Tom Boyd

[Dazb86]

I've made this post before, but Boyd was more highly rated on the day of the draft compared to every other key forward on the day of their draft on this generation.

I'm not saying for a second it's panned out like that. I'm just saying that Boyd was by and far one of the best number 1 picks for years and the most unanimous, and Wright was merely a top 10 pick with multiple other players rated higher than him, so saying that we had a pick for Wright and not to go after Boyd is just absolutely ridiculous.

This was from Boyd's draft year, after AFL.com.au interviewed recruiters and talent managers etc. and collated their scores by averages

Funnily enough the 2 scores Boyd is weak in are his main issues today. I'm hoping the aerobic capacity comes with time. The aggression is the harder thing to teach.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Yeah plus take away leadership, kicking, strength and speed and Hogan is even further ahead on those ratings. Goes to show how overrated Boyd was in his junior years.

Who made those rating? The cleaner at AFL house?

 

[Sentinel]

Who made those rating? The cleaner at AFL house?

Read the post with the initial ratings. Regardless of how his AFL career has tracked so far, he was extremely highly rated as an underage player and it would be wrong to argue otherwise.

 

[Apex36]

I'd love people to offer advice on "who" we should have got instead of Boyd? Who are the plentiful key forwards who were so willing to come to the club at the time. Explain an alternative involving an existing player and not a punt on Peter Wright who slid from a "possible" pick 1 to being selected at pick 8? I'm always fascinated as to what the alternative was when the club was on its knees, begging for a good news story? And please don't tell me the draft was the answer. Only morons would suggest that.

Because a punt on Peter Wright was so much more risky than a punt on Boyd, who'd shown absolutely nothing in his 1 year in the system to justify a million dollar contract, amirite?

Face the facts. You could have had Wright and Lever instead of Boyd by keeping your first pick and taking pick 8 from GWS for Griffen. I'm not sure why you think that morons would say that the draft was the answer, especially given that Dalrymple and co have pretty much nailed every first round pick they've had for the past 5 years.

 

[Mattdougie]

Because a punt on Peter Wright was so much more risky than a punt on Boyd, who'd shown absolutely nothing in his 1 year in the system to justify a million dollar contract, amirite?

Face the facts. You could have had Wright and Lever instead of Boyd by keeping your first pick and taking pick 8 from GWS for Griffen. I'm not sure why you think that morons would say that the draft was the answer, especially given that Dalrymple and co have pretty much nailed every first round pick they've had for the past 5 years.

We would never have got pick 8 for Griffen

He walked and we had no bargaining power.

Griff would have sat out a year if he had to.

Would have got a 2nd rounder at best.

Clearly the club thought Boyd was the man to put the money into and Dalrymples recent record means the club would have backed him in his opinion.

It's done we can't change it and in 2-3 years we will know the real outcome.

 

[StCicatriz]

If it's not affecting our salary cap and we have signed all our young guns to long contracts, what does it matter if he fails or becomes a star? We are in the hunt for Hurley so we obviously ain't struggling for coin and we still haven't paid 100% of our salary cap. Can someone non dogs related actually tell me how and what this deal has done that will hurt us? nobody that I speak to about it seems to have a logical answer. The kid is 20 who played probably his best game last week. How the footy world isn't giving this a rest until he's 22/23 is beyond me, really is amusing.

If you are priced out of acquiring hurley will you accept there is an issue then

 

[FallingLiefs]

Afl.com.au? Who were the people who gave those figures? Anyway, take away size and it has Hogan on top.

I know a couple of coaches at u/18 level, at the time they thought Boyd wouldn't be a great player because he doesn't have the all round game. They said he lacked agility at ground level.

I think Hogan was rated much higher than Boyd at the time

size???? I lol'd at leadership. literally the thing has the difference between Hogan and Boyd is..... leadership qualities. seems legit.

 

[Apex36]

We would never have got pick 8 for Griffen

He walked and we had no bargaining power.

Griff would have sat out a year if he had to.

Would have got a 2nd rounder at best.

Clearly the club thought Boyd was the man to put the money into and Dalrymples recent record means the club would have backed him in his opinion.

It's done we can't change it and in 2-3 years we will know the real outcome.

What a load of garbage. GWS was in the exact same position with Boyd. Both were contracted, and frankly, Boyd could afford to sit out a year far more than Griff could given their respective ages at the time. Commentators were arguing who was the better player out of Griffen and Beams at the time, and given Beams netted pick 5, 25 and a player, it's not unreasonable to think that Griffen would have commanded a first round pick. In fact, it makes sense given that GWS' priority at that point was picking up mature talent rather than taking more draftees.

I'm not here trying to argue that Boyd is a dud, because I think he will eventually come good. But from a value perspective it was an awful trade, given the Dogs have invested $1 million a year in the kid when their alternative course of action could have netted them their bookends for the next decade at less than half the cost in their salary cap.

 

[Mattdougie]

If you are priced out of acquiring hurley will you accept there is an issue then

The only way we are proved out is if someone throws a million at him a year.

Everyone forgets we are paying groffens contract still this year.

We have plenty of money for Hurley and I'm hearing possibly another

 

[Mattdougie]

What a load of garbage. GWS was in the exact same position with Boyd. Both were contracted, and frankly, Boyd could afford to sit out a year far more than Griff could given their respective ages at the time. Commentators were arguing who was the better player out of Griffen and Beams at the time, and given Beams netted pick 5, 25 and a player, it's not unreasonable to think that Griffen would have commanded a first round pick. In fact, it makes sense given that GWS' priority at that point was picking up mature talent rather than taking more draftees.

I'm not here trying to argue that Boyd is a dud, because I think he will eventually come good. But from a value perspective it was an awful trade, given the Dogs have invested $1 million a year in the kid when their alternative course of action could have netted them their bookends for the next decade at less than half the cost in their salary cap.

Mate Griffen walked!!!!!

We had no bargaining power and he stayed he would sit out if we didn't get him there.

Didn't matter what value he was worth when they walk and are prepared to sit (and Griffen would have) you have no cards at the table. His lawyer even suggested paying out his contract and going to GWS in the PSD.

 

[Apex36]

Mate Griffen walked!!!!!

We had no bargaining power and he stayed he would sit out if we didn't get him there.

Didn't matter what value he was worth when they walk and are prepared to sit (and Griffen would have) you have no cards at the table. His lawyer even suggested paying out his contract and going to GWS in the PSD.

Mate so did Boyd!!!!!

Mate, so did Beams!!!!

Mate so did Ryder!!!

Time and time again, it has been proven that clubs can still get value for good players, even if they walk out on the club. Your theory on GWS giving a second rounder at best doesn't work, especially given the AFL has to tick off any trade to ensure its deemed fair. It might make you feel better to think that way, but it's not reality.

 

[footyfan000001]

If you are priced out of acquiring hurley will you accept there is an issue then

Yes of course. If we literally got out-bidded and lost the chance to land Hurley then I would admit it. But right now, gee wizz there is a lot of negativity for no reason at all.

 

[Mattdougie]

Mate so did Boyd!!!!!

Mate, so did Beams!!!!

Mate so did Ryder!!!

Time and time again, it has been proven that clubs can still get value for good players, even if they walk out on the club. Your theory on GWS giving a second rounder at best doesn't work, especially given the AFL has to tick off any trade to ensure its deemed fair. It might make you feel better to think that way, but it's not reality.

I don't think you get it

GRIFF WOULD HAVE SAT FOR A YEAR IT WOULDNT HAVE BOTHERED HIM ONE BIT.

Forget value and trade we had zero bargaining power coz the club knew Groff would have gone hunting for a year and not given a shit.


It's doesn't make me feel better we got the ra webs of the trade no one with a brain would argue that but Griff had us over a barrel and if you knew the guy at all you would know he would have made good and sat then gone to GWS in the psd the next year IF he decided to play again. He doesn't live for footy it's not his make up

 

[StCicatriz]

Yes of course. If we literally got out-bidded and lost the chance to land Hurley then I would admit it. But right now, gee wizz there is a lot of negativity for no reason at all.

I think you will know inside 24 months from now if the trade is good or not

 

[Theo X]

He walked and we had no bargaining power.

Griff would have sat out a year if he had to.

Would have got a 2nd rounder at best.

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Please, you would easily have landed a top 10 pick for him. GWS were offering them up like candy they had so many that trade period:2 for Stevie J, 1 for Howe.

 

[Roadto2018]

I don't think you get it

GRIFF WOULD HAVE SAT FOR A YEAR IT WOULDNT HAVE BOTHERED HIM ONE BIT.

Forget value and trade we had zero bargaining power coz the club knew Groff would have gone hunting for a year and not given a shit.


It's doesn't make me feel better we got the ra webs of the trade no one with a brain would argue that but Griff had us over a barrel and if you knew the guy at all you would know he would have made good and sat then gone to GWS in the psd the next year IF he decided to play again. He doesn't live for footy it's not his make up

GWS still would've handed over a first, this is a ridiculous justification for the trade, by your comments GWS traded boyd for pick 6 and a 2nd-3rd rounder, which they'd never agree to, you would've got a first rounder for Griffen, perhaps more, just because he wanted out doesn't mean you'd get SFA for him

 

[Flandersss]

Because a punt on Peter Wright was so much more risky than a punt on Boyd, who'd shown absolutely nothing in his 1 year in the system to justify a million dollar contract, amirite?

Face the facts. You could have had Wright and Lever instead of Boyd by keeping your first pick and taking pick 8 from GWS for Griffen. I'm not sure why you think that morons would say that the draft was the answer, especially given that Dalrymple and co have pretty much nailed every first round pick they've had for the past 5 years.

Nail. Head.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Because a punt on Peter Wright was so much more risky than a punt on Boyd, who'd shown absolutely nothing in his 1 year in the system to justify a million dollar contract, amirite?

Face the facts. You could have had Wright and Lever instead of Boyd by keeping your first pick and taking pick 8 from GWS for Griffen. I'm not sure why you think that morons would say that the draft was the answer, especially given that Dalrymple and co have pretty much nailed every first round pick they've had for the past 5 years.

We were never taking Lever and Dalrymple rates him the best junior key forward he's seen. How does that suit your argument?

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Boyd was going to go to any club that paid him the most. **** me Liam Pickering said it in that article that was published this week.

Griffen threatened to retire if he didn't get to GWS that off-season.

To say the bargaining power or leverage was identical is just ludicrous and trying to distorts the facts to present a biased argument.

 

[Roadto2018]

Boyd was going to go to any club that paid him the most. **** me Liam Pickering said it in that article that was published this week.

Griffin threatened to retire if he didn't get to GWS that off-season.

To say the bargaining power or leverage was identical is just ludicrous and trying to distorts the facts to present a biased argument.

Valid points, but you still would've got a good deal for Griffen.

 

[BRWB]

We would never have got pick 8 for Griffen

He walked and we had no bargaining power.

Griff would have sat out a year if he had to.

Would have got a 2nd rounder at best.

Clearly the club thought Boyd was the man to put the money into and Dalrymples recent record means the club would have backed him in his opinion.

It's done we can't change it and in 2-3 years we will know the real outcome.

Were you right now or when you said this?

I'm hearing pick 4 and Frost is the official offer put on the table for Griffen by GWS.

And can people stop sayin we get pick 4 and 7 and then trade of our picks to nice up slightly

That's is bloody moronic, use the picks we have they are as much a chance to take off as a higher pick if they all in the top 7

 

[Mattdougie]

Were you right now or when you said this?

Completely wrong back then mate

Wasn't aware at that stage how bad the breakdown between us and Griff was and I'm not sure GWS were either.

And that's proven by the deal we signed which is nowhere near that offer.

 

[Apex36]

I don't think you get it

GRIFF WOULD HAVE SAT FOR A YEAR IT WOULDNT HAVE BOTHERED HIM ONE BIT.

Forget value and trade we had zero bargaining power coz the club knew Groff would have gone hunting for a year and not given a shit.


It's doesn't make me feel better we got the ra webs of the trade no one with a brain would argue that but Griff had us over a barrel and if you knew the guy at all you would know he would have made good and sat then gone to GWS in the psd the next year IF he decided to play again. He doesn't live for footy it's not his make up

I don't think you get it. Regardless of Griffs threats, GWS and the Bulldogs would have worked out a fair trade. It's that simple.

 

[Apex36]

We were never taking Lever and Dalrymple rates him the best junior key forward he's seen. How does that suit your argument?

You were never taking Lever? Is that so? I find it hard to believe given there was a lot of talk at the time about the dogs being very keen on him.

 

[Apex36]

Were you right now or when you said this?

I like you.