Tom Boyd

[Dazb86]

I think it is fair to say Boyd will never reach the level of performance his salary commands.

He's shown glimpses of becoming a good player amongst mainly mediocre performances and some really bad games.

I think with strength and fitness he'll only get better.

I'm glad we took a gamble on a #1 pick child prodigy. We've needed a gun KPF for as long as I can remember. At this stage it looks like it won't pay off.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

GWS says it won’t trade Tom Boyd to Western Bulldogs in potential swap for Ryan Griffen

Tom Boyd wants to join the Dogs. Picture: Michael Klein
GREATER Western Sydney has point-blank refused to trade Tom Boyd, saying they will retain last year’s no. 1 selection even if it costs them outgoing Bulldog Ryan Griffen.

The Dogs shocked the football world yesterday when Boyd requested a trade to Whitten Oval only days after the club sacked coach Brendan McCartney.

The Boyd deal is believed to be a long-term contract of up to five years worth around $800,000 a season, only months after a similar offer to Jon Patton was aborted after he suffered a second ACL rupture.

TRADE WRAP: NEWS AS IT HAPPENS

DEMANDS: DOGS SEEK ‘UNPRECEDENTED’ GRIFF TRADE

GWS boss David Matthews last night told the Herald Sun the Giants had ruled a line in the sand: Boyd will not leave the club.

However the Bulldogs remain confident they can strike a huge blow to the Giants list management strategy with a big play for the prized spearhead.

It comes as the Giants try to retain star forward Jeremy Cameron and gun midfielders Dylan Shiel and Adam Treloar, determined not to set an alarming precedent with all three out of contract next year.

Ryan Griffen has requested a trade to GWS. Pic: Michael Klein.
Matthews said the Giants would still try to trade for Bulldogs captain Griffen, but Dogs president Peter Gordon says only a straight swap will do given Griffen’s “unprecedented” status.

“We are sincere in what we say — for the avoidance of doubt Tom Boyd is not going to be traded,’’ Matthews told the Herald Sun.

“We have had the Dogs ask us whether Tom Boyd could be involved in the deal with Ryan Griffen and the answer is no.

“That is the end of the matter. There are things to satisfy the Bulldogs on Griffen if they want to do a deal.

“If not, they can convince him to be back at the Western Bulldogs, but Tom Boyd is not part of the Griffen deal.”

Gordon said he would call GWS president Tony Shepherd to broker a deal, but Matthews had a swift retort.

“I am not sure when chairmen started doing deals but he is not being traded in this trade period,” Matthews said.

St Kilda has also inquired about Boyd but given he must agree to a trade the prospect of him landing at St Kilda seems distant.

The Giants will have picks 4 and 7 but seem unlikely to offer both for Griffen.

Boyd’s departure would be catastrophic for the Giants given player managers believe the loss of one or two of the club’s young stars could turn into a snowball effect.

They have seen the likes of Dom Tyson and Anthony Miles thrive in Melbourne but if the Giants surge up the ladder next year could all pledge to remain as a group.

Speculation continues that Shiel will return to Melbourne in 2015 while Cameron could write his own check on the open market with clubs including Collingwood massing their forces.

Matthews said he knew the offers were coming but believes GWS will retain its star players.

“Melbourne clubs have been into our players as we know. We have a talented group, a strong culture, a good coach and we are improving all the time.

Tom Boyd has requested a trade to GWS. Pic. Phil Hillyard
“So it’s a good place to be. We understand there are some wild offers that get made. We are happy to entertain the prospect of getting someone of Ryan Griffen’s quality but there are other ways we are able to satisfy them without giving up Tom Boyd.”

Gordon hit the airwaves to defend his club yesterday, adamant a Boyd-Griffen trade was the only deal the Dogs would accept.

“The sort of quid pro quo we’d be looking at would be pretty much unprecedented in the competition,’’ he said.

“Let’s look at Ryan Griffen, he’s just played his 200th game, captain of the club, All-Australian, one of the most credentialed guys going around.

“There wouldn’t be a player, except maybe Gary Ablett, that’s changed clubs in the last couple of years that’s had the cachet and the value that Ryan Griffen has got.”

Boyd is overseas but Matthews believes if he stayed the Giants could convince him of his long-term future at the club.

JEREMY CAMERON, 21

The AFL’s budding superstar after 120 goals in 51 games, Cameron is out of contract at the end of 2015 but has put off contract talks until next season as Victorian clubs get the chequebook out for massive deals.

JON PATTON, 21

The Herald Sun reported a five-year deal worth close to $1 million a year in August but when the no. 1 pick went down with his second ACL rupture he quickly re-signed on a long-term deal.

TOM BOYD, 19

Last year’s no. 1 pick kicked eight goals in nine games in 2014 but the Dogs have offered him a multi-million dollar deal after hearing he had been homesick all year. GWS is firm — he ain’t going anywhere.

 

[joop]

GWS says it won’t trade Tom Boyd to Western Bulldogs in potential swap for Ryan Griffen

Tom Boyd wants to join the Dogs. Picture: Michael Klein
GREATER Western Sydney has point-blank refused to trade Tom Boyd, saying they will retain last year’s no. 1 selection even if it costs them outgoing Bulldog Ryan Griffen.

The Dogs shocked the football world yesterday when Boyd requested a trade to Whitten Oval only days after the club sacked coach Brendan McCartney.

The Boyd deal is believed to be a long-term contract of up to five years worth around $800,000 a season, only months after a similar offer to Jon Patton was aborted after he suffered a second ACL rupture.

TRADE WRAP: NEWS AS IT HAPPENS

DEMANDS: DOGS SEEK ‘UNPRECEDENTED’ GRIFF TRADE

GWS boss David Matthews last night told the Herald Sun the Giants had ruled a line in the sand: Boyd will not leave the club.

However the Bulldogs remain confident they can strike a huge blow to the Giants list management strategy with a big play for the prized spearhead.

It comes as the Giants try to retain star forward Jeremy Cameron and gun midfielders Dylan Shiel and Adam Treloar, determined not to set an alarming precedent with all three out of contract next year.

Ryan Griffen has requested a trade to GWS. Pic: Michael Klein.
Matthews said the Giants would still try to trade for Bulldogs captain Griffen, but Dogs president Peter Gordon says only a straight swap will do given Griffen’s “unprecedented” status.

“We are sincere in what we say — for the avoidance of doubt Tom Boyd is not going to be traded,’’ Matthews told the Herald Sun.

“We have had the Dogs ask us whether Tom Boyd could be involved in the deal with Ryan Griffen and the answer is no.

“That is the end of the matter. There are things to satisfy the Bulldogs on Griffen if they want to do a deal.

“If not, they can convince him to be back at the Western Bulldogs, but Tom Boyd is not part of the Griffen deal.”

Gordon said he would call GWS president Tony Shepherd to broker a deal, but Matthews had a swift retort.

“I am not sure when chairmen started doing deals but he is not being traded in this trade period,” Matthews said.

St Kilda has also inquired about Boyd but given he must agree to a trade the prospect of him landing at St Kilda seems distant.

The Giants will have picks 4 and 7 but seem unlikely to offer both for Griffen.

Boyd’s departure would be catastrophic for the Giants given player managers believe the loss of one or two of the club’s young stars could turn into a snowball effect.

They have seen the likes of Dom Tyson and Anthony Miles thrive in Melbourne but if the Giants surge up the ladder next year could all pledge to remain as a group.

Speculation continues that Shiel will return to Melbourne in 2015 while Cameron could write his own check on the open market with clubs including Collingwood massing their forces.

Matthews said he knew the offers were coming but believes GWS will retain its star players.

“Melbourne clubs have been into our players as we know. We have a talented group, a strong culture, a good coach and we are improving all the time.

Tom Boyd has requested a trade to GWS. Pic. Phil Hillyard
“So it’s a good place to be. We understand there are some wild offers that get made. We are happy to entertain the prospect of getting someone of Ryan Griffen’s quality but there are other ways we are able to satisfy them without giving up Tom Boyd.”

Gordon hit the airwaves to defend his club yesterday, adamant a Boyd-Griffen trade was the only deal the Dogs would accept.

“The sort of quid pro quo we’d be looking at would be pretty much unprecedented in the competition,’’ he said.

“Let’s look at Ryan Griffen, he’s just played his 200th game, captain of the club, All-Australian, one of the most credentialed guys going around.

“There wouldn’t be a player, except maybe Gary Ablett, that’s changed clubs in the last couple of years that’s had the cachet and the value that Ryan Griffen has got.”

Boyd is overseas but Matthews believes if he stayed the Giants could convince him of his long-term future at the club.

JEREMY CAMERON, 21

The AFL’s budding superstar after 120 goals in 51 games, Cameron is out of contract at the end of 2015 but has put off contract talks until next season as Victorian clubs get the chequebook out for massive deals.

JON PATTON, 21

The Herald Sun reported a five-year deal worth close to $1 million a year in August but when the no. 1 pick went down with his second ACL rupture he quickly re-signed on a long-term deal.

TOM BOYD, 19

Last year’s no. 1 pick kicked eight goals in nine games in 2014 but the Dogs have offered him a multi-million dollar deal after hearing he had been homesick all year. GWS is firm — he ain’t going anywhere.

Mate, seriously, you're using a gossip newspaper that has no quotes or any sources from either GWS or St.Kilda to somehow back up your argument? Surely you're not that stupid. You're the type of person that keeps gutter journalism circulating.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Mate, seriously, you're using a gossip newspaper that has no quotes or any sources from either GWS or St.Kilda to somehow back up your argument? Surely you're not that stupid. You're the type of person that keeps gutter journalism circulating.

It's just an article, relax. The spelling was appalling, though.

 

[The 747]

The three way bitterness between Saints, Dogs and North fans is an interesting thing to behold.

 

[Dogsman16]

Mate, seriously, you're using a gossip newspaper that has no quotes or any sources from either GWS or St.Kilda to somehow back up your argument? Surely you're not that stupid. You're the type of person that keeps gutter journalism circulating.

Using the same logic we can't assume what Boyds salary is due to the nature of the contract being published on a gossip newspaper?

St kilda did show interest from memory pick 1 was certainly on the table.

 

[who_let_the_dogs_out]

Can't believe this thread is still kicking on.

 

[Adam H]

Using the same logic we can't assume what Boyds salary is due to the nature of the contract being published on a gossip newspaper?

St kilda did show interest from memory pick 1 was certainly on the table.

Please provide at least some sort of non gossip like evidence.

 

[joop]

Using the same logic we can't assume what Boyds salary is due to the nature of the contract being published on a gossip newspaper?

St kilda did show interest from memory pick 1 was certainly on the table.

yeh you're right. ****ing bullet dodged!!

 

[JD Tomahawk]

Eventually at some point in time dog supporters will acknowledge the deal was a bust

 

[Adam H]

Eventually at some point in time dog supporters will acknowledge the deal was a bust

No what you'll get is them posting a video of a overhead mark against Hawthorn he took last season. This somehow justifies his contract.

 

[ManOfClay]

No what you'll get is them posting a video of a overhead mark against Hawthorn he took last season. This somehow justifies his contract.

The best thing about that mark is he kicked the goal afterwards.

A certain other key forward taken recently at pick 1 should take note

 

[Sedat!]

Eventually at some point in time dog supporters will acknowledge the deal was a bust

Of course we will, if by 2018 he hasn't improved significantly beyond his current level.

 

[Adam H]

The best thing about that mark is he kicked the goal afterwards.

A certain other key forward taken recently at pick 1 should take note

Yeah McCartin is the first player to miss a goal from 50 out in the wind at Hobart.

 

[hoianbulldog]

Eventually at some point in time dog supporters will acknowledge the deal was a bust

That may be the case but now isn't the time to make a call either way. Some people are talking as if his career has already finished.

 

[ManOfClay]

Yeah McCartin is the first player to miss a goal from 50 out in the wind at Hobart.

It was 40m at the most. Your constant revisionism and lying gets tiresome

 

[Adam H]

It was 40m at the most. Your constant revisionism and lying gets tiresome

Marked it 40 out kicked from 50. Either way ridiculous to compare the 15 meter kick at Ethiad from Boyd to that kick.

 

[ManOfClay]

Marked it 40 out kicked from 50. Either way ridiculous to compare the 15 meter kick at Ethiad from Boyd to that kick.

Boyd's was also in Tasmania.

 

[Adam H]

Boyd's was also in Tasmania.

15 out from goal well done.

 

[Dale4captain]

Serious question, who do you personally think your 10 best players are currently?

Top ten on the list potential wise or top ten this year?

This year I'd go with Bonti, Stringer, Libba, Dahl, Matty Boyd, Stevens, Hunter, Macrae, Morris and Adams.

But then you'd have to include JJ and Murph who were both probably top 2 and absolutely on fire before long term injuries, as well as guys like Wood, Picken, Daniel, Mclean, Wallis, Biggs and Dickson who have all been utterly brilliant this year too.

 

[cecil]

I don't think any of us are claiming that Boyd will be "worth" his reported salary (which seems to vary from 800k -1m/year).

It was a highly unique situation salary cap-wise that we attempted to salvage something from. Looking at it this way:

Griffen walked - $1m of the 2015 salary cap allocated towards him, and probably expected to be recontracted for a similar amount.
Cooney - We wanted him out as we believed that he was a negative influence on Stringer. Ended up with Biggs for him. Win! Probably on 500k/year and under contract.
Higgins - Was offered a contract but declined to re-sign and moved to North. Can't find a figure but probably on 400k/year.
Jones - Offered a contract but took Carltons 3 year, 300k/year-ish contract.
Tutt - Was offered a contract but moved to Carlton instead. Probably not on much but it adds up...
On top of this Gia and Tom Williams retired, although probably expected salary cap wise. Matt Boyd was also close to being let go by BMac and signed on for a low wage (really hope he got a payrise for this years contract!).

As a lot of this went down coming into trade week, or even during, it put us in a tough spot with having to pay 95% of the cap - which we were reported to be only paying anyway. Basically, if these players left we would need to spend up big ($2m+) just to hit the minimum payment. This explains the huge offers to Tom Lonergan (good player obviously, but not the right fit), Levi Greenwood (reported to be higher than Collingwoods offer) and Levi Casboult (bullet dodged). All declined our approach.

Enter Tom Boyd.

We basically paid Griffens wage last year in lieu of Boyds (which I dont agree with, but anyway), which ate up $1m of the leftover cash. Another $1m would have been paid forward into the young guns contracts (all re-signed to long term deals). Which brings us to this year. As we only paid 95% of the cap last year, as per the new rule we can pay 105% this year - probably an extra million!. Griffen also comes off the books ($1m), as well as many of our younger players being on front loaded contracts due to the 2015 payments. So basically we have upwards of $2m free in the cap this year which can be allocated to Boyd. Using the midground of speculated figures you could say he is one 900k/year for years 2-7, so if we allocate him that full $2m this year then all of a sudden his yearly wage is down to about 700k. Still overpaying for what he is contributing now, but if he ends up a 50 goal/year full forward who can swing into the ruck as well, then paying that in 2020 when he should seriously be challenging would be unders.

 

[ManOfClay]

15 out from goal well done.

Watched McCartin miss one from there against Collingwood. A goal is a goal, still have to kick them

 

[Defacto]

GWS says it won’t trade Tom Boyd to Western Bulldogs in potential swap for Ryan Griffen

Tom Boyd wants to join the Dogs. Picture: Michael Klein
GREATER Western Sydney has point-blank refused to trade Tom Boyd, saying they will retain last year’s no. 1 selection even if it costs them outgoing Bulldog Ryan Griffen.

The Dogs shocked the football world yesterday when Boyd requested a trade to Whitten Oval only days after the club sacked coach Brendan McCartney.

The Boyd deal is believed to be a long-term contract of up to five years worth around $800,000 a season, only months after a similar offer to Jon Patton was aborted after he suffered a second ACL rupture.

TRADE WRAP: NEWS AS IT HAPPENS

DEMANDS: DOGS SEEK ‘UNPRECEDENTED’ GRIFF TRADE

GWS boss David Matthews last night told the Herald Sun the Giants had ruled a line in the sand: Boyd will not leave the club.

However the Bulldogs remain confident they can strike a huge blow to the Giants list management strategy with a big play for the prized spearhead.

It comes as the Giants try to retain star forward Jeremy Cameron and gun midfielders Dylan Shiel and Adam Treloar, determined not to set an alarming precedent with all three out of contract next year.

Ryan Griffen has requested a trade to GWS. Pic: Michael Klein.
Matthews said the Giants would still try to trade for Bulldogs captain Griffen, but Dogs president Peter Gordon says only a straight swap will do given Griffen’s “unprecedented” status.

“We are sincere in what we say — for the avoidance of doubt Tom Boyd is not going to be traded,’’ Matthews told the Herald Sun.

“We have had the Dogs ask us whether Tom Boyd could be involved in the deal with Ryan Griffen and the answer is no.

“That is the end of the matter. There are things to satisfy the Bulldogs on Griffen if they want to do a deal.

“If not, they can convince him to be back at the Western Bulldogs, but Tom Boyd is not part of the Griffen deal.”

Gordon said he would call GWS president Tony Shepherd to broker a deal, but Matthews had a swift retort.

“I am not sure when chairmen started doing deals but he is not being traded in this trade period,” Matthews said.

St Kilda has also inquired about Boyd but given he must agree to a trade the prospect of him landing at St Kilda seems distant.

The Giants will have picks 4 and 7 but seem unlikely to offer both for Griffen.

Boyd’s departure would be catastrophic for the Giants given player managers believe the loss of one or two of the club’s young stars could turn into a snowball effect.

They have seen the likes of Dom Tyson and Anthony Miles thrive in Melbourne but if the Giants surge up the ladder next year could all pledge to remain as a group.

Speculation continues that Shiel will return to Melbourne in 2015 while Cameron could write his own check on the open market with clubs including Collingwood massing their forces.

Matthews said he knew the offers were coming but believes GWS will retain its star players.

“Melbourne clubs have been into our players as we know. We have a talented group, a strong culture, a good coach and we are improving all the time.

Tom Boyd has requested a trade to GWS. Pic. Phil Hillyard
“So it’s a good place to be. We understand there are some wild offers that get made. We are happy to entertain the prospect of getting someone of Ryan Griffen’s quality but there are other ways we are able to satisfy them without giving up Tom Boyd.”

Gordon hit the airwaves to defend his club yesterday, adamant a Boyd-Griffen trade was the only deal the Dogs would accept.

“The sort of quid pro quo we’d be looking at would be pretty much unprecedented in the competition,’’ he said.

“Let’s look at Ryan Griffen, he’s just played his 200th game, captain of the club, All-Australian, one of the most credentialed guys going around.

“There wouldn’t be a player, except maybe Gary Ablett, that’s changed clubs in the last couple of years that’s had the cachet and the value that Ryan Griffen has got.”

Boyd is overseas but Matthews believes if he stayed the Giants could convince him of his long-term future at the club.

JEREMY CAMERON, 21

The AFL’s budding superstar after 120 goals in 51 games, Cameron is out of contract at the end of 2015 but has put off contract talks until next season as Victorian clubs get the chequebook out for massive deals.

JON PATTON, 21

The Herald Sun reported a five-year deal worth close to $1 million a year in August but when the no. 1 pick went down with his second ACL rupture he quickly re-signed on a long-term deal.

TOM BOYD, 19

Last year’s no. 1 pick kicked eight goals in nine games in 2014 but the Dogs have offered him a multi-million dollar deal after hearing he had been homesick all year. GWS is firm — he ain’t going anywhere.

since when did that say we were prepared to match the terms and or were trying to find the assets to get him?

 

[Adam H]

Watched McCartin miss one from there against Collingwood. A goal is a goal, still have to kick them

McCartin after being knocked out from taking a courageous mark yes I saw that.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

since when did that say we were prepared to match the terms and or were trying to find the assets to get him?

When did I say that? What are you talking about?