This weeks VFL

[ant555]

Re: Neagle injured

No.

Hird had injuries but was meticulous in his preparation and was always fit.

Neagle can be currently compared to our own Dean Rioli. I loved Dean as a player and Sheeds always stuck up for him but if he got himself fit and in fantastic shape he could have been a great player for us over 200 games.

I don't want to see the same thing happen with Neagle.

Hird had stress fractures in the foot but he was not over weight or unfit. The stress fractures are not solely limited by weight issues. You have NFI.
Hird also actually struggled in his first couple of seasons before he really got going with his preperation and form.
You are judging Neagle on one TV game and what you percive to be happening when you have got no idea of how his preperation has gone this season. Like i said before he is down 8kg in weight since last pre season and he has had the dedication so far this year.You simply have no idea of what has been going on becasue you have not seen anything other than one game ! Now he rolls his ankle and you are off making stupid statements without having even 20% of the facts.

Your comments on Rioli show just how ignorant you are. You simply have followed all the other garbage that has been said about him and made comment without knowing the full story behind it.
Yes Dean did have a couple of years where his preperation was not great and he didnt always do the right things but his last 5 years at the club he did all he could to get into condition but his knee was stuffed. He could never train hard enough becasue the his knee would blow up and it casued him lower hammy problems.It was from an old injury that was not treated properly before we drafted him.
In the last three years he was with us he had two or clear clean ups on his knee per season. It is virtually impossible for a naturally big guy to get fit if he can't train at anything greater than 70% pace.

 

[ant555]

Re: Neagle injured

Not a weight issue? Stress fractures are the result of stress on weight bearing bones. I can't see how it cannot be a factor even in a small way.

Its great that he's doing the work but he has to start playing full games. Its his third year and he is yet to string 5 games together. It looks as though he's in a never ending cycle of injured then unfit then injured again.

A lot of players have season long injuries and they don't come back looking like a bloated goldfish.

Seriously this this statement shows how little you know about whats going on. Maybe you should reserve making stupid statement's until you see someone in the flesh. I can tell you now there where no bloated goldfish at the club this year. Neagle is a solid kid. He is currently not fat. He is big in the shoulders and chest . He is not actually carrying much fat at all.
Maybe you should remember that you will never get the whole picture by just watching things on TV for a couple of hours

 

[Longy413]

Re: Neagle injured

Neagle can be currently compared to our own Dean Rioli. I loved Dean as a player and Sheeds always stuck up for him but if he got himself fit and in fantastic shape he could have been a great player for us over 200 games.

They're completely opposite.

Bit of background about Jay Neagle.

This kid hasn't/hadn't played a lot of footy before getting drafted.
When most kids hit the AFL system they've already spent 3-4 years in professional development squads, learning professional training techniques surrounded by professional structures.

Jay had none of that. He spent one year in the elite TAC Cup competition, but as a Gippsland player, he trained with the club once a week. On top of that, he was drafted as a 17 year old.

Dean Rioli's condition got worse the longer he was at the club. He was drafted late.

Jay was drafted early and his condition has only become better.

Dean Rioli is a fave of mine, but you're comparing apples and oranges.

Given where Jay has come from, he's anything but behind in his development. He's only four months older than Gumbleton.

 

[sameold]

I'm one that only sees the game on the tv and i would like to thank Ant and everybody who actually see the boys for their reports. Even more excited than usual this year. Go Dons

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: Neagle injured

Your comments on Rioli show just how ignorant you are. You simply have followed all the other garbage that has been said about him and made comment without knowing the full story behind it.
Yes Dean did have a couple of years where his preperation was not great and he didnt always do the right things but his last 5 years at the club he did all he could to get into condition but his knee was stuffed. He could never train hard enough becasue the his knee would blow up and it casued him lower hammy problems.It was from an old injury that was not treated properly before we drafted him.
In the last three years he was with us he had two or clear clean ups on his knee per season. It is virtually impossible for a naturally big guy to get fit if he can't train at anything greater than 70% pace.

Nuff said.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: Neagle injured

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Given where Jay has come from, he's anything but behind in his development. He's only four months older than Gumbleton.

Age is not a factor when you are 3 years into the AFL system.

I think he should be fitter and better than he currently is and I'm not going to accept his condition or excuses at the moment.

Over and out on this one.

 

[ant555]

Re: Neagle injured

Age is not a factor when you are 3 years into the AFL system.

I think he should be fitter and better than he currently is and I'm not going to accept his condition or excuses at the moment.
Over and out on this one.

His current fit position that is or maybe you want him to be midfield fit and weighing in at 85kg rather than 95kg or so
Are you stupid or something. How many times do you have to be told that he is currently in pretty good shape.

 

[Longy413]

Re: Neagle injured

Age is not a factor when you are 3 years into the AFL system.

I think he should be fitter and better than he currently is and I'm not going to accept his condition or excuses at the moment.

Over and out on this one.

1) He's not three years in, he's two. He's into his third year.
2) Age is the only factor when it comes to physical development.
3) His fitness has consistently improved since he arrived at the club.
4) They aren't excuses, they are reasons.
5) He's not injured. He'll play this week.

 

[bossco]

Re: Neagle injured

Age is not a factor when you are 3 years into the AFL system.

I think he should be fitter and better than he currently is and I'm not going to accept his condition or excuses at the moment.

Over and out on this one.

Age is not a factor in development? Then what the bloody hell is?
Injuries caused by being overweight are soft tissue injuries and lower back problems. I can't believe you think stress fractures and rolled ankles are caused by being overweight. That is simply wrong. And you don't have to accept his excuses because he's not making any.

 

[Doug Tassell]

Kelvin go home

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Are all you people sheep?

Can you actually kick start your brains to think a little.

Being overweight is not a risk factor for stress fractures? Laughable.

http://www.upmc.com/HealthManagement/ManagingYourHealth/HealthReference/Diseases/?chunkiid=11532

He is currently fit position? Even funnier.

He's currently got more puppy fat than the fat kid from Hey Dad!

Maybe you guys should do more schooling and suck less piss.

The facts remain that he is not fit enough to play AFL and won't be until midway through his third season granted he makes it that far without getting a stitch.

 

[bossco]

Photo taken 18 Feb 2008. wow you're right Kelvin, i apologise. He really is fat as a house and looks in no condition to play football. Maybe better off to see if he can get a spot on the Biggest Loser. You dill.

 

[monty1104]

Are all you people sheep?

Can you actually kick start your brains to think a little.

Being overweight is not a risk factor for stress fractures? Laughable.

http://www.upmc.com/HealthManagement/ManagingYourHealth/HealthReference/Diseases/?chunkiid=11532

He is currently fit position? Even funnier.

He's currently got more puppy fat than the fat kid from Hey Dad!

Maybe you guys should do more schooling and suck less piss.

The facts remain that he is not fit enough to play AFL and won't be until midway through his third season granted he makes it that far without getting a stitch.

Being overweight is the 2nd last factor on that list. It is not the only thing that affects stress fractures. In fact, it is one of the lowest "risk factors" when concerning stress fractures. People who are not overweight get stress fractures, ie. Hirdy. And there are overweight people that dont get stress fractures.

All you are doing Kelvin is trying to draw conclusions from thin air by matching up a cause to a symptom just to suit your arguement. You are a tool.

 

[Big Blow Hard]

Photo taken 18 Feb 2008. wow you're right Kelvin, i apologise. He really is fat as a house and looks in no condition to play football. Maybe better off to see if he can get a spot on the Biggest Loser. You dill.

Damn, lookout Austin Powers, It's the new Fat Bastard!!!

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Being overweight is the 2nd last factor on that list. It is not the only thing that affects stress fractures. In fact, it is one of the lowest "risk factors" when concerning stress fractures. People who are not overweight get stress fractures, ie. Hirdy. And there are overweight people that dont get stress fractures.

All you are doing Kelvin is trying to draw conclusions from thin air by matching up a cause to a symptom just to suit your arguement. You are a tool.

Are you seriously brain dead?

A risk factor is something that increases your chance of getting a disease or condition. It's not the be all and end all and that list was not weighted, pardon the pun .

Going on your theory it's ok to smoke given that people can develop cancer without smoking.

FFS man!

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Photo taken 18 Feb 2008. wow you're right Kelvin, i apologise. He really is fat as a house and looks in no condition to play football. Maybe better off to see if he can get a spot on the Biggest Loser. You dill.

So skinny he disappeared into thin air.

 

[ant555]

Are all you people sheep?

Can you actually kick start your brains to think a little.

Being overweight is not a risk factor for stress fractures? Laughable.

http://www.upmc.com/HealthManagement/ManagingYourHealth/HealthReference/Diseases/?chunkiid=11532

He is currently fit position? Even funnier.

He's currently got more puppy fat than the fat kid from Hey Dad!

Maybe you guys should do more schooling and suck less piss.

The facts remain that he is not fit enough to play AFL and won't be until midway through his third season granted he makes it that far without getting a stitch.

Congratulations Kelvin you have completely shot down your own argument.
There are a number of cause's of stress fracture's in the article you linked .

Maybe you should take a look at the current photo's or listen to someone who has seen him at training . Maybe it is you who should stop sucking so much piss and pull your head out of your arse.
Most normal people know you cant be an expert by simply watching a few games on TV
The facts are you simply have NFI about the situation and once again have come to some stupid conclusion based on your dilusional visions of being an arm chair expert.

 

[Burzum]

Doesn't look all that fat to me

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Congratulations Kelvin you have completely shot down your own argument.
There are a number of cause's of stress fracture's in the article you linked .

Maybe you should take a look at the current photo's or listen to someone who has seen him at training . Maybe it is you who should stop sucking so much piss and pull your head out of your arse.
Most normal people know you cant be an expert by simply watching a few games on TV
The facts are you simply have NFI about the situation and once again have come to some stupid conclusion based on your dilusional visions of being an arm chair expert.

Correctamundo - there are plenty of causes and if you are perennially injured then you have to minimize the risk factors.

I can only go on the amount of times I've seen him over the past few years and he has always looked out of shape for mine.

He has that thick set body shape that if he gets right he will monster a lot of opponents. He also has the disadvantage of losing shape quite quickly when inactive due to injury.

The facts remain that he is currently not fit enough to play a full game and hes yet to string a few games together in 2 and a bit seasons.

I just don't want to be having this discussion in two years time when he goes out there kicks a bag then misses half the season.

 

[lamaros]

Get over it. You're just being a dick for the sake of it now.

No one is saying he's at peak physical shape or full fitness, of course there's room to improve. But given the situation he is in there is no reason to have such a go at him.

 

[goal kicking wingman]

Get over it. You're just being a dick for the sake of it now.

No one is saying he's at peak physical shape or full fitness, of course there's room to improve. But given the situation he is in there is no reason to have such a go at him.

Does anyone know how andrew Lee went in last weeks practice game im worried he may be another trade dud.

 

[ant555]

Correctamundo - there are plenty of causes and if you are perennially injured then you have to minimize the risk factors.

I can only go on the amount of times I've seen him over the past few years and he has always looked out of shape for mine.

He has that thick set body shape that if he gets right he will monster a lot of opponents. He also has the disadvantage of losing shape quite quickly when inactive due to injury.

The facts remain that he is currently not fit enough to play a full game and hes yet to string a few games together in 2 and a bit seasons.

I just don't want to be having this discussion in two years time when he goes out there kicks a bag then misses half the season.

You keep saying he currently isnt fit enough and has to string games together but he has been so far this year. He has played the last three weeks and apart from rolling an ankle (which will be ok) the has been no injury problems that are related to fitness issues.
I would say it is more likly that the foot problems are related to him only having one year at TAC Cup level . The increased work load as far as training goes would have put most of the pressure on becasue he didnt have the build up that other kids have had through juniors at elite level.
He currently is not out of shape and is not unfit. If he gets injured now it won't be becasue of being in poor condition. He may well be just an injury prone player. You keep crapping on about him not being able to string games together but it is totaly irrelevant to his current condition. In his first year he struggled becasue he was not in condition. Last year he came back in better condition but with some work to do. This year he has been fine. You have gone of with a half baked theory based on the past when he is already well down the road you wan't him to be on.
When you look at the picture's do you see puppy fat on him? Does he look unfit ? The answer is no.

 

[ant555]

Does anyone know how andrew Lee went in last weeks practice game im worried he may be another trade dud.

Not sure how he cn be a trade dud.
I don't think he will make it so he will go down on a long list of project talls that where drafted but never made the grade.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

ant55,

Seeing you go to training and know all the ins and outs do you think Neagle can play a full AFL game at the moment?

Who is fitter at the moment Neagle of Johns?

 

[hulld]

johns by a mile. one thing CJ has got going for him is that he is quite trim at the moment