could be a bust, only time will tell. Certainly far too early to use him as evidence of success.
Laird looks good so far.
Sloane is the only genuine proven gun on that list - and he was taken inside the top-50 of the ND, in the 3rd round at #44. It's debatable that anyone in the top-50 of the ND really qualifies as a late pick.
Henderson has all the consistency of week old porridge. He looked great late in the season when he was allowed to roam our backline like an unregistered dog. His performances earlier in the season saw him dropped to the SANFL. Hardly a proven gun.
Wright looked promising in 2012, but went backwards badly this year. Looks like being a good average footballer rather than a gun.
Callinan is what he is and isn't what he isn't. He's a handy small forward in a team without any other options. He's not a gun.

Being best 22 does not make a player a gun. We've found a few decent players late in the draft, but Laird is the only potential "gun" we've uncovered outside the top-50 of the ND. Overall, we're about average with our strike rate in the later rounds of the draft. I doubt we're doing better than average, but I also doubt that we'd be much worse than average either.

It's a far cry from 2001, when we uncovered 2x AA players (Bock & Rutten), plus Mattner - who played 200+ AFL games before retiring.

Henderson has line breaking ability and speed together with superior lateral movement. One of the best talents at afc. UNFORTUNATELY HE IS TOO OFTEN USED TOO PLUG OUR MANY DEFICIENCIES. A great talent

 

[mcday]

Henderson has line breaking ability and speed together with superior lateral movement. One of the best talents at afc. UNFORTUNATELY HE IS TOO OFTEN USED TOO PLUG OUR MANY DEFICIENCIES. A great talent

A player being used to help deficiencies. What a shock

 

[Vader]

Wright is in our best 25.
Hartigan and Lyons will be by this time next season.
Vader youve never been proven correct. In fact you get further from it the longer it goes.

Wright isn't - at least not at this point in time. He was this time 12 months ago, but this is 2013, not 2012.
Hartigan may get there, or he may not - too early to tell. Either way, he's not there yet.
Lyons never will be.

 

[beartoo]

Wright isn't - at least not at this point in time. He was this time 12 months ago, but this is 2013, not 2012.
Hartigan may get there, or he may not - too early to tell. Either way, he's not there yet.
Lyons never will be.

Big call that one. I have a hunch it will be revisited down the track.

 

[swanfan]

Big call that one. I have a hunch it will be revisited down the track.

Bookmark it

 

[Vader]

Big call that one. I have a hunch it will be revisited down the track.

I expect Lyons to fall into the Martin/Riley category of players who are good enough to play the occasional AFL game, but not good enough to ever be close to the best 22. He doesn't have the weapons to make it in the AFL, given the serious shortcomings in his game.

 

[Elite Crow]

Wright isn't - at least not at this point in time. He was this time 12 months ago, but this is 2013, not 2012.
Hartigan may get there, or he may not - too early to tell. Either way, he's not there yet.
Lyons never will be.

But Wright has an excuse, he was carrying too much muscle, or does that argument only wash when your want to spin bullshit excuses for VB?

 

[Golumless]

But Wright has an excuse, he was carrying too much muscle, or does that argument only wash when your want to spin bullshit excuses for VB?

Honestly, Wright should be our defensive forward. Can kick goals, can get possessions, is better then Petrenko.

Definitely in the 25, should be in the 22.

 

[1990crow]

Wright isn't - at least not at this point in time. He was this time 12 months ago, but this is 2013, not 2012.
Hartigan may get there, or he may not - too early to tell. Either way, he's not there yet.
Lyons never will be.

Wright no matter how bad his season was, still finished in the best 25. He just didn't happen to be an automatic best 22 selection. Don't get that confused with not being in our best 25 players.

 

[Vader]

Wright no matter how bad his season was, still finished in the best 25. He just didn't happen to be an automatic best 22 selection. Don't get that confused with not being in our best 25 players.

How often did he even make the emergency list? Once he was dropped, the selectors rarely gave him a second thought. If you don't make the emergency list, then you're not in the 25.