Tom Boyd

[Joffaboy]

Think he will develop into a good forward but the price tag is a bit of a hinderance for the dogs.
Understand why the Dogs did it, maybe in hindsight they may have cooled their jets, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Imagine if Hawthorn traded Hodge and pick 6 for Jonathan Patton. That's essentially what the dogs have done. Seems mad now - I hope it works out for them.

Until Hodge deliberately walks out on the club, is among a player revolt that causes the coach's sacking (with more players wanting to leave) and Hodge requesting a trade to a specific club only whilst still in contract, they're not comparable at all.

 

[Joffaboy]

Half my family are doggies so I watch every game. I've been putting up with the 'poor old doggies' syndrome for nearly 30 years. They could have made the same statement spending half as much.

My whole family are Dogs supporters, fatalists the lot of them. Being a Saints supporter I emphasize.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Until Hodge deliberately walks out on the club, is among a player revolt that causes the coach's sacking (with more players wanting to leave) and Hodge requesting a trade to a specific club only whilst still in contract, they're not comparable at all.

why didn't you cop a pick for griffin?

 

[TW Sherrin]

My whole family are Dogs supporters, fatalists the lot of them. Being a Saints supporter I emphasize.

I cop the "but you've seen your team win a premiership" almost weekly.

 

[treefingers]

Until Hodge deliberately walks out on the club, is among a player revolt that causes the coach's sacking (with more players wanting to leave) and Hodge requesting a trade to a specific club only whilst still in contract, they're not comparable at all.

Bargaining power, I suppose. I'll admit, I forgot about the circumstances - the player for player comparison still stands though.

 

[Joffaboy]

I cop the "but you've seen your team win a premiership" almost weekly.

Lol I cop, at least you have been to a Grand Final when we chat about footy.

 

[hutchy31]

Half my family are doggies so I watch every game. I've been putting up with the 'poor old doggies' syndrome for nearly 30 years. They could have made the same statement spending half as much.

Don't think so. I think he's getting too much, but half would never have got it done. He'd have waited a year and got his price in a bidding war, probably from Carlton.

No more poor old doggies here fwiw. The club have drafted really well, have a couple of emerging superstars, a good coach and potentially a marquee KPF. No more excuses, window opening pretty soon.

Well, unless GWS win the next ten flags with their unending first rounders. Then I'll be complaining again....

 

[WilloTree]

People can have a go at Boyd's output - many dogs fans question it too. But let's not rewrite history here - Gordon wasn't waving a blank cheque across the comp looking for any KPF. Our captain went AWOL and announced he wanted to be traded and only to GWS.

So in amongst the turmoil, when the head coach was let go too, the club tried to make a statement and solve a long-standing issue at the club relating to the lack of a dominant big guy up forward.

History will tell if it was a good move - if he helps win a flag he's worth it irrespective of his stats imo. But even if not let's agree it was a complicated situation and not a simple 'go and get an established key forward from anywhere'.

I totally agree with this. If Griffen was so keen to leave, he was gravy in the deal to get it done. He may have even been a bees diaphragm away from Free Agent/walking to the Draft anyway. Do the Doggies want to cling to a bloke who doesn't want to be there? Hell no. Especially if he's the grease that turns the wheel in getting a Number 1 pick Key Forward.

Cordy, Grant, Jones were underwhelming. Hall too old.

Just my opinion, but WB get a decade full forward for a 27 year old bloke who wanted to leave (admittedly an A grader) and Caleb Marchbank; who looks like he's already called a cab to the airport.

I tip my hat the the Bullies.

 

[TedDougChris]

Imagine if Hawthorn traded Hodge and pick 6 for Jonathan Patton. That's essentially what the dogs have done. Seems mad now - I hope it works out for them.

Given Griff threatened to retire if he wasnt traded to GWS, can you outline alternate options that were available...

 

[Joffaboy]

Given Griff threatened to retire if he wasnt traded to GWS, can you outline alternate options that were available...

What a prick. You reward him with the captaincy and he shits on the club and supporters.
Serious feel for the Dogs supporters when a player pulls that shit

 

[TW Sherrin]

Don't think so. I think he's getting too much, but half would never have got it done. He'd have waited a year and got his price in a bidding war, probably from Carlton.

No more poor old doggies here fwiw. The club have drafted really well, have a couple of emerging superstars, a good coach and potentially a marquee KPF. No more excuses, window opening pretty soon.

Well, unless GWS win the next ten flags with their unending first rounders. Then I'll be complaining again....

agree you've ticked a lot of boxes in the last 2 years (recruiting / drafting) and that makes the Boyd deal look worse. hopefully for you guys it doesn't become an anvil around your neck.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

wow that makes it worse. he's getting 7M for 6 years? geezus.

true it can still be a genius move. if he's the best big man in the game from 2018 - 2022 and they win multiple flags I'll agree it was pure genius

if not they fcked up....imo.

So your life is one of extremes; I assume therefore your daily summary is something in the order of "I've have the greatest day of my life" or "I've had the worst day of my life". Perhaps try and find a happy medium, you'll be the better for it.

Imagine if Hawthorn traded Hodge and pick 6 for Jonathan Patton. That's essentially what the dogs have done. Seems mad now - I hope it works out for them.

Ryan Griffen at home, having just been compared to Luke Hodge

I cop the "but you've seen your team win a premiership" almost weekly.

Riveting conversations, if not a little repetitive, in the Sherrin household. What's the family's view on the upcoming election?

 

[Andre the Giant]

Given Griff threatened to retire if he wasnt traded to GWS, can you outline alternate options that were available...

Two sides to every story. Dogs met with Boyd and his father months before it went down and struck the deal.

He was so confident it was going to happen he moved back to Melbourne before his contract expired.

He and his manager then demanded he be traded to the Dogs, he even rang the coach and basically said he was not coming back if the deal wasn't done.

It is never black and white. Both players got to where they wanted to go and it's worked out extremely well for us.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Two sides to every story. Dogs met with Boyd and his father months before it went down and struck the deal.

He was so confident it was going to happen he moved back to Melbourne before his contract expired.

He and his manager then demanded he be traded to the Dogs, he even rang the coach and basically said he was not coming back if the deal wasn't done.

It is never black and white. Both players got to where they wanted to go and it's worked out extremely well for us.

Do you also write non fiction stories?

 

[Northworth]

Bargaining power, I suppose. I'll admit, I forgot about the circumstances - the player for player comparison still stands though.

that and Hawthorn continuing to pay Hodge's salary for the Giants

 

[TW Sherrin]

So your life is one of extremes; I assume therefore your daily summary is something in the order of "I've have the greatest day of my life" or "I've had the worst day of my life". Perhaps try and find a happy medium, you'll be the better for it.

Riveting conversations, if not a little repetitive, in the Sherrin household. What's the family's view on the upcoming election?

Boyd isn't a happy medium deal. Its a swing for the fence.


Never talk politics at home. Drives her nuts that I wont tell her who I vote for.

 

[yyou]

it will always be the case we payed overs.

what player in the comp right now could justify being on a million a season?

Griffen

 

[Andre the Giant]

Do you also write non fiction stories?

Tell me what part is fiction?

The world knows the Dogs set their sights on Patton and had the offer lined up then he did his ACL.

They then set their sights on Boyd and just whited out the name.

Gordon met with Tom and his dad way before the end of the season.

This all happened if you choose to not believe it that is your prerogative.

Hell you might even believe you're not paying part of Griff's contract too.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Tell me what part is fiction?

Gordon met with Tom and his dad way before the end of the season.

This. But I like your imagination....

 

[ManOfClay]

I've never heard we'd met with boyd and made an agreement until this very conversation.

I've also never heard we are still paying griffen outside of what we were contracted to when he walked. Which was either paid out last season or is being paid in smaller amounts over the next few

 

[TedDougChris]

People can have a go at Boyd's output - many dogs fans question it too. But let's not rewrite history here - Gordon wasn't waving a blank cheque across the comp looking for any KPF. Our captain went AWOL and announced he wanted to be traded and only to GWS.

So in amongst the turmoil, when the head coach was let go too, the club tried to make a statement and solve a long-standing issue at the club relating to the lack of a dominant big guy up forward.

History will tell if it was a good move - if he helps win a flag he's worth it irrespective of his stats imo. But even if not let's agree it was a complicated situation and not a simple 'go and get an established key forward from anywhere'.

I posted this a long time ago in another thread and it's taken a little while to find... (apologies for quoting myself, but **** it....) Also note that this was before the draft, but after the trade period...

Start at the beginning.

Griffen is gone - refuses to even speak to anyone at the club.
GWS are initially offering Pick 7 and a player.

Neither Pick 4 or 7 is guaranteed to get a KPF. Pick 3 isn't even guaranteed to get one, should the Saints and Dees go McCartin/Wright.

Also - Griff goes after Cooney, Jones and Higgins have all said they are going. So we now have an extra 1.6M available to us (lets say 600, 400, 300, 300).

Who could we have chased in the FA/trade period (I'll exclude the Dogs players here and just list the others): Frawley, Ryder, O'Rourke, Membrey, Cheney, Lowden, Beams, Christensen, Jaksch, Whiley, Crisp, Varcoe, Greenwood, Lumumba, Giles, Gwilt, Clark, Stanley, Hallahan, Malceski, Waite.

If you eliminate the FA's: Ryder, O'Rourke, Membrey, Cheney, Lowden, Beams, Christensen, Jaksch, Whiley, Crisp, Varcoe, Greenwood, Lumumba, Giles, Clark, Stanley, Hallahan.

If you eliminate those who nominated a specific club: O'Rourke, Membrey, Cheney, Lowden, Jaksch, Whiley, Crisp, Varcoe, Greenwood, Lumumba, Giles, Clark, Stanley, Hallahan.

We chased Greenwood and offered a better deal according to his manager. We also chased a KPD in Lonergan. The others are a mix of meh and maybes. Many are midfielders (which we don't really need) - the only key position players are: Membrey, Clark and Stanley.

Do any of the players above significantly improve on what we had this year ?? Don't forget, they aren't all GWS players - so they weren't going to end up part of the Griffen deal.

We've been denied access to the best talent due to GCS and GWS, who have hoarded all the KPP's. So we've targeted one (Boyd) and landed him. Are we paying a massive amount of coin ? You bloody bet we are. Is he a potential superstar ? - yes, he is. Compared to the final list above - who has the most potential upside to them ? It's Boyd by a fair margin. Forget the cash, because we can pay it and then some.

So while we clearly haven't won the trade period, we've turned a really shitty period into one of hope. Given the starting point or even midway point in the trade period, we've clearly turned the corner and accelerated upwards at a fantastic rate.

We've potentially fixed a massive structural weakness - albeit at a high price. It will take the pressure of Crameri - 30 - 40 goals per year and Stringer - who could reach that. If Boyd peaks at around 50 per year, that'll be 110 - 130 goals per year through our three main forwards. Add in some midfield goals and Dahlhaus/Hunter - that's not a bad scoring potential there..

If we'd lost Griffen and ended up with Cheney, Stanley and Lumumba - that'd be dark and desperate times. This way, there is a little bit of hope. Next year will be painful though I suspect.

So, when you take a look back over the past couple of years with the benefit of hindsight - also remember to look back and see what was actually available to us at the time. If Griff walked out this year, with the side playing consecutive (hopefully) finals campaigns - we'd probably be able to attract a wider variety of targets to the club.

Are we paying overs - yep. Said it then and say it again. (NB - I think it's 6.2M over 7 years, 200K for the second year and an average of 1M per annum from then on - not 7M over 6). Could we have got him cheaper ?? I would have certainly tested the waters at 750K per annum, with potential increases - but that's life... Perhaps we wouldn't have got him for the lower figure, I don't know...

But so far we've kept the list together, been able to improve through clever drafting, trading and FA. So Boyd's big salary appears largely to be something that worries the likes of Damien Barrett and co....

And do you all want to be grouped with the likes of the Purple ****knuckle ??? Surely not....

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Thread needs a Tom Boyd option.

 

[Pugz89]

agree you've ticked a lot of boxes in the last 2 years (recruiting / drafting) and that makes the Boyd deal look better. hopefully for you guys it does become a premiership medal around his neck.

EFA

 

[WilloTree]

Griffen

Tom Scully

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-17/tom-scully-resigns-with-giants-takes-a-pay-cut