VFL VFL Round 5 v Essendon - Saturday April 26th 7:10pm @ ETU Stadium. Live on 7Mate

[JuniorB]

Oscar Steene rated best of the listed players (90) from Allan (82) and DeMattia (70)

He came up against another young ruck in Visentini, and did a good job.
Smit should not play as a defender - he has no idea.
At least if Cox gets the callup to replace McStay, Roo will spend time in the ruck, as he should.
Steene can play forward when Roo is rucking.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Full Time

Collingwood 18.11.119
Essendon 13.10.88

Goals: West 3, Wilson 2, H Mahoney 2, Hude 2, Cox 2, Browne 2, Steene, Parker, Mason, Markovsky, Markov

Disposals: Glover 25, Browne 23, Allan 22, Algeri 21, Wilson 19, Steene 18, DeMattia 18, H Mahoney 17, Parker 15

AFs: Glover 114, Wilson 104, Steene 90, Allan 82, Browne 81

 

[Mark W]

Parker been good

We have a good one in Parker

I like what he does but he needs to do more….. needs to turn 16 possessions into 20 plus

 

[sr36]

He came up against another young ruck in Visentini, and did a good job.
Smit should not play as a defender - he has no idea.
At least if Cox gets the callup to replace McStay, Roo will spend time in the ruck, as he should.
Steene can play forward when Roo is rucking.

Smit is so far off it. He wouldn't get a game for the VFL team if he wasn't on our AFL list.

 

[Mark W]

He came up against another young ruck in Visentini, and did a good job.
Smit should not play as a defender - he has no idea.
At least if Cox gets the callup to replace McStay, Roo will spend time in the ruck, as he should.
Steene can play forward when Roo is rucking.

Yup, playing 3 rucks is really stuffing up Smit.. I’ll be amazed if he makes it as a KPD. I like his aggression in the ruck though

 

[Apex36]

He came up against another young ruck in Visentini, and did a good job.
Smit should not play as a defender - he has no idea.
At least if Cox gets the callup to replace McStay, Roo will spend time in the ruck, as he should.
Steene can play forward when Roo is rucking.

I think that’s sort of the point. I reckon the aim is to give him a little experience in reading the play in defence so he can hopefully develop in to a ruck similar to Cameron who often drifts back to mark in defence. Steene the one who goes forward. At least that’s how I see it.

 

[rand corp]

Damn, Glover is an absolute rolls royce at this level.

Essendon dominated possession for long periods of that game and full credit to our defenders, Jaith, Parker, Dean, Ryan and Cochran all showed a bit at times.

Allan got better as the game went on and we did get right on top of the stoppage late in the game.

Steene started to really make his presence felt in the second half

Smit had an absolute shocker, and Hayes posed no threat.

West didn't do much and he still kicked three, you like that from a forward. (1 mark, 5 kicks)

Mrakov didn't do much but did bob up for a nice goal

Big Mace was just the big mace -and as my dear departed grandfather used to say, 'the longer the game goes on, the slower the little blokes get, but the big blokes don't get any shorter.' Mace did his best work late, kicked two and got in their faces.

Harry did some nice work by hand -giving it out from in close to open up play. He just didn't get enough of it.

Of the other VFL boys, there is plenty to like about Browne. Algheri did some nice work and Wilson always puts in.

Good win, but for a lot of that game -in the middle quarters- we were the second-best team out there, and our backline, (and their poor entries) kept us in it.

Finished all over them though, and that was most heartening and pleasing to watch.

 

[Apex36]

I like what he does but he needs to do more….. needs to turn 16 possessions into 20 plus

To be fair we played a largely low possession game tonight. Our highest possession getter had 25.

 

[Mark W]

Smit is so far off it. He wouldn't get a game for the VFL team if he wasn't on our AFL list.

I think that’s very unfair..he is being played out of position. He isn’t a defender’s bootlace, As a ruck, he has potential

 

[35Daicos]

Smit is so far off it. He wouldn't get a game for the VFL team if he wasn't on our AFL list.

His fantasy points total does suggest he struggled!!:

 

[Mkcaptain]

I think the we'll get rid of the really early two year extension. None of HDM, Ryan and Allan really should have gotten them. At least Allan has the physical traits that you're going to give him 4 years, but hte other two are very lucky to have gotten 4 off the bat.

My only assumption is that its better for salary cap reasons to lock them in early knowing that it could be a wasted list spot but for the benefit of having players 30-36 on the senior list locked away near the salary floor.

 

[Mick F]

Will be interesting to see how many call for West if Cox is rubbed out.

Anecdotal evidence means next to nothing. 3 supporters (on BF) out of our couple of hundred thousand isn’t definitive.

 

[sr36]

I think that’s very unfair..he is being played out of position. He isn’t a defender’s bootlace, As a ruck, he has potential

You wouldn't play a third ruck with no other role if you were picking your best team. I remember seeing Brent Macaffer play VFA reserves in his first year at the Pies, because Williamstown wanted to win and he wasn't in their best team. Smit would have been in the VFL reserves team in those days. We've got strong VFL talls in that team and he's not one of them - it doesn't mean he'll never be, but he just currently isn't.

 

[swoop42]

No you don't. Your thinking is very ordinary, even though those two are almost certain to be gone at the end of the year. They have the right to try and get fit and show they have something to offer.

They've had years to do that.

Macrae has never taken the next step and it's a long time between drinks for Johnson.

Does anyone really believe if both weren't contracted for 2025 prior to the 2024 season starting (Johnson 2 year extension signed in July 2023, Macrae 1 year extension March 2024) they would still be on our list now?

Hard to imagine their circumstances are going to suddenly change for the better now is it after injury and extended time on the sidelines in 2025?

"IF" there are two players we're really keen on come the MSD I'd back the club if they made the call to place one on the LTI.

They might well earn themselves more coin as a function of it anyway depending on how their contract is structured.

Win/win.

P.S- If we were sitting 2-5 I doubt some of you would be as keen to retain a player who looks to have no future at the club. I'd rather we continue to look at ways of making the list better inside the 2025 season and be ruthless.

 

[Mkcaptain]

His second half was a bit more quiet, but I thought Jiath had a great game. I love how much confidence I have in him now to be part of running transition chains. If a spot becomes available I have him leading the race ahead of Ryan, Cochran and Dean.

I love Josh Browne. I'll be sad if he goes elsewhere on MSD night, even if he probably isn't our primary list need.

 

[sr36]

They've had years to do that.

Macrae has never taken the next step and it's a long time between drinks for Johnson.

Does anyone really believe if both weren't contracted for 2025 prior to the 2024 season starting (Johnson 2 year extension signed in July 2023, Macrae 1 year extension March 2024) they would still be on our list now?

Hard to imagine their circumstances are going to suddenly change for the better now is it after injury and extended time on the sidelines in 2025?

"IF" there are two players we're really keen on come the MSD I'd back the club if they made the call to place one on the LTI.

They might well earn themselves more coin as a function of it anyway depending on how their contract is structured.

Win/win.

P.S- If we were sitting 2-5 I doubt some of you would be as keen to retain a player who looks to have no future at the club. I'd rather we continue to look at ways of making the list better inside the 2025 season and be ruthless.

You just don't seem to get that the player has to agree to go onto the inactive list - it's a part of the rules.

How would they earn more money from it?

 

[Harry O]

I like what he does but he needs to do more….. needs to turn 16 possessions into 20 plus

Probably. But for next level I am more interested in defensive qualities than stat padding

 

[ipswichpies]

No you don't. Your thinking is very ordinary, even though those two are almost certain to be gone at the end of the year. They have the right to try and get fit and show they have something to offer.

Don,t you think both Macrae and Johnson have had enough opportunities to show something I think they were both fortunate to get a further season TBH. I do not think it is an ordinary comment either just a brutal but entirely fair comment about where both players stand with the emergence of Long and West also showing probably as much as Johnson has in the VFL at 6 yrs younger.

 

[35Daicos]

They've had years to do that.

Macrae has never taken the next step and it's a long time between drinks for Johnson.

Does anyone really believe if both weren't contracted for 2025 prior to the 2024 season starting (Johnson 2 year extension signed in July 2023, Macrae 1 year extension March 2024) they would still be on our list now?

Hard to imagine their circumstances are going to suddenly change for the better now is it after injury and extended time on the sidelines in 2025?

"IF" there are two players we're really keen on come the MSD I'd back the club if they made the call to place one on the LTI.

They might well earn themselves more coin as a function of it anyway depending on how their contract is structured.

Win/win.

P.S- If we were sitting 2-5 I doubt some of you would be as keen to retain a player who looks to have no future at the club. I'd rather we continue to look at ways of making the list better inside the 2025 season and be ruthless.

They're still on the list, and especially under our current coach I can't imagine us treating players like that. I'd be staggered if we did anything like you're suggesting, so it just won't happen. We can let them go at the end of the year, and replace them with someone we pick up most likely in a draft where the talent pool is greater. Both are indeed lucky they were granted those contract extensions, and I'm not expecting either of them will do anything startling when they do (presumably) return later in the year. They still have to be supported (by the club) while they're on the list, and have the right to try and show they have something to offer (even if it's to another club) in the future.

Just with regards to Ash Johnson, I'm not sure what they're saying with regards to his recovery time (it's probably still TBC), but there has to be a chance he could be ready to play again in 6 or so weeks time, and with many months left in the season. Do you really think someone is going to say to him (effectively) something like "Ash, we really don't rate you anymore, and want to end your career now, so don't even bother trying to get fit and play again this season, we'll just write you off and bring in some unknown hopeful in the mid-season draft"!

 

[35Daicos]

Don,t you think both Macrae and Johnson have had enough opportunities to show something I think they were both fortunate to get a further season TBH. I do not think it is an ordinary comment either just a brutal but entirely fair comment about where both players stand with the emergence of Long and West also showing probably as much as Johnson has in the VFL at 6 yrs younger.

I just don't expect to see us do that sort of thing, no matter what they see in the future for those two players. Some clubs might be prepared to be that ruthless, I don't believe we would be, and I much prefer it that way!

 

[TradeDraft]

West didn't do much and he still kicked three, you like that from a forward. (1 mark, 5 kicks)

Kicking to him was not the Best but took his Chances when he did

5 kicks for 3 Goals and 1 that setup a Goal

 

[stormskye]

Parker: clean and composed. Like what I saw.

TJ: excellent first half, faded a bit in the second but took some good marks and takes the game on. Decision making improving

Steene: good around the ground but his ruck work lets him down atm

West: good from limited opportunities. Should have had 4 from an obvious free kick that wasn’t paid in goal square. Involved in a couple of other goals through hands/ bringing ball to ground

HDM: same as always. Just not seeing any strengths. Just waiting… meanwhile doggies pick 45 in the same draft is right at home at afl level

Allan: couple of moments but didn’t stand out to me. Pass mark. His errant handballing needs to stop. Want him to use his speed to break from stoppage. Only 2 clearances. Maybe I’m just harsh but I expect more from him


Cochrane and Hayes were relatively quiet.

Ryan: disappointing again.

Couple of the vfl boys looked good.

Glover a rock as always (except for one really bad turnover and goal)

Smit was a little bit

 

[35Daicos]

They've had years to do that.

Macrae has never taken the next step and it's a long time between drinks for Johnson.

Does anyone really believe if both weren't contracted for 2025 prior to the 2024 season starting (Johnson 2 year extension signed in July 2023, Macrae 1 year extension March 2024) they would still be on our list now?

Hard to imagine their circumstances are going to suddenly change for the better now is it after injury and extended time on the sidelines in 2025?

"IF" there are two players we're really keen on come the MSD I'd back the club if they made the call to place one on the LTI.

They might well earn themselves more coin as a function of it anyway depending on how their contract is structured.

Win/win.

P.S- If we were sitting 2-5 I doubt some of you would be as keen to retain a player who looks to have no future at the club. I'd rather we continue to look at ways of making the list better inside the 2025 season and be ruthless.

And just on that last bit, my thinking on this wouldn't change one bit even if we were sitting 2-5! Our club is in fantastic shape both on and off the field at the moment, and Craig McRae's way of handling people obviously has a lot to do with it. Stabbing listed players in the back just doesn't seem to fit with our current approach, and so it shouldn't happen!

 

[ipswichpies]

They've had years to do that.

Macrae has never taken the next step and it's a long time between drinks for Johnson.

Does anyone really believe if both weren't contracted for 2025 prior to the 2024 season starting (Johnson 2 year extension signed in July 2023, Macrae 1 year extension March 2024) they would still be on our list now?

Hard to imagine their circumstances are going to suddenly change for the better now is it after injury and extended time on the sidelines in 2025?

"IF" there are two players we're really keen on come the MSD I'd back the club if they made the call to place one on the LTI.

They might well earn themselves more coin as a function of it anyway depending on how their contract is structured.

Win/win.

P.S- If we were sitting 2-5 I doubt some of you would be as keen to retain a player who looks to have no future at the club. I'd rather we continue to look at ways of making the list better inside the 2025 season and be ruthless.

I do not think either should have been given a further yr I think neither have shown themselves to be AFL relevant really in fact to be truthful they have not really shown themselves as VFL relevant apart from the odd performance which are too few and too far apart.

 

[pablo disco bar]

Curtis Taylor I think you mean from north mate. No idea where he is tbh

Na Bennett i think ?