Thompson on dangerous driving charge

[Southerntakeover]

What exactly has Bernard Vince done? Put in good performances in an extremely strong Eagles team, well what an achievement that is! How’s he done at the top level, averages of 8.7 possessions and a total of 2 goals for a forward. Gee, the future is bright down at West Lakes. How about Richard, the coaches undisputed favourite, apart from a 7 goal game and a few good showings in the midfield for Glenelg what’s he shown? Anyone with sense would realise he’s struggled mightily at the top level.

You really have no idea, do you?

Both of them have far better SANFL showings than Pfeiffer. Both have shown they can dominate a game at that level. Judging them on their AFL form is at best ignorant, and at worst moronic. They're both midfielders who have been played out of position, and with restricted game time. You obviously dont watch much of the Crows if you dont realize that is how we blood youngsters. van Berlo averaged 7 possessions for his first 11 games, are you suggesting that is a negative reflection on his potential or ability?

Meanwhile, neither has had to be sent to their SANFL club for a bad attitude.

 

[ICanDressMyself]

Got to love how Neil Craig and his men are accepting mediocrity now

No one is forcing you to keep supporting the AFC Drummond.

How’s he done at the top level? averages of 8.7 possessions and a total of 2 goals for a forward.

Much better than Pfieffer sitting on 0 games, 0 posessions and 0 goals.

Gee, the future is bright down at West Lakes.

Well Daz might be heading to richmond so bugger off and go support them if all you're gonna do is whinge and bag our tremendous footy club.

 

[hey shorty]

What exactly has Bernard Vince done? Put in good performances in an extremely strong Eagles team, well what an achievement that is! How’s he done at the top level, averages of 8.7 possessions and a total of 2 goals for a forward. Gee, the future is bright down at West Lakes. How about Richard, the coaches undisputed favourite, apart from a 7 goal game and a few good showings in the midfield for Glenelg what’s he shown? Anyone with sense would realise he’s struggled mightily at the top level.

Its a great deal harder to stand out in a great team than it is to be good in a crap one Drummond. I bet both of these guys are greatly welcomed at their respective SANFL clubs when I can guarentee you Darren is not.

 

[Drummond]

You really have no idea, do you?

Both of them have far better SANFL showings than Pfeiffer. Both have shown they can dominate a game at that level. Judging them on their AFL form is at best ignorant, and at worst moronic. They're both midfielders who have been played out of position, and with restricted game time. You obviously dont watch much of the Crows if you dont realize that is how we blood youngsters. van Berlo averaged 7 possessions for his first 11 games, are you suggesting that is a negative reflection on his potential or ability?

Meanwhile, neither has had to be sent to their SANFL club for a bad attitude.

Hang on a sec, didn't VB virtually double his possession average in his second year and become a permanent member of the side? Did Douglas and Vince do the same? No they did not. I love the constant argument about how they can dominate a game at that level. I seriously fail to understand your logic in what constitutes dominating a game. Go purchase a copy of the Glenelg v Norwood game, Pfeiffer dominated in a losing team. Go look at his performance the following week v South, the week after v the Eagles. See you didn’t see these matches; all you do is look at the stats. Playing from the half back flank Pfeiffer dominated, was awarded Norwood’s best and given Magarey votes. If that’s not dominating a game then I don’t know what it. You seemingly have differing standards, what’s good for one is not good for the other.

Its a great deal harder to stand out in a great team than it is to be good in a crap one Drummond. I bet both of these guys are greatly welcomed at their respective SANFL clubs when I can guarentee you Darren is not.

On both counts…

You cannot be serious!?

You really think it’s harder to stand out in a great team that a bad one? So when Pfeiffer had to play three positions in one afternoon because we needed him to plug holes, he should stand out more than if he could just settle into the back flank for a good team?

 

[ICanDressMyself]

Did Douglas and Vince do the same? No they did not.

They've still actually debuted Drummond!! Doulgas > Jericho > Vince >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pfeiffer. Live with it.

all you do is look at the stats

And all you do is attend SANFL games and talk about how good he is. Again, you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes so you have no right to be pissed off at the AFC just because your love child was delisted.

 

[Gets!]

Pfeiffer is a dud.

 

[hey shorty]

On both counts…

You cannot be serious!?

You really think it’s harder to stand out in a great team that a bad one? So when Pfeiffer had to play three positions in one afternoon because we needed him to plug holes, he should stand out more than if he could just settle into the back flank for a good team?

Of course its harder. When your side is full of useless individuals like Norwoods is, you only have to be half reasonable to make the best. When youre playing for the Eagles as an example you are surrounded by good players, yet youre still at the top of them...... you decide how hard it is.

And I can assure you Darren is not well liked amongst several redleg players.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Hang on a sec, didn't VB virtually double his possession average in his second year and become a permanent member of the side? Did Douglas and Vince do the same? No they did not. I love the constant argument about how they can dominate a game at that level. I seriously fail to understand your logic in what constitutes dominating a game. Go purchase a copy of the Glenelg v Norwood game, Pfeiffer dominated in a losing team. Go look at his performance the following week v South, the week after v the Eagles. See you didn’t see these matches; all you do is look at the stats. Playing from the half back flank Pfeiffer dominated, was awarded Norwood’s best and given Magarey votes. If that’s not dominating a game then I don’t know what it. You seemingly have differing standards, what’s good for one is not good for the other.

Yes, but you have to take into account the fact that van Berlo played an amount of games in his first season comparable to the second season of most of our other players (including Knights), he was an exceptional case. AFL experience is crucial, if you want to compare the players, Douglas and Vince are currently at the stage of their development that van Berlo was at the end of 05. The point is, its foolish to look at the first 10 or so games of a players career, and suggest they are failing because the stats arent impressive. If you get to the end of this season, and neither has improved, then itd be cause for worry, but really, trying to draw mass conclusions at this stage of their career based on their AFL stats is foolish.

Purchase a copy of Glenelg vs Norwood so i can analyse the performance of someone not even on our list anymore? Good one. What do i mean by dominate? Im talking about potential match winning performances. Douglas's 7 goals was a domination. He was the reason why his team won that day. Your talk about Pfeiffer being awarded Norwoods best... big deal. The best of a pathetic bunch. I wanted him to be best on field. How many times was be best on field when looking at both teams? How many votes did he get in the Mag Medal full stop? It wasnt all that many for someone who played close to a full season in the SANFL.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Cant believe Douglas is copping shit, F@#@ me

 

[Drummond]

Of course its harder. When your side is full of useless individuals like Norwoods is, you only have to be half reasonable to make the best. When youre playing for the Eagles as an example you are surrounded by good players, yet youre still at the top of them...... you decide how hard it is.

And I can assure you Darren is not well liked amongst several redleg players.

How the heck is it harder? Why do you think every single Central Districts recruit looks like a million dollars? It’s because they are surrounded by so many good players and they bring an individuals level up and allows them to be noticed. Take Charles Slattery for example, crossed over from West Adelaide to the Dogs this season and went from a fringe player at the Bloods to a quality, consistent SANFL performer. How do you explain that? He was surrounded by quality players, wasn’t being tagged, could blend in and it gave him the perfect opportunity to look good.

A Norwood official told me that they would’ve liked Pfeiffer to play at half back, but with so many holes needing to be plugged they simply had to have him change position almost every quarter. You think that’s good for him? Playing on a pathetic team like the Norwood one of recent years may allow you to stand out every now and then, but it’s a lot harder than playing on a good team.

 

[Drummond]

Yes, but you have to take into account the fact that van Berlo played an amount of games in his first season comparable to the second season of most of our other players (including Knights), he was an exceptional case. AFL experience is crucial, if you want to compare the players, Douglas and Vince are currently at the stage of their development that van Berlo was at the end of 05. The point is, its foolish to look at the first 10 or so games of a players career, and suggest they are failing because the stats arent impressive. If you get to the end of this season, and neither has improved, then itd be cause for worry, but really, trying to draw mass conclusions at this stage of their career based on their AFL stats is foolish.

Purchase a copy of Glenelg vs Norwood so i can analyse the performance of someone not even on our list anymore? Good one. What do i mean by dominate? Im talking about potential match winning performances. Douglas's 7 goals was a domination. He was the reason why his team won that day. Your talk about Pfeiffer being awarded Norwoods best... big deal. The best of a pathetic bunch. I wanted him to be best on field. How many times was be best on field when looking at both teams? How many votes did he get in the Mag Medal full stop? It wasnt all that many for someone who played close to a full season in the SANFL.

Completely ignore the stats of Douglas and Vince if you wish. But watching Douglas constantly slip over, handball to teammates and putting them under pressure, failing to make tackles slip, all of these things haven’t instilled me with confidence. Douglas’ 7 goals was domination, no disputing that, but let’s not forget the night he was thrashed by Matthew Brunoli who restricted him to a mere 9 possessions. I wonder what this could be put down to?

Here we go again with your “domination” theory, it’s really comical. How many times have we gone round and round in circles because you're inept in arguments? I mean listen to your reasoning, “the best of a pathetic bunch”. I really don’t know what anyone could say to this because it’s the stuff of a handicapped 5 year old. He was named Norwood’s best, given votes by the umpires in a losing display, what more should he do? Oh that’s right, DOMINATE! I would’ve thought that was, but not in your mind.

Let’s not forget this stretch of football was after he suffered glandular fever, and to think he was at his best physically is naive. Late in the game against the Eagles he looked spent, probably because it wasn’t long after his layoff and he was the only Redleg who seemingly turned up. He ran himself into the ground, but the Crows thought him partaking in a few drinks made him a lost cause.

 

[hey shorty]

Yes they do look better ill grant you that but its still the same players at the top. Slattery was in the best for Westies when he was there but he crossed over to gain an opportunity to play finals footy. Lets say Darren did that (although we wouldnt be having this discussion due to the fact he would no longer play for Norwood) He would probably improve as a player but he wouldnt break into their top 5, not even top 10. To say hes in the top 5 at Norwood, fair enough, but how much does that say about him ?? Not a great deal. He has yet to take a game apart at SANFL level despite what you think, Douglas and Vince has continued to do so over a period of time.

BTW I thought you said you are finding it harder to post here..... why havent you gone away and pledged alligence to another club if you dont like the way we run ours ??

 

[BlackDouglas]

What a two faced football club this is. Scott Thompson has been charged with dangerous driving and all Jon Reid can say is that Scott is remorseful for his actions. Good to see there are different penalties for different players.

Goodwin threatens reporters, Thompson causes an accident due to negligent driving, Pfeiffer likes a drink. Do the crime; do the time, obviously not applicable at the AFC.

Ok whoever is holding the gun to Drummond head and making him support the AFC please take it away.

STFU and stop support this football club if it that ****ing bad.

 

[Stiffy_18]

What a two faced football club this is. Scott Thompson has been charged with dangerous driving and all Jon Reid can say is that Scott is remorseful for his actions. Good to see there are different penalties for different players.

Goodwin threatens reporters, Thompson causes an accident due to negligent driving, Pfeiffer likes a drink. Do the crime; do the time, obviously not applicable at the AFC.

****! You are a whinging ****!

 

[- PC -]

2 points. Why are we wasting energy talking about a player no longer on our list?

And why arent we talking about Thompson?

 

[jarmanagic]

This is why I'm finding it harder to post on this site, because of ignorant comments like these.

Severe attitude problem? Here we go again. I know you hate him; you've made stupid baseless comments about him many times now.


More pure ignorance.

He finished 5th in the forum player of the year but I’m not sure where he finished in the Legs B&F. Keep in mind he only played 13 games. You see guys who don’t regularly watch the SANFL, and I’m including you in that, don’t really have the right to comment on his impact in the SANFL because let’s face it, how many times did you see him play? What are you basing it on, inaccurate stats from the Sunday Mail? He played in a terrible team where he had to switch positions basically every week and when he finally did get settled in one position he played brilliant football.

settle down. Personal attack when someone disagrees with you cant be the right approach. I saw about 12 Norwood games this year and I reckon Pfeffier play about 9 times. You? Like Meesen I was desperate to see a high draft pick do well. Meesen's attitude was half hearted (compare to effort of Massie for Norwood, why 1 bloke with minimal talent will play over 100 AFL games and a super talent wont play 50)

5th on the Norwood forum POY?????? Come on, you probably voted 20 times each week

If Richmond pick him up we will see. I'd conceded he might mature but I'd argue strongly that his Norwood performance were not outstanding. Lower going much better but cant get a game for Port

 

[Southerntakeover]

Completely ignore the stats of Douglas and Vince if you wish. But watching Douglas constantly slip over, handball to teammates and putting them under pressure, failing to make tackles slip, all of these things haven’t instilled me with confidence. Douglas’ 7 goals was domination, no disputing that, but let’s not forget the night he was thrashed by Matthew Brunoli who restricted him to a mere 9 possessions. I wonder what this could be put down to?

Here we go again with your “domination” theory, it’s really comical. How many times have we gone round and round in circles because you're inept in arguments? I mean listen to your reasoning, “the best of a pathetic bunch”. I really don’t know what anyone could say to this because it’s the stuff of a handicapped 5 year old. He was named Norwood’s best, given votes by the umpires in a losing display, what more should he do? Oh that’s right, DOMINATE! I would’ve thought that was, but not in your mind.

Let’s not forget this stretch of football was after he suffered glandular fever, and to think he was at his best physically is naive. Late in the game against the Eagles he looked spent, probably because it wasn’t long after his layoff and he was the only Redleg who seemingly turned up. He ran himself into the ground, but the Crows thought him partaking in a few drinks made him a lost cause.

Hold on, im inept? Ive argued you to checkmate and back 100 times over. All you do when you lose is start crying about how you're a victim you tosspot. You are less than useless.

Who gives a crap if you dont have confidence in him? You dont actually watch live anything to do with the Crows. You are the least credible bugger on this site. First of all, you've failed to grasp this simple point. Players improve with AFL experience. If Douglas' AFL performances arent great at the moment, thats fine. He's played very few AFL games. Whats more important right now is that he has a good attitude. He works hard. He has all of the natural talent to make it, and hes not wasting it, unlike the other useless pricks that you back to the hilt. If the worst game that you could find was 9 possessions, im laughing. Everyone has a few stinkers. The fact is, his form in the SANFL was very good. When he was there, Glenelg won, when he wasnt they struggled, this is no coinicidence. Douglas is better than Pfeiffer by so much its not ****ing funny.

As for you talking about comical, you know whats really funny? Your inability to understand basic ****ing logic. Pfeiffer being the best in a losing team < Pfieffer being the best on ground. The best player on the ground is impressive. The best player in the losing team? That doesnt mean jackshit. Hell, you're the best poster in a losing arguement frequently, does it mean you know your ass from your ear? Nope. You've proven that often enough.

Answer me though, how many mag medal votes did the hack get? How does that compare to players like Douglas you bag?

 

[Mego Red]

Hold on, im inept? Ive argued you to checkmate and back 100 times over. All you do when you lose is start crying about how you're a victim you tosspot. You are less than useless.

The best player in the losing team? That doesnt mean jackshit. Hell, you're the best poster in a losing arguement frequently, does it mean you know your ass from your ear? Nope. You've proven that often enough.

Oh, AWESOME. That is complete pwnage. Drummond makes me laugh - well, for someone who has become a Port supporter, anyway - but they are some home run insults ...

 

[Drummond]

Hold on, im inept? Ive argued you to checkmate and back 100 times over. All you do when you lose is start crying about how you're a victim you tosspot. You are less than useless.

Serious? Well you must certainly be awfully proud of your training argument.

Who gives a crap if you dont have confidence in him? You dont actually watch live anything to do with the Crows.

Yeh I guess going over to Melbourne to see the Crows play the Hawks in the Final was just one realistic dream!

First of all, you've failed to grasp this simple point. Players improve with AFL experience. If Douglas' AFL performances arent great at the moment, thats fine. He's played very few AFL games. Whats more important right now is that he has a good attitude. He works hard. He has all of the natural talent to make it, and hes not wasting it, unlike the other useless pricks that you back to the hilt. If the worst game that you could find was 9 possessions, im laughing. Everyone has a few stinkers. The fact is, his form in the SANFL was very good. When he was there, Glenelg won, when he wasnt they struggled, this is no coinicidence. Douglas is better than Pfeiffer by so much its not ****ing funny.

We’ll see about that. Pfeiffer ticks more boxes than Ricky Craig ever will.

As for you talking about comical, you know whats really funny? Your inability to understand basic ****ing logic. Pfeiffer being the best in a losing team < Pfieffer being the best on ground. The best player on the ground is impressive. The best player in the losing team? That doesnt mean jackshit. Hell, you're the best poster in a losing arguement frequently, does it mean you know your ass from your ear? Nope. You've proven that often enough.

Answer me though, how many mag medal votes did the hack get? How does that compare to players like Douglas you bag?

Ah good old ST, the main who changes all the rules just to suit his argument. So being named the best player in a losing team means nothing? Well why then do players from losing teams get Brownlow medal votes? Why do we bother with POTY votes when we lose? What an unbeliavebly ridiculous, mind numbingly stupid argument by a poster I wouldn’t expect anything less from.

Answer me though, how many mag medal votes did the hack get? How does that compare to players like Douglas you bag?

Douglas 5, Pfeiffer 2.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Serious? Well you must certainly be awfully proud of your training argument.

Everyone with atleast half a brain understands that training performance is relevant to how a professional footballer is judged. It only follows logically that you cannot.

Yeh I guess going over to Melbourne to see the Crows play the Hawks in the Final was just one realistic dream!

Yeah, im an arseh*le for putting up my money to support my team, whether they won or not. Do me a favour, admit you arent really a crows. No real fan would try to taunt another based upon their teams finals loss, you weak fool.

We’ll see about that. Pfeiffer ticks more boxes than Ricky Craig ever will.

One is AFL listed, one isnt.

Ah good old ST, the main who changes all the rules just to suit his argument. So being named the best player in a losing team means nothing? Well why then do players from losing teams get Brownlow medal votes? Why do we bother with POTY votes when we lose? What an unbeliavebly ridiculous, mind numbingly stupid argument by a poster I wouldn’t expect anything less from.

Douglas 5, Pfeiffer 2.

Good god almighty you are thick. You make less sense than a prostitute arguing for abstinence.

Being the best player for a losing team is not impressive in itself.

Players get brownlow votes on a losing team when they are considered to be in the best players 3 on the ground, not when they are considered to be the best of the losing team.

Best and fairest, and POTY awards are not measures of who the best on field are. They are measures of who the best from one club are. I can understand why you get confused on this issue, since you only ever manage to consider one club in your opinions, but dont expect the rest of us to accept this.

Haha, Douglas got twice as many votes, in less games. So Pfeiffer polled in one game, right? Brilliant.

 

[fightingdreamer88]

Douglas and Vince are both better than Darren Flopffer aren't they Craigy?

Craig: Yep. *delists Flopffer*

 

[Mego Red]

Douglas and Vince are both better than Darren Flopffer aren't they Craigy?

Craig: Yep. *delists Flopffer*

Look, this is an argument with Drummond no-one should WANT to win. We gain nothing by delisting a first-round draft pick after two-years - obviously it wasn't an enormously smart decision. Doesn't mean we have to carry on like pork chops about it, but still - probably better just moving on.

 

[jarmanagic]

Drummond is right about 1 thing, Pfeffier has talent, no doubt. Thus i can only imagine there were many more problems witrh attitude/behaviour than we know of. I dont think many (any?) regard Neil Craig as an idiot. He might mature if Richmond pick him up, or Jay Schulz might take him under his wing and finish his career off

Simply we made another top 20 draft mistake, attiutde the problem yet again. Poor judgement. we need to do better

 

[Drummond]

Everyone with atleast half a brain understands that training performance is relevant to how a professional footballer is judged. It only follows logically that you cannot.

Of course it's relevant, but the way you carry on you would assume it's more important than how a player performs on game day.

Yeah, im an arseh*le for putting up my money to support my team, whether they won or not. Do me a favour, admit you arent really a crows. No real fan would try to taunt another based upon their teams finals loss, you weak fool.

I was actually there so that was a waste of time...

One is AFL listed, one isnt.

You've only got a few more weeks to say this.

Good god almighty you are thick. You make less sense than a prostitute arguing for abstinence.

Being the best player for a losing team is not impressive in itself.

Players get brownlow votes on a losing team when they are considered to be in the best players 3 on the ground, not when they are considered to be the best of the losing team.

Best and fairest, and POTY awards are not measures of who the best on field are. They are measures of who the best from one club are. I can understand why you get confused on this issue, since you only ever manage to consider one club in your opinions, but dont expect the rest of us to accept this.

Haha, Douglas got twice as many votes, in less games. So Pfeiffer polled in one game, right? Brilliant.

Oh boy, I thought you might have made a typo in the heat of the moment but here you are repeating the stupidity. I mean seriously, being the best player in a losing team is not impressive? Where do you come up with this trash? Why then do they bother to publish a best players list when we lose? Better give the Advertiser a call, followed by the Herald Sun, and all the other media outlets and tell them to cancel the best players in a losing team, because hey, it's completely worthless information.

 

[hey shorty]

Oh boy, I thought you might have made a typo in the heat of the moment but here you are repeating the stupidity. I mean seriously, being the best player in a losing team is not impressive? Where do you come up with this trash? Why then do they bother to publish a best players list when we lose? Better give the Advertiser a call, followed by the Herald Sun, and all the other media outlets and tell them to cancel the best players in a losing team, because hey, it's completely worthless information.

There was still a best player list after the Norwood V Centrals game earlier in the year. Tell me how anybody deserved to be on it after losing by 30 goals. My local team lost by an average of 35 goals during the season, yet we still put in a best player list. Its not impressive Drummond, how can you possibly think it is. We'll see how good he is next year when hes playing in a relatively good Coburg team, assuming he does get drafted there.

I do agree with you, the guy has talent, but dont you realise it only gets you so far ?? His attitude was pathetic and only now hes been dropped does he start acting like a decent human being.

But congratulations, once again youve turned a completely normal thread into 1 about a Norwood player.