Opinion Thoughts on Dawes' Dees Interview

[Obese Arachnid]

Maybe they intend to use his aerobic capacity more, less opportunity to drop overhead marks.

Sorry Chris, I didn't feel dirty about bagging Wood but this does a little.

 

[PepperFace]

Good luck to him at Melbourne (except against us). Always going to be a Premiership player for us

 

[soreplums]

Can see him playin from the goal line all the way up to the wing at Melbourne. They'll use his run as a second chf or as a chf an watts back to a third forward

 

[TradeDraft]

Looks like he has lost a stack of weight ...

Sure looks like that and Must be getting Fitter

 

[PieLebo87]

Black has always been slimming.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Dawes does look much skinnier. Good idea slimming down for more mobility. Given a roaming role he could run himself into good form. I still feel for the guy and he deserves respect for the way he has conducted himself. I don't buy the line that Dawes wimped out of Collingwood because he thought he could not compete with Lynch. I am sure he felt a bit humiliated by his 2012 performance and was well aware of the negative attitudes towards him from supporters. He probably largely blames himself for his predicament. A move to another club gives him a chance of re-establishing his game. Good luck to him because he is a decent person. He just needs to sort his game out, beginning with the area between the ears.

 

[Cory]

All class,great bloke and hope he does well at the dees.

Will miss you mate.

 

[lozza63]

I'm yet to be of the opinion that Lynch Paine or Gault will be any better for us than what Dawes produced.
In my opinion in 2012 he was asked to fulfil a role he wasnt ever cut out for which really affected his output and more importantly his confidence - i fear we could be rueing his loss in the mid term(3-5yrs).
In a straight comparison with Q - i would always back the younger man.
Pick 20 from Melb - Broomhead - who knows how that will eventuate - certainly cant see the young man impacting our footy club to any great lengths in the next 2-3 years - appears very slight atm. My wish list would have been for a strong bodied mid with a view to having replacement for Ball in the future.

Really I wanted to retain Dawesy - giving the Q the challenge to beat him for a spot in the team giving us key depth - injury cover. As it is we'll be on tenter hooks that Trav continues with his durability and that Jolls can be nicely managed. As it is we barely have depth in the backs now that Taz has left and Keeffe will need time to properly recover.

I believe we will be facing a massive experience chasm with our second KPP forward and 1st ruck by the time 2015 rolls around - with Jolls and Lynch likely gone/reduced with Witts Grundy and Paine still under 50 games and highly unlikely to be able to fill the void.

Sure the club knows this better than me - but really to be relying on FA for 2 suitable replacements is rather dicey imo.

 

[Markfs]

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Well reading between the Lines what Dawesy said there was more then Just getting Lynch that Drove him from the Club. Though IF Cloke did leave I reckon Dawes would say.​

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I think Bucks and Dawes did not see Eye to Eye, Also heard Whispers that the Coaches lost Confidence in him. Sounds like they are Backing Gault and Paine more than Dawes.​

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I think getting Lynch was the Last Straw, Because Bucks said he has someone who can played 2nd Tall and in the Ruck which Dawes could not offer.​

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I also think Dawes and Neeld get along well as they are both Well Educated Men.​

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Your Thoughts?​

My thoughts? well lets have a look at your post....

"Well reading between the Lines what Dawesy said there was more then Just getting Lynch that Drove him from the Club. Though IF Cloke did leave I reckon Dawes would say."

There's no need to read between the lines. Dawes actually said it. He said that he wasnt playing enough stand-out games and he thought the new environment would help him. I think thats a pretty reasonable statement and can be taken on face value.

"I think Bucks and Dawes did not see Eye to Eye, Also heard Whispers that the Coaches lost Confidence in him. Sounds like they are Backing Gault and Paine more than Dawes."

Personally, I dont think Dawes had a problem with Buckley. Like you Tradedraft, I have absolutely no evidence to support my point of view. It's just an opinion - like yours. Unless we can find some evidence I think our opinions mean nothing nothing much. Hearing whispers might mean something or might indicate the onset of mental illness....just kidding...but 90% of the forum had lost confidence in Dawes. It wouldnt be surprising if the coaches were wondering if he could manage the two part-time jobs. The fact that they went for Lynch is an indication that they were looking for options. As for sounding like they were backing gault and paine, I never heard anything like that.

"I think getting Lynch was the Last Straw, Because Bucks said he has someone who can played 2nd Tall and in the Ruck which Dawes could not offer."​

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In fact, I thought that the Pies going for Lynch was the first straw. I dont think Dawes had any intention to leave until he heard about Lynch coming to the Pies. Also, I dont think Buckey ever said that Dawes couldnt do the dual role, but Bucks was looking for other options.​

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"I also think Dawes and Neeld get along well as they are both Well Educated Men."​

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I mean, are you kidding? Mark Neeld coached Ocean Grove to 4 premierships in a row a few years ago. I dont think there are many Rhodes Scholars down at the beach. And if young Dawes can only talk to educated men, then he better not become a lawyer because he will be dealing with pack of uneducated thieves and murderers during his working life.​

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If you want the real reason why Dawes wanted to go to Melbourne it was because Neeld never made fun of his lisp..... thats it....spread it wide but dont use my name. Say you heard a few whispers or the word has got around etc etc.​

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In the final analysis, the guy has left and unless someone has spoken to Chris and heard something new about the subject, then it doesnt really matter...​

 

[rand corp]

I would say that when he and Bucks had the much covered ' talk', Bucks has basically told it to him straight up.
I'm assuming along the lines of can't mark, can't kick not guaranteed a regular slot. Dawes has then decided to walk.
My opinion is that if Bucks pointed out these things then he was correct to do so and its up to Dawes to prove us wrong.

 

[Knightmare]

The choice was always there for Dawes to stay being a contracted player but we introduced Lynch specifically to play that no.2 ruck position in the immediate deeming Dawes not good enough.

Then after that Buckley spoke to Dawes in short said "you're spot is not guaranteed" and spoke about a trade as a possible course of action with Dawes agreeing.




On Dawes at Melbourne. I think he will really struggle to find a position in this team long term. Mitch Clark is much better and early season proved a strong marking target, Cameron Pedersen is better (VFL form was excellent at VFL level and I think he'll have a big season) and Jesse Hogan has the chance to become a franchise quality key forward.
While his analysis of the situation was based on who was at the club at before trade week it's pretty clear with Pedersen and Hogan added that the Western Bulldogs would have been the far better destination with no high level key forwards with new addition Jake Stringer better suited as a midfielder.

 

[Markfs]

I still think all of this is done and dusted, but i managed to stumble on this at the top of my first and only search on the subject. I did it to remind myself that I havent lost my sanity and that my memory was still intact.

I wont bother interpreting the article. Its here if you're interested...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/dep...oks-for-new-home/story-fn69a32t-1226487027625

 

[Hva sher a]

The choice was always there for Dawes to stay being a contracted player but we introduced Lynch specifically to play that no.2 ruck position in the immediate deeming Dawes not good enough.

Then after that Buckley spoke to Dawes in short said "you're spot is not guaranteed" and spoke about a trade as a possible course of action with Dawes agreeing.




On Dawes at Melbourne. I think he will really struggle to find a position in this team long term. Mitch Clark is much better and early season proved a strong marking target, Cameron Pedersen is better (VFL form was excellent at VFL level and I think he'll have a big season) and Jesse Hogan has the chance to become a franchise quality key forward.
While his analysis of the situation was based on who was at the club at before trade week it's pretty clear with Pedersen and Hogan added that the Western Bulldogs would have been the far better destination with no high level key forwards with new addition Jake Stringer better suited as a midfielder.

Disagree - Dawes has always struck me as a good 2nd or even 3rd tall and going to the Bulldogs he would've been a prime KP target, something he is not suited to unlike Cloke. I actually think he might thrive in the 2nd banana/support KPF role and make that his own - I also don't think that Pederson is a long-termer anyway.

Sure. Dawes could've stayed with us but with the likes of Paine/Gault and now Grundy coming up there will be a logjam of taller forward types. Going to Melbourne allows him to rediscover what he was always good at ie being the support act to the prime tall forward. The Doggies haven't bottomed out yet and I think being the main man up forward would be something Dawes is not up to.

I hope he does well at the Dees - he was the sacrificial lamb by having to be the 2nd ruck and while it helped him keep his place, he never got the chance to rediscover his form in the twos.

 

[PepperFace]

I still think there is something we are all missing here. Why did Collingwood so easily let him go to Melbourne while he still had 2yrs remaining on his contract. If say Pendles came out in the media saying he wanted out or was looking around.....Eddie would have come out strong saying he is under a binding contract and not going anywhere.
So in the Dawes situation.....had out coaches totally lost faith in him and the offer from melbourne too good to refuse. Or was it based on Salary Cap relief. Im sure after 2010 and even 2011 pick 20 for Dawes would have been laughed at by our officials.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

So in the Dawes situation.....had out coaches totally lost faith in him and the offer from melbourne too good to refuse. Or was it based on Salary Cap relief. Im sure after 2010 and even 2011 pick 20 for Dawes would have been laughed at by our officials.

It was a bit of the two is my guess.

The club didnt force him out but they certainly didnt guarantee him a spot in our best 22 either.

 

[Knightmare]

Disagree - Dawes has always struck me as a good 2nd or even 3rd tall and going to the Bulldogs he would've been a prime KP target, something he is not suited to unlike Cloke. I actually think he might thrive in the 2nd banana/support KPF role and make that his own - I also don't think that Pederson is a long-termer anyway.

Sure. Dawes could've stayed with us but with the likes of Paine/Gault and now Grundy coming up there will be a logjam of taller forward types. Going to Melbourne allows him to rediscover what he was always good at ie being the support act to the prime tall forward. The Doggies haven't bottomed out yet and I think being the main man up forward would be something Dawes is not up to.

I hope he does well at the Dees - he was the sacrificial lamb by having to be the 2nd ruck and while it helped him keep his place, he never got the chance to rediscover his form in the twos.

I agree with you that Dawes is better as a secondary forward as opposed to a primary key forward - he's not that good where he can run a forwardline.

Pedersen having played little at AFL level has had little exposure but his play both at AFL level in 2011 and 2012 I found impressive. I see his likely role as that no.2 ruckman who plays as that secondary forward in a similar role to what Dawes played last year. He's more competitive through the ruck and a stronger mark up forward and probably even has a better tackling game. In my mind he is that more established, more developed forward despite playing less senior footy.

The other reason I see Pedersen ahead of Dawes is because he is better suited higher up the ground which fits better with Clark/Hogan who are both better suited as deep key forwards as that real marking presence.

Perhaps post Jamar, Clark moves into the ruck if Gawn continues to struggle with injury allowing Dawes that key forward position, but I don't share your optimism.

On the Dogs who would Dawes be behind? I don't see any key forward on their list better so unless they draft Thomas Boyd next year I don't see anyone displacing him in that best team, and even then he would still be ahead of Jones/Grant as that secondary forward with Roughead to become a key defender from next season.

 

[Hva sher a]

I agree with you that Dawes is better as a secondary forward as opposed to a primary key forward - he's not that good where he can run a forwardline.

Pedersen having played little at AFL level has had little exposure but his play both at AFL level in 2011 and 2012 I found impressive. I see his likely role as that no.2 ruckman who plays as that secondary forward in a similar role to what Dawes played last year. He's more competitive through the ruck and a stronger mark up forward and probably even has a better tackling game. In my mind he is that more established, more developed forward despite playing less senior footy.

The other reason I see Pedersen ahead of Dawes is because he is better suited higher up the ground which fits better with Clark/Hogan who are both better suited as deep key forwards as that real marking presence.

Perhaps post Jamar, Clark moves into the ruck if Gawn continues to struggle with injury allowing Dawes that key forward position, but I don't share your optimism.

On the Dogs who would Dawes be behind? I don't see any key forward on their list better so unless they draft Thomas Boyd next year I don't see anyone displacing him in that best team, and even then he would still be ahead of Jones/Grant as that secondary forward with Roughead to become a key defender from next season.

I don't see Dawes being behind anyone at the Dogs this year. But in 2013, he would be the primary forward which doesn't help his long-term future. Season 2013 is when Dawes needs to re-showcase what he can do and he can make the most impact as a 2nd forward to Clark.
Regardless of whether Pederson proves to be better in the future, Dawes will probably get first crack due to his Neeld connection and the fact that he is a premiership player.

I guess what I'm saying in a long-winded way is that 2013 is a make or break year for Dawes and his best chance is as a 2nd forward at the Dees rather than the primary target at the Doggies (or in the Collingwood reserves).

 

[Smoky]

Dawes in the Melbourne leadership group... Really?

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Dawes in the Melbourne leadership group... Really?

Why not?

 

[mattys123]

Why not?

I agree, why not, he's a premiership player after all, not too many of them floating around at Melbourne. Having said that I don't think he would have ever got into our leadership group, just shows the gap between the two clubs.

 

[blaze036]

Why not?

Because he has dummy spits on field and doesn't play like a leader... and off field i hardly think he is a leader or he would of been in collingwoods leadership group

 

[stui magpie]

Good luck to him. He's had leadership stamped all over him before he even played a senior game.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Because he has dummy spits on field and doesn't play like a leader... and off field i hardly think he is a leader or he would of been in collingwoods leadership group

I think Melbourne's leadership group is a tad different to ours.

He has an imposing stature (always good for a leader in physical context) Tick!
He has a grand final medal, do not underestimate what that means to young boys or a club that has been so bereft of a winning culture for so long. Tick!
He still has upside for a young KP player. Hell maybe he'll be sold back to us in 4 yrs as the premier CHB in the league.


Look unless he improves he has a limited life span at Melb & he's there for the reasons above, for the now, not necessarily for the future.

 

[blaze036]

I think Melbourne's leadership group is a tad different to ours.

He has an imposing stature (always good for a leader in physical context) Tick!
He has a grand final medal, do not underestimate what that means to young boys or a club that has been so bereft of a winning culture for so long. Tick!
He still has upside for a young KP player. Hell maybe he'll be sold back to us in 4 yrs as the premier CHB in the league.


Look unless he improves he has a limited life span at Melb & he's there for the reasons above, for the now, not necessarily for the future.

So he deserves to be in the leadership group because he is big and played in a premiership team?

I think melbourne keep making terrible choices... starting with chopping all their experienced players and giving trengove captaincy at 20

 

[Mick98]

My thoughts.
I think he wishes he was still a Collingwood player.