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not just human, all life is borne to the sane mechanism.To put it rather simply....Monotheism can't deal with grey's.....And human existence has many shades of grey.
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not just human, all life is borne to the sane mechanism.To put it rather simply....Monotheism can't deal with grey's.....And human existence has many shades of grey.
thank-you! perhaps you can explain to The Speaker as you have far greater intelligence, and understanding of complex philosophical abd theological jargon/history than i, someone more able to cite material etc that would be on par with Speakers.
not just human, all life is borne to the sane mechanism.
the bible is heavily redacted and abridged and misappropriated. further, the hundreds of years of theology have only embellished and corrupted whatever existed in its primal form.I would prefer you to answer why you choose to ignore what God says about himself and the world he has created and has sovereignty over.
There is surprisingly little written about The Devil from a scholarly perspective. The Devil is a Christian invention with long ancient roots, all the way back to Mesopotamia, by way of Egypt, Ancient Greece, and the Germanic cults of northern Europe. Jewish apocrypha helped in the development of the idea of The Devil, but where Judaism abandoned these ideas, they remained among the Jews who formed the earliest Christian congregations in the ancient Mediterranean.
the bible is heavily redacted and abridged and misappropriated. further, the hundreds of years of theology have only embellished and corrupted whatever existed in its primal form.
also, christianity itself came from Constantine, who had heard of the gnostic religion and they took their books, ideas and subverted them, flipped them around.
god has never spoken, and never thru the bible or theology. otherwise mohammed and david icke and any other crackpot who claims such.
all religions, including ancoent belief systems, the Aboriginals, the Native Americans, the tale of Gilgamesh, etc, they are all merely operas using humanized characters to understand the universe, mankind, and the thoughts in their heads.
God has revealed himself, and it is the self-evident truths where it is revealed....exactly HOW the mechanism works, dualism.
see, the primary self-evident truth is Intelligent Design. unquestionable. i know the dumb Athiests do, but they're dumb. It is man who created and embellished beyond that primary self-evident truth, thru philosophy and theology. Why were we created? etc.
but the secondary self-evident truth is that existence IS a duality in permanent accord. as i cited examples above, life/death, pain/pleasure, etc. no one can deny that unless theyre dumb. its patently obvious.
its all the hot air of Intelligentsia over the centuries complicating, embellishing, and deliberately misappropriating.
constantine ripped off the gnostic religion, stole their boks, torched their books, slay all the gnostics, burned and destroyed their places of worship/gathering. he saw it as a fantastic belief system that could unite the people and herd them, easier to control, but it needed tweaking and thats where the NT stems from. romans ripping off gnostics and twisting things.
like is said in the OP of the Jesus thread, jesus character (virgin birth, crucifixion, raised from dead) is the same story told in religions that predate the era by hundreds/thousands of years, the same story passed down, taken from one culture and given a new name etc
No, sorry, the virgin birth as recorded in the Bible is widely regarded by scholars at every end of the Biblical spectrum to be unique to the Christian gospels, with no parallels in any other sources of any other texts at any point in history prior to Jesus. Similarly, there are today very few scholars who dispute the existence of a Jesus in Roman times, and even a Jesus that was crucified. Furthermore, the idea that dying-and-rising gods were common place in mythical/pagan texts has also been roundly criticised and mostly discredited, as the examples pointed to do not follow the same pattern as Jesus - either they don't die, or they don't rise, or they weren't gods to begin with, and so on.
Let me remind you why:
The study of Jesus in comparative mythology is the examination of the narratives of the life of Jesus in the Christian gospels, traditions and theology, as they relate to Christianity and other religions. Although virtually all New Testament scholars and historians of the ancient Near East agree that Jesus existed as a historical figure,[1][2][3][4][nb 1][nb 2][nb 3][nb 4][nb 5] most secular historians also agree that the gospels contain large quantities of ahistorical legendary details mixed in with historical information about Jesus's life.[10] The Synoptic Gospels of Mark, Matthew, and Luke are heavily shaped by Jewish tradition, with the Gospel of Matthew deliberately portraying Jesus as a "new Moses".[11] Although it is highly unlikely that the authors of the Synoptic Gospels directly based any of their stories on pagan mythology,[12] it is possible that they may have subtly shaped their accounts of Jesus's healing miracles to resemble familiar Greek stories about miracles associated with Asclepius, the god of healing and medicine.[13][14] The birth narratives of Matthew and Luke are usually seen by secular historians as legends designed to fulfill Jewish expectations about the Messiah.[15]
The Gospel of John bears indirect influences from Platonism, via earlier Jewish deuterocanonical texts, and may also have been influenced in less obvious ways by the cult of Dionysus, the Greek god of wine, though this possibility is still disputed.[16] Later Christian traditions about Jesus were probably influenced by Greco-Roman religion and mythology. Much of Jesus's traditional iconography is apparently derived from Mediterranean deities such as Hermes, Asclepius, Serapis, and Zeus and his traditional birthdate on 25 December, which was not declared as such until the fifth century, was at one point named a holiday in honor of the Roman sun god Sol Invictus. At around the same time Christianity was expanding in the second and third centuries, the Mithraic Cult was also flourishing. Though the relationship between the two religions is still under dispute, Christian apologists at the time noted similarities between them, which some scholars have taken as evidence of borrowing, but which are more likely a result of shared cultural environment. More general comparisons have also been made between the stories about Jesus's birth and resurrection and stories of other divine or heroic figures from across the Mediterranean world, including supposed "dying-and-rising gods" such as Tammuz, Adonis, Attis, and Osiris, while the concept of "dying-and-rising gods" has received criticism.
The Immaculate conception is a nonsense, concocted by Jerome, or one of the other Early Christian fathers, who had serious body-hatred issues.....The Madonna/ Whore complex writ-large right there, for all to see.....One of the true pathologies that inheres in the Christian mythos.
Jesus in comparative mythology - Wikipedia
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TISMs Get Thee In My Behind is a far better song. Lyrically too.'Get behind me Satan'!
No, im not saying this cause Im a Hawf supporter.
Its The White Stripes best album.
Im very glad a Yank can appreciate TISMTISMs Get Thee In My Behind is a far better song. Lyrically too.
the album Hot Dogma is arguably one of the greatest albums in music history.Im very glad a Yank can appreciate TISM